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Re: Bought these (retro) hardware today

Postby dionb » 2018-2-09 @ 22:18

I always wonder exactly what use case Asus had in mind with those cards and that whole concept. The only time it would make sense to buy one (when they were new) was if you were intending to use so many cards that both your PCI and ISA slots would all be full. In that case a two-in-one card would make sense - but someone with that many cards was spending a lot of money and would probably want something less low-end than a Mach64 and a Vibra 16...
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Re: Bought these (retro) hardware today

Postby Ozzuneoj » 2018-2-10 @ 05:05

Cyrix200+ wrote:Found this (semi-)local. Could not resist, since I have the matching motherboard :)

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Wow, those must be rare.

I could never understand how it made any business sense for a company to spend time and money on proprietary add-on interfaces that had no hope of catching on. Like the AMR\CMR slots and AGP Pro.
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Re: Bought these (retro) hardware today

Postby OldCat » 2018-2-10 @ 05:25

kaputnik wrote:
brostenen wrote:
kaputnik wrote:if I covered shipping and added a symbolic sum to that.


So typically scandinavian.... :-D Usually it is two bottle's of redwine or 3 bottles of cola or something here in DK.
Great haul by the way. :-P


Haha, it was actually discussed in terms of money for enough beer to make it worth the trouble :D

But typically Scandinavian? Don't people do this kind of deals all over the world?

Thanks :)


Yes they do. At least in Poland. Bottle of stronger alcohol or six pack of beer for a favour or a bunch of things that are useless to the other person. I was given Amstrad 6128 with GT65 monochrome monitor and paid back with four bottles of wine, as the colleague from work would not accept money, but I know he likes wine.
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Re: Bought these (retro) hardware today

Postby debs3759 » 2018-2-10 @ 07:28

I trade just about anything. I'm hopeless at valuing things, but if I get something I want in exchange for something I either no longer want or I have spares of, I'm happy :)
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Re: Bought these (retro) hardware today

Postby ODwilly » 2018-2-10 @ 07:29

Shipping out some retro parts tomorrow and picking up more! (because of course I get rid of stuff and end up finding more stuff to rescue from the recycle)
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Re: Bought these (retro) hardware today

Postby Cyrix200+ » 2018-2-10 @ 07:32

Ozzuneoj wrote:
Cyrix200+ wrote:Found this (semi-)local. Could not resist, since I have the matching motherboard :)
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Wow, those must be rare.

I could never understand how it made any business sense for a company to spend time and money on proprietary add-on interfaces that had no hope of catching on. Like the AMR\CMR slots and AGP Pro.


I had never seen a card in the wild. The motherboards are more common. There a even two different revisions of the Asus Mediabus. The Wikipedia article on it is surprisingly complete and long: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asus_Media_Bus

I haven't tested it yet, but plan to build a system around this. Not sure on the CPU yet. Need to check what CPU's the motherboard supports. Maybe a K6 or Cyrix/IBM/ST PR200? :)
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Re: Bought these (retro) hardware today

Postby dionb » 2018-2-10 @ 09:10

Ozzuneoj wrote:I could never understand how it made any business sense for a company to spend time and money on proprietary add-on interfaces that had no hope of catching on. Like the AMR\CMR slots and AGP Pro.

Fully agreed on proprietary interfaces, but none of those you mention are proprietary. AGP Pro was an extension to the AGP standard to deliver more power to the card than a regular AGP slot. Not relevant for consumer cards in those days, but some of the big 3DLabs or HP monsters really needed it. Before AGP Pro they frequently used AGP + a PCI slot, the latter purely for power supply. Volumes weren't high, but the standard made sense in its niche and was used.

The exact opposite was true of the AMR/CNR/ACR. They were for extremely high volume applications where a couple of cents per unit could make a difference, and wasting the cost of a full PCI slot and PCI card for something that didn't need 2/3 of the PCB or for that matter electronics of a PCI card was pointless. Don't forget enthousiasts self-building PCs have always been a small minority. For every one self-built PC there are 100 Packard Bells, Compaqs and Dells & co sold. In 1999-2002 every computer was sold with a modem, and all mainstream chipsets supported AC'97. The reason for a riser card in the first place and not just integrating on motherboard was FCC regulations - devices with analog communication components needed expensive and - worse - time consuming FCC certification before use. Having them on a separate card meant you only needed to certify that card and not the rest, reducing cost overhead and time to market.
Altogether there were probably more AMR and CNR modems (primarily manufactured by Askey and Aztech) shipped than all ISA and PCI modems added together - which is why you keep bumping into them in thrift shops these days.

The only inexplicable bit was how Intel completely missed Ethernet in their original AMR standard but then corrected it with the not backwards compatible CNR standard a year later. Because that left vendors with unusable AMR stock pretty much everyone else decided on ACR, which was backwards-compatible with AMR and offered CNR functionally. Oh, and used a regular PCI slot mounted backwards, which negated the cost advantage on the motherboard. It was a silly time and mainly Intel's fault. Nonetheless, the only reason AMR/CNR/ACR disappeared is because analog modems disappeared, not because of any inherent issues with the slots themselves.
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Re: Bought these (retro) hardware today

Postby Radical Vision » 2018-2-10 @ 11:20

New Voodoo 2000 in factory condition, as is hard these days to find them in that good state, and not broken (at least for about not much money).
Only 10 euro (shipping included) otherwise the card itself costed me 7.50 euro...

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Cyrix200+ wrote:Found this (semi-)local. Could not resist, since I have the matching motherboard :)

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Damn ATi card, i collect all of them, never did see one of these, and ASUS one...
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Re: Bought these (retro) hardware today

Postby yawetaG » 2018-2-10 @ 15:13

dionb wrote:I always wonder exactly what use case Asus had in mind with those cards and that whole concept. The only time it would make sense to buy one (when they were new) was if you were intending to use so many cards that both your PCI and ISA slots would all be full. In that case a two-in-one card would make sense - but someone with that many cards was spending a lot of money and would probably want something less low-end than a Mach64 and a Vibra 16...


For the SCSI card variants, they allow you to boot from a SCSI hard disk even if IDE drives are present. Usually IDE drives take precedence over SCSI drives, and you can't boot from a SCSI drive even if your SCSI controller has a boot ROM when a IDE drive is present.
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Re: Bought these (retro) hardware today

Postby dionb » 2018-2-10 @ 20:43

Thrift shop haul today...

Still have to do definitive identification & pics, but:
- Seagate HDD type 1 with IBM front plate.
- Diamond Viper V770
- Diamond Stealth 2500
- Nexgen NX586 CPU

Too bad I don't have an MFM controller or Nexgen motherboard...
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Re: Bought these (retro) hardware today

Postby elod » 2018-2-10 @ 21:29

yawetaG wrote:For the SCSI card variants, they allow you to boot from a SCSI hard disk even if IDE drives are present. Usually IDE drives take precedence over SCSI drives, and you can't boot from a SCSI drive even if your SCSI controller has a boot ROM when a IDE drive is present.

I don't think it's because of the mediabus. Even cheap socket 7 mobos had the SCSI boot option in their BIOS and would work with IDE.
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Re: Bought these (retro) hardware today

Postby xjas » 2018-2-11 @ 00:04

dionb wrote:Thrift shop haul today...

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- Nexgen NX586 CPU


How the hell does this just show up in a thrift shop?! Was it just lying on a shelf or boxed or what?
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Re: Bought these (retro) hardware today

Postby xjas » 2018-2-11 @ 00:12

Incidentally after complaining that my supply of cool stuff had dried up, I managed to score this:

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HP Model 110 Portable. 5.33MHz 8086, 256kB RAM, DOS, Lotus 123 & other software in ROM. REALLY nice shape too.

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The computer & floppy drive BOTH have battery packs still installed. Unfortunately I didn't get the power cables (2-prong square connector, probably 110VAC but not sure yet) or the proprietary HP-IL serial cable that connects them up.

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Ton of original docs also included. All of this is in excellent condition aside from a tiny bit of "old book smell."
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Re: Bought these (retro) hardware today

Postby xjas » 2018-2-11 @ 00:15

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Oldschool HP docs. Unbelievably comprehensive.

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It came with a schematic of the main ROM menu drawn on a beer mat. :P

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Even got the original carry bag. Was a bit dusty but cleaned up really well.
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Re: Bought these (retro) hardware today

Postby XTac » 2018-2-11 @ 00:32

Managed to grab these two processors for a symbollic price. Sadly, I have no motherboard to test them with. The pins look good though,so perhaps they would work.

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Re: Bought these (retro) hardware today

Postby Shagittarius » 2018-2-11 @ 00:36

xjas wrote:Incidentally after complaining that my supply of cool stuff had dried up, I managed to score this:

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HP Model 110 Portable. 5.33MHz 8086, 256kB RAM, DOS, Lotus 123 & other software in ROM. REALLY nice shape too.


Nice Yam!
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Re: Bought these (retro) hardware today

Postby xjas » 2018-2-11 @ 01:14

Shagittarius wrote:
Nice Yam!


I'm letting that one sprout so that I can plant them again this year. :)
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Re: Bought these (retro) hardware today

Postby dionb » 2018-2-11 @ 01:49

xjas wrote:
dionb wrote:Thrift shop haul today...

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- Nexgen NX586 CPU


How the hell does this just show up in a thrift shop?! Was it just lying on a shelf or boxed or what?

Because they have no idea what they are selling. They might have had the motherboard too but probably dumped it. The only person there with any clue was an autistic kid who wanted tips how to make his Intel AL440LX system more authentic. Three weeks ago I tried to explain why he should try to sell the Seagate/IBM HDD online. He said he tried but no one was interested. No idea what he did but I couldn't find it. So no surprise he didn't know what the NX586 was or what he could do with it.

It was physically in a box of CPUs considered unsaleable, next to an Intel 486DX (33 I believe) and an AMD 486DX2-66. Somewhat dusty, but old dust - had been pulled from a system that had worked for some time. A few pins were slightly bent, but generally condition was good. No idea as to the ESD status though...

This time I was only looking for a PS/2 bracket (which he didn't have) but when I saw he still hadn't sold the type 1 HDD I asked what else he had. Then the NX586 turned up...

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- DB15 -> DIN MIDI cable (longer than the one I already had)
- Sitecom CN-014 USB 2.0 PCI card w NEC chipset
- Sony/NEC AD-5170A PATA DVD-RW drive
- NexGen NX586 CPU P100 (CPC-202 big silver heat spreader) with original glued-on HSF
- Diamond Stealth Video 2500 (Alliance ProMotion T24)
- Artec AM-22 (crap) serial mouse
- Matsushita FM01720B4 360kB DS/DD FDD
- 3Com 3C905CX-TXM 10/100Mb Ethernet
- Diamond Viper V770 (TNT2 Ultra AGP)
- Seagate ST-412 HDD (MFM, type 1), with original IBM XT front plate

But today just got (even) better - just got word that I won an auction for a Microsoft Trackball Explorer for a very low sum. Not entirely retro as I use one actively on my regular quad core i7 desktop (and have a second for spares), but given age and unobtainability worth bragging about here. Given the proceeds will go to a cancer charity (it's from someone's legacy) I'll double the selling price, but even then it's still far below regular prices.
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Re: Bought these (retro) hardware today

Postby dirkmirk » 2018-2-11 @ 06:45

I have the same media bus card with the ATI chipset, I kinda want to use it in my Pentium pro but the 2meg maximum video ram is off putting.
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Re: Bought these (retro) hardware today

Postby yawetaG » 2018-2-11 @ 10:06

elod wrote:
yawetaG wrote:For the SCSI card variants, they allow you to boot from a SCSI hard disk even if IDE drives are present. Usually IDE drives take precedence over SCSI drives, and you can't boot from a SCSI drive even if your SCSI controller has a boot ROM when a IDE drive is present.

I don't think it's because of the mediabus. Even cheap socket 7 mobos had the SCSI boot option in their BIOS and would work with IDE.


Yeah, but they need a special Asus-made SCSI card to be able to use the option, AFAIK (the boards have a integrated SCSI BIOS boot ROM, and the Asus card is just a dumb expansion card that won't work on non-Asus boards...).
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