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Reply 20460 of 44713, by FesterBlatz

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Got this Cyrix 5x86 with x4 clock multiplier on eBay for $57 USD a few weeks ago, and it finally showed up yesterday. I've been wanting the 4x variant for quite a while, so I wasn't concerned about spending so much for it. The pins ended up being fairly straight and only needed a little nudging with a credit card to get them perfect again. I still need to test it, I just stuck it in a random Socket 3 motherboard to verify the pins and take a picture.

I'm intending to use this at 4x 33MHz in a SMT 4321-22B "Terminator" PCI motherboard, assuming it's stable at that speed.

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Reply 20461 of 44713, by debs3759

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Don't all 5x86 have default x4 multiplier?

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Reply 20462 of 44713, by Jade Falcon

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Hmmm I dont think so. They are looking intact however. If anybody is interested let me know... I will test the 2 Mainboards (Soc […]
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That's only a minor problem assuming they weren't damaged from the coolers being roughly removed. Are any of them interesting?

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Also other intersting parts in the box. Unfortunately he removed all coolers from the graphics cards, therefore useless 😵

Hmmm I dont think so. They are looking intact however. If anybody is interested let me know...
I will test the 2 Mainboards (Socket 7 + 462).

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Reply 20464 of 44713, by FesterBlatz

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The motherboards both appear to be missing the BIOS EEPROMs unfortunately.

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Hmmm I dont think so. They are looking intact however. If anybody is interested let me know...
I will test the 2 Mainboards (Socket 7 + 462).

Reply 20465 of 44713, by brostenen

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Basically speaking. The 5x86-100gp x4 is running at 133mhz. Making it somewhat identical to a Cyrix 5x86-133 model??

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Reply 20466 of 44713, by FesterBlatz

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That's certainly my plan! Whether or not it'll work reliably at that speed remains to be seen.

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Basically speaking. The 5x86-100gp x4 is running at 133mhz. Making it somewhat identical to a Cyrix 5x86-133 model??

Reply 20467 of 44713, by meljor

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FesterBlatz wrote:

That's certainly my plan! Whether or not it'll work reliably at that speed remains to be seen.

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Basically speaking. The 5x86-100gp x4 is running at 133mhz. Making it somewhat identical to a Cyrix 5x86-133 model??

It is supposed to run at 4x25mhz. Overclocked it will be running at 133mhz, not stock. With a bit of good cooling/little voltage it should work fine at 133mhz.

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Reply 20469 of 44713, by yawetaG

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Also picked up this fairly beaten up Yamaha Special XG CD-ROM (although I hope the actual CD-ROM is in a better condition than the case...):

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These kind of CD-ROMs usually were included with later versions of Yamaha MIDI modules or keyboards, and include upgrades not included in the original release. This one should contain MIDI files specially developed for XG modules, pictures of some Yamaha-sponsored artist, and some Mac and PC software.

Received this bugger, and it seems I struck gold, as it's likely the CD-ROM that was included with Yamaha's OPL-4 Sound Edge sound card. Which means it includes the drivers and utilities for that (rare) sound card, including Voyetra Audio Station and an utility to convert Roland GS MIDI files to General MIDI files. Besides that, it has the Yamaha CBX-T3 driver for Windows 3.1, beta drivers for Windows 95 and NT, demos of Visual Arranger and Score Reader, MacOS classic drivers, 6 HyperGroove demo MIDI files, 10 Yamaha demo XG MIDI songs from various artists, and some low resolution images of this Daisuke Asakura Live album.

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Reply 20470 of 44713, by cyclone3d

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Also picked up this fairly beaten up Yamaha Special XG CD-ROM (although I hope the actual CD-ROM is in a better condition than the case...):

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These kind of CD-ROMs usually were included with later versions of Yamaha MIDI modules or keyboards, and include upgrades not included in the original release. This one should contain MIDI files specially developed for XG modules, pictures of some Yamaha-sponsored artist, and some Mac and PC software.

Received this bugger, and it seems I struck gold, as it's likely the CD-ROM that was included with Yamaha's OPL-4 Sound Edge sound card. Which means it includes the drivers and utilities for that (rare) sound card, including Voyetra Audio Station and an utility to convert Roland GS MIDI files to General MIDI files. Besides that, it has the Yamaha CBX-T3 driver for Windows 3.1, beta drivers for Windows 95 and NT, demos of Visual Arranger and Score Reader, MacOS classic drivers, 6 HyperGroove demo MIDI files, 10 Yamaha demo XG MIDI songs from various artists, and some low resolution images of this Daisuke Asakura Live album.

I would be very interested in an ISO of that CD. Would also be great if it could be uploaded to vogonsdrivers.

Now for what I have on the way.
A Cardinal Technologies MPC700/DSP16 sound card. Kinda rare and usually overpriced because of that. One of the sellers that had one listed for months and months finally discounted it 50% so I picked it up.
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Reply 20471 of 44713, by oeuvre

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A Matrox G550 32MB PCI video card for less than $10 shipped. Also picked up an LFH-60 dual VGA adapter for it as well.

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Reply 20472 of 44713, by JidaiGeki

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cyclone3d wrote:
I would be very interested in an ISO of that CD. Would also be great if it could be uploaded to vogonsdrivers. […]
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yawetaG wrote:

Also picked up this fairly beaten up Yamaha Special XG CD-ROM (although I hope the actual CD-ROM is in a better condition than the case...):

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These kind of CD-ROMs usually were included with later versions of Yamaha MIDI modules or keyboards, and include upgrades not included in the original release. This one should contain MIDI files specially developed for XG modules, pictures of some Yamaha-sponsored artist, and some Mac and PC software.

Received this bugger, and it seems I struck gold, as it's likely the CD-ROM that was included with Yamaha's OPL-4 Sound Edge sound card. Which means it includes the drivers and utilities for that (rare) sound card, including Voyetra Audio Station and an utility to convert Roland GS MIDI files to General MIDI files. Besides that, it has the Yamaha CBX-T3 driver for Windows 3.1, beta drivers for Windows 95 and NT, demos of Visual Arranger and Score Reader, MacOS classic drivers, 6 HyperGroove demo MIDI files, 10 Yamaha demo XG MIDI songs from various artists, and some low resolution images of this Daisuke Asakura Live album.

I would be very interested in an ISO of that CD. Would also be great if it could be uploaded to vogonsdrivers.

Now for what I have on the way.
A Cardinal Technologies MPC700/DSP16 sound card. Kinda rare and usually overpriced because of that. One of the sellers that had one listed for months and months finally discounted it 50% so I picked it up.
Sellers pic:

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Ahhh I've had my eye on that for ages! It is the MPC700, but it's missing the wavetable upgrade socket that mine has (so I guess that was what the Plus was all about). Haven't really had the cash to splash on a backup, but it's a nice buy 😀 Some time ago I posted in another thread with a pic of mine:

Re: List of rarest PC soundcards

Also, if you look in System Specs, my 386 build has an Adaptec sound card in it which has the same controller on it as these Cardinal cards - and it's a full SCSI controller, rather than just being limited to CD-ROMs.

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Reply 20473 of 44713, by xjas

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^^ What's special about the MPC700? Analog Devices chipsets were used on a ton of cards, and there were other sound cards with SCSI too. Is it just desirable because it's rare or does it offer something unique?

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Reply 20474 of 44713, by JidaiGeki

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xjas wrote:

^^ What's special about the MPC700? Analog Devices chipsets were used on a ton of cards, and there were other sound cards with SCSI too. Is it just desirable because it's rare or does it offer something unique?

I thought it was kind of rare as it's not a card that gets talked about at all, unlike Creative/Adlib/Aureal cards, but don't know how special it is. If you search for info about the cards, you find that the owners back in the day complained about rubbish drivers and poor support from Cardinal, so I doubt it got much love or sold in large numbers.

Reply 20475 of 44713, by appiah4

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A Matrox G550 32MB PCI video card for less than $10 shipped. Also picked up an LFH-60 dual VGA adapter for it as well.

For the GX1? Good call, I considered a G450 for a while before ending up using a Radeon 9250 myself.

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Reply 20476 of 44713, by cyclone3d

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xjas wrote:

^^ What's special about the MPC700? Analog Devices chipsets were used on a ton of cards, and there were other sound cards with SCSI too. Is it just desirable because it's rare or does it offer something unique?

It has a AD ECHO DSP on it. Was supposedly going to get different upgrades, etc. through software but Cardinal basically ditched it.

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Reply 20477 of 44713, by oeuvre

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appiah4 wrote:
oeuvre wrote:

A Matrox G550 32MB PCI video card for less than $10 shipped. Also picked up an LFH-60 dual VGA adapter for it as well.

For the GX1? Good call, I considered a G450 for a while before ending up using a Radeon 9250 myself.

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Reply 20478 of 44713, by cyclone3d

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JidaiGeki wrote:

Also, if you look in System Specs, my 386 build has an Adaptec sound card in it which has the same controller on it as these Cardinal cards - and it's a full SCSI controller, rather than just being limited to CD-ROMs.

What drivers are you using for your Adaptec card? The only thing I could find was a DOS install utility on Adaptec's site.

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Reply 20479 of 44713, by yawetaG

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cyclone3d wrote:
yawetaG wrote:
yawetaG wrote:

Also picked up this fairly beaten up Yamaha Special XG CD-ROM (although I hope the actual CD-ROM is in a better condition than the case...):

The attachment yamaha special cdrom 1.jpg is no longer available

These kind of CD-ROMs usually were included with later versions of Yamaha MIDI modules or keyboards, and include upgrades not included in the original release. This one should contain MIDI files specially developed for XG modules, pictures of some Yamaha-sponsored artist, and some Mac and PC software.

Received this bugger, and it seems I struck gold, as it's likely the CD-ROM that was included with Yamaha's OPL-4 Sound Edge sound card. Which means it includes the drivers and utilities for that (rare) sound card, including Voyetra Audio Station and an utility to convert Roland GS MIDI files to General MIDI files. Besides that, it has the Yamaha CBX-T3 driver for Windows 3.1, beta drivers for Windows 95 and NT, demos of Visual Arranger and Score Reader, MacOS classic drivers, 6 HyperGroove demo MIDI files, 10 Yamaha demo XG MIDI songs from various artists, and some low resolution images of this Daisuke Asakura Live album.

I would be very interested in an ISO of that CD. Would also be great if it could be uploaded to vogonsdrivers.

Guess it's time to actually get an account for the Internet Archive's CD-ROM repository...

The only thing to keep in mind about the Yamaha CD-ROM is that it was made for the Japanese market, so most of the programs and documentation are in Japanese - but not the Sound Edge utilities (checked those; they only suffer from an installer that tries to install them to the CD-ROM itself 🤣 ).

Other stuff received yesterday:

Japanese Singer Songwriter 4.0, released in 1998 for a whopping 38,000 yen:

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The box is pretty much mint. Manuals:

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Unfortunately, these show the software is almost entirely in Japanese, except curiously for a large part of the dialog boxes (IIRC, the way certain Windows 3.1/95 programming toolkits worked back in the day, changing menu text was easier than dialog box text). Singer Songwriter did have a English-language release way back at version 1.0, so I guess they kept the option for an English version open in later versions...
The manuals themselves are exemplary:
- quick start guide that is actually useful, as it explains all of the basics.
- advanced guide
- reference manual
- music theory book (I'd love to see an English version of this, it just looks so good...)
- hardware set-up guide that explains how to hook up your PC with a variety of popular desktop audio production set-ups. Based on this one I suspect the program has support for a crapton of then-popular MIDI modules.

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The Hypergroove hybrid CD-ROM contains MIDI samples and loops, and also audio tracks. The actual software CD has Korg's, Yamaha's, and Roland's MIDI drivers for Windows, Karaoke Station, Roland VSC-55 and VSC-88M software MIDI players, Yamaha S-YG20 (Win95 version) and S-YXG50 software MIDI players, Yamaha XG tools, VL Editor, XG-to-sysex converter, XG-viewer, some tool called XG checker, MIDI plug-ins for Internet Explorer and Netscape Navigator, and a offline copy of the then-website of Yamaha(!), and then there's Singer Songwriter 4.0 of course, with samples, MIDI files, sysex support for a variety of modules, etc.

Also, gotta love the name of the maker of Singer Songwriter: INTERNET. 😘