When the card was relisted this time the price was 150kr bid or 200kr buy it now. I paid the 200kr as I think the card is worth the money. I prefer to stumle on even better deals but the Asus 9950 Ultra is pretty rare so it's a bit much to hope for.

I did not see it earlier so I do not know what the asking price used to be before the card got relisted.

Ah I missed that it had been relisted with buyout.

Ah, infamous lead-free BGA problem. I have 3 8800 Ultra and none of them are working right now because of that problem. No problem with Quadro variants though, but they tend to run cooler and overclock less.

blurks wrote:

Don't get me wrong here, nVidia did some very good engineering over the last 2 decades but their products of the recent years are absolutely not comparable with a V5 5500 in terms of collectability.

GeForce FX 5800/5800 Ultra. I think right now they even more rare than V5 5500. Also prices for 7800/7900 AGP are steadily go up each year.

Skyscraper wrote:

The best Windows 9x card of all (all things considered).

Only if you limited to something like 440BX.

The Serpent Rider wrote:

Skyscraper wrote:

The best Windows 9x card of all (all things considered).

Only if you limited to something like 440BX.

Name another video card and I will tell you why it's worse than the Geforce FX5900 Ultra in Windows 9x for playing games you normally would want to play using a fast Windows 9x computer. This is a game you can not win! 😀

I hope people don't mind me asking this here.

I've got a 9800 PRO selling locally for £15, a working one.

Worth it for that money, do you think?

sketchus wrote:

I hope people don't mind me asking this here.

I've got a 9800 PRO selling locally for £15, a working one.

Worth it for that money, do you think?

That is pretty much the going rate. With no (or low) shipping cost it could be worth it if you need a fast AGP card. Be sure to test it in 3d if you buy it and return it if it shows artifacts, tested is often the same as "shows picture". I have a few with bad memory (I do not think it's the solder under the GPU).

Skyscraper wrote:

sketchus wrote:

I hope people don't mind me asking this here.

I've got a 9800 PRO selling locally for £15, a working one.

Worth it for that money, do you think?

That is pretty much the going rate. With no (or low) shipping cost it could be worth it if you need a fast AGP card. Be sure to test it in 3d if you buy it and return it if it shows artifacts, tested is often the same as "shows picture". I have a few with bad memory (I do not think it's the solder under the GPU).

Thanks, there's no postage on the card so no problem with that. I've seen a few on ebay going for 30 quid, so I thought it might be a decent deal.

I actually have a TI4200, and have just bought a Voodoo3 3000, so I just wanted this to round off the trio of cards.

sketchus wrote:

Thanks, there's no postage on the card so no problem with that. I've seen a few on ebay going for 30 quid, so I thought it might be a decent deal.

I actually have a TI4200, and have just bought a Voodoo3 3000, so I just wanted this to round off the trio of cards.

They are probably getting more expensive just as many other video cards. 😀

Skyscraper wrote:

sketchus wrote:

Thanks, there's no postage on the card so no problem with that. I've seen a few on ebay going for 30 quid, so I thought it might be a decent deal.

I actually have a TI4200, and have just bought a Voodoo3 3000, so I just wanted this to round off the trio of cards.

They are probably getting more expensive just as many other video cards. 😀

Indeed, I think I'll pick it up then. Thanks.

Skyscraper wrote:

Name another video card and I will tell you why it's worse than the Geforce FX5900 Ultra

That's doubtful сuz you need 3dfx anyway, and none of GeForce cards can do things properly.

The Serpent Rider wrote:

Skyscraper wrote:

Name another video card and I will tell you why it's worse than the Geforce FX5900 Ultra

That's doubtful сuz you need 3dfx anyway, and none of GeForce cards can do things properly.

Thats why you use Voodoo II SLI with the FX5900 Ultra. 😀

There is no card that can do everthing perfect, the FX5900 is however the most complete Direct3D card for a fast Windows 9x system. The only card that is almost as good is the FX5950 Ultra, I say almost as you have to mod the 45.23 drivers to be able to use one. Newer drives introduce some issues with compatibility with older games.

Skyscraper wrote:

Name another video card and I will tell you why it's worse than the Geforce FX5900 Ultra in Windows 9x for playing games you normally would want to play using a fast Windows 9x computer. This is a game you can not win! 😀

I'll name five:

1. FX5950 Ultra - faster, more expensive, harder to find, but a better card nevertheless.
2. Quadro FX 3000 - this is in fact a FX 5900 Ultra, but it's a lot easier to find, a lot cheaper, and has better temps. It can be flashed to a 5900 ultra, modded with rivatuner, or just used as is since there's no performance difference between the two (unless you get a hold of a gimped card). The PNY version I run in my socket A winXP rig even has slightly higher memory clocks then most 5900 ultra cards out there.
3. Radeon 9800 PRO / XT - faster, cheaper and easier to find then the 5900 Ultra. Catalyst 6.2 is also friendlier to a wider variety of games, and removes the need to constantly switch between driver versions for some games like you do for the 5900 series (example - SHOGO won't run poperly on FX series cards with 6x.xx drivers - you get GUI corruption and flickering in menus, but Black and White gets screen corruption at anything higher then 800x600 using drivers older then 61.xx)
4. Radeon X800XT AGP - Great win98 compatibility. It's the fastest win98 friendly card one can buy. It nukes the 5900 series and trades blows with the 6800 Ultra in some games. Also cheap and easy to find.
5. 6600 GT AGP - faster then the 5900 series - also cheaper, quieter and easier to find. Most AGP versions also lack the extra power connector, and can be run on potato PSUs. There are exceptions of course.

Don't get me wrong - I'm a huge fan of the FX series cards - used to own a 5200 Ultra back in the day and drooled over the 5600/5700/5900,and I have quite a few FX 5900 cars in my collection, including an MSI 5950 Ultra, but they are not the "best card for win98". Here's a couple of reasons why:

- High end FX series cards are rare, expensive, run hot and are pretty noisy.
- There are major differences between Forceware drivers in that time period. It's impossible to find a win9x Forceware driver that will reliably run every game. Some drivers are friendlier to old games, others to newer ones. Some are fast, some are slow. Some even create compatibility issues with VIA, SIS or ALi/ULi chipsets, witch other versions remedy. It's like nvidia had several different teams working on drivers - teams that did not communicate with eachother.
- FX series cards have horrid DX9 performance, so if you plan to dual-boot XP and play some newer games, this is not the card for you. A 6600GT will do a much better job - heck - a 6800 AGP might be easier to find, not to mention the x800 series witch everyone seems to be ignoring.

TheAbandonwareGuy wrote:

dexvx wrote:

I definitely think the 8800 GTX series will be "remembered". But the main issue is they were produced in mass quantities. Personally, I got a PNY 8800 GTX 768MB for $15 shipped just 2 months ago. Maybe if there is a special edition "Ultra" SKU, it would be worth a lot one day.

Uh... There is an Ultra SKU. The GeForce 8800 Ultra. Bigger cooler, faster clock, and even more heat. The cheapest I've seen one of these sell for is 40 shipped and that was a while back. They don't show up reasonably priced often. Everybody forgets the XFX version came OC'd to near ultra speeds. That being said XFX's Ultra version came overclocked past the normal Ultra speeds so I guess you could consider that you're "special SKU". I've never personally seen one. I think the top cards from the DirectX10 era in terms of desirability in the future will be the 8800 Ultra, the 9800GX2, the GTX 280, and the GTX 295. There are a few 8800 "Ultras" listed on eBay ATM but the cooler looks wrong for an Ultra (That being said there OEM so they might have just recycled the GTX/GTS cooler). The cheapest correct looking one is 90 USD and buyer pays shipping.

Yes, I meant the non-OEM Ultra SKU's. Or any custom SKU's in general. IIRC, most video cards were reference designs (with very minor changes) early on. It was only fairly recent that custom boards are being more common place. Prime example is Canopus, with their non-reference V1/V2/TNT/TNT2U holds value far more than other brand of same gpu type.

kanecvr wrote:

4. Radeon X800XT AGP - Great win98 compatibility. It's the fastest win98 friendly card one can buy. It nukes the 5900 series and trades blows with the 6800 Ultra in some games. Also cheap and easy to find.

I thought the 9xxx series was the last ATI card with Win9x drivers? I looked on amd.com and the X800 doesn't have official 9x drivers. Even if it did, I would assume the X850XT AGP would be better.

Skyscraper wrote:

The Serpent Rider wrote:

Skyscraper wrote:

Name another video card and I will tell you why it's worse than the Geforce FX5900 Ultra

That's doubtful сuz you need 3dfx anyway, and none of GeForce cards can do things properly.

Thats why you use Voodoo II SLI with the FX5900 Ultra. 😀

I like V2's as much as the next guy, but they had really crap image quality compared to Voodoo 3's. And Voodoo 4 and 5's with FSAA just blows them out of the water, IMO.

ASUS FX5950 with Arctic NV5 cooler here. Never had any problems with it. I use it regularly with my Pentium 4 machine.

Great card. Probably one of my favorites in my collection.

dexvx wrote:

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I like V2's as much as the next guy, but they had really crap image quality compared to Voodoo 3's. And Voodoo 4 and 5's with FSAA just blows them out of the water, IMO.

Sacrifices always have to be made.

For those who mostly play Glide friendly games a Voodoo 4 or 5 will always be better than anything else. I'm not one of those and can get by with the Voodoo II.

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Skyscraper wrote:

Name another video card and I will tell you why it's worse than the Geforce FX5900 Ultra in Windows 9x for playing games you normally would want to play using a fast Windows 9x computer. This is a game you can not win! 😀

I'll name five:

1. FX5950 Ultra - faster, more expensive, harder to find, but a better card nevertheless.
2. Quadro FX 3000 - this is in fact a FX 5900 Ultra, but it's a lot easier to find, a lot cheaper, and has better temps. It can be flashed to a 5900 ultra, modded with rivatuner, or just used as is since there's no performance difference between the two (unless you get a hold of a gimped card). The PNY version I run in my socket A winXP rig even has slightly higher memory clocks then most 5900 ultra cards out there.
3. Radeon 9800 PRO / XT - faster, cheaper and easier to find then the 5900 Ultra. Catalyst 6.2 is also friendlier to a wider variety of games, and removes the need to constantly switch between driver versions for some games like you do for the 5900 series (example - SHOGO won't run poperly on FX series cards with 6x.xx drivers - you get GUI corruption and flickering in menus, but Black and White gets screen corruption at anything higher then 800x600 using drivers older then 61.xx)
4. Radeon X800XT AGP - Great win98 compatibility. It's the fastest win98 friendly card one can buy. It nukes the 5900 series and trades blows with the 6800 Ultra in some games. Also cheap and easy to find.
5. 6600 GT AGP - faster then the 5900 series - also cheaper, quieter and easier to find. Most AGP versions also lack the extra power connector, and can be run on potato PSUs. There are exceptions of course.

Don't get me wrong - I'm a huge fan of the FX series cards - used to own a 5200 Ultra back in the day and drooled over the 5600/5700/5900,and I have quite a few FX 5900 cars in my collection, including an MSI 5950 Ultra, but they are not the "best card for win98". Here's a couple of reasons why:

- High end FX series cards are rare, expensive, run hot and are pretty noisy.
- There are major differences between Forceware drivers in that time period. It's impossible to find a win9x Forceware driver that will reliably run every game. Some drivers are friendlier to old games, others to newer ones. Some are fast, some are slow. Some even create compatibility issues with VIA, SIS or ALi/ULi chipsets, witch other versions remedy. It's like nvidia had several different teams working on drivers - teams that did not communicate with eachother.
- FX series cards have horrid DX9 performance, so if you plan to dual-boot XP and play some newer games, this is not the card for you. A 6600GT will do a much better job - heck - a 6800 AGP might be easier to find, not to mention the x800 series witch everyone seems to be ignoring.

Faster is not always better but yes if you are dual booting with Windows XP to play early DirectX 9 games then you need something faster like the Geforce 6 series. This does not make the card "better" at running older DX6 - DX8 games in Windows 9x though.

Saying that other FX series cards (or their Quadro brothers) are better than the Asus V9950 Ultra 256M is not really true from my point of view. For me beeing able to run the 45.23 driver is kind of important as it's the one I found the best. The peformance difference at stock when going from a FX5900 Ultra to a FX5950 Ultra (I have compared them in the same fast 9x system) is slim and Asus used very overclockable memory on their V9950 Ultra so the differnece in overclocked speed is also slim. The Asus V9950 Ultra stock cooler sucks though and needs to be replaced.

My experience with ATI cards in Windows 9x isn't as great as yours but perhaps they can be just as good or better depending on the driver. I usally go with Nvidia + Voodoo II in Windows 9x so I can't say I really know for sure. One of the reasons for me going with Nvidia over ATI with Win 9x systems is that the Nvidia cards (in my experience) handles overclocked AGP bus better. Perhaps I need to test ATI cards in Win 9x again to see if I'm missing out.

On topic.

I bought some Rambus memory as I can't find my box filled with Rambus memory. 😁 I'm messing with an i850 system and the 768MB the motherboard came with is not really enough for XP.

Bought a Logitech Wingman Formula Force steering wheel, the old red one with the belt-driven FFB. From my research the best wheel with Win9x drivers. Can't wait to test it in NFS 2 SE, but it came without a power brick for the FFB... It requires 20V 1.5A DC. The only power bricks with specs like that I can find are for laptops and have a "smart" center pin, I wonder if it's possible to adapt one of those to work with it?

Well.... I promised some pictures of the stuff that I bought. The C64 has not arived yet, so I will only post 5 pictures of the AT case that I got for 15 US Dollars.... It is going to be my P-166 machine from now on, as the PSU is clean and the voltage ratings are really stable. The P166 system are going to be build from parts on this list:

- Shuttle HOT555-A motherboard.
- Pentium-166 ceramic, non-mmx.
- 32mb Ram.
- Number9 S3-Virge325 2mb PCI
- Orchid Righteous Voodoo1 (because the S3 has an awesomme/extreme signal quality)
- AWE64 Gold.

Now for the pictures... It is a wonderfull case that I got. Simply love it.

Some K6 lottery 😁 Finally! K6 project is going slow.
Date code 0328 😁 Thats 2003 week 28. 400Mhz 1.6V k6 3+

TheAbandonwareGuy wrote:

ASUS FX5950 with Arctic NV5 cooler here. Never had any problems with it. I use it regularly with my Pentium 4 machine.

Great card. Probably one of my favorites in my collection.

Yup. Love my MSI 5950 Ultra as well. I'm not using it tough since it tends to get pretty hot and these cards have a tendency to die due to thermal stress. I have a couple of Quadro FX 3000 cards (FX 5900 Ultra) and I use those. If they die, they can be easily replaced.

I keep the 5950 Ultra in a display case, and occasionally take it out to mess around with it and for benchmarks.

Skyscraper wrote:

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Faster is not always better but yes if you are dual booting with Windows XP to play early DirectX 9 games then you need something faster like the Geforce 6 series. This does not make the card "better" at running older DX6 - DX8 games in Windows 9x though.

Saying that other FX series cards (or their Quadro brothers) are better than the Asus V9950 Ultra 256M is not really true from my point of view. For me beeing able to run the 45.23 driver is kind of important as it's the one I found the best. The peformance difference at stock when going from a FX5900 Ultra to a FX5950 Ultra (I have compared them in the same fast 9x system) is slim and Asus used very overclockable memory on their V9950 Ultra so the differnece in overclocked speed is also slim. The Asus V9950 Ultra stock cooler sucks though and needs to be replaced.

My experience with ATI cards in Windows 9x isn't as great as yours but perhaps they can be just as good or better depending on the driver. I usally go with Nvidia + Voodoo II in Windows 9x so I can't say I really know for sure. One of the reasons for me going with Nvidia over ATI with Win 9x systems is that the Nvidia cards (in my experience) handles overclocked AGP bus better. Perhaps I need to test ATI cards in Win 9x again to see if I'm missing out.

On topic.

I bought some Rambus memory as I can't find my box filled with Rambus memory. 😁 I'm messing with an i850 system and the 768MB the motherboard came with is not really enough for XP.

Ah, you were referring to that particular model. Well, I still don't agree it's the best w98 card, since I've had countless driver issues with FX series cards (like I said, one driver version works with some games, another works with others), and since switching to a Radeon 9800 PRO those went away (Catalyst 6.2), but I do agree that the V9950 is a great card.

I fancy the FX series myself - there's something about them I can't really put my finger on. Maybe because it's because I owned a 5200 Ultra back in the day.

Skalabala wrote:

Some K6 lottery 😁 Finally! K6 project is going slow.
Date code 0328 😁 Thats 2003 week 28. 400Mhz 1.6V k6 3+

You sure about the datecode? I don't remember the K-6 III being produced in 2003.