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Bought these (retro) hardware today

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Reply 35740 of 36638, by chrismeyer6

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dionb wrote on 2020-09-02, 06:35:
imi wrote on 2020-09-02, 00:11:

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nice nice :3

free shipping from japan? tell me more :p

Just a regular eBay auction for about the regular JP prices for these things. But instead of the usual (and understandable) costs to get stuff from the other side of the world, it said free shipping. Did a double-take, checked that country was correctly listed and it was still free. So bought it on Wednesday, with estimated delivery on September 23rd. Then on Sunday I got a message from FedEx that they were going to deliver the next day at my home address. Which was a problem as I hadn't exactly counted on it being so fast and I was still four countries away at the time traveling by train, so redirected to my work address, where it arrived yesterday about the same time I did.

That was seriously quick courier service. No idea who paid for it, but it certainly wasn't me 😜

Wow! That's some seriously fast shipping and it was free too that's a good seller.

Reply 35741 of 36638, by yawetaG

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dionb wrote on 2020-09-02, 06:35:
imi wrote on 2020-09-02, 00:11:

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nice nice :3

free shipping from japan? tell me more :p

Just a regular eBay auction for about the regular JP prices for these things. But instead of the usual (and understandable) costs to get stuff from the other side of the world, it said free shipping. Did a double-take, checked that country was correctly listed and it was still free. So bought it on Wednesday, with estimated delivery on September 23rd. Then on Sunday I got a message from FedEx that they were going to deliver the next day at my home address. Which was a problem as I hadn't exactly counted on it being so fast and I was still four countries away at the time traveling by train, so redirected to my work address, where it arrived yesterday about the same time I did.

That was seriously quick courier service. No idea who paid for it, but it certainly wasn't me 😜

And in about two weeks time you'll receive a letter from Fedex for the import taxes (which thankfully do not include the crazy handling costs the Dutch Postal Services add).

Reply 35742 of 36638, by dionb

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yawetaG wrote on 2020-09-02, 16:14:

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And in about two weeks time you'll receive a letter from Fedex for the import taxes (which thankfully do not include the crazy handling costs the Dutch Postal Services add).

Ah, was also surprised about lack of that. We'll see...

Reply 35743 of 36638, by HanJammer

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Got this from a friend. He bought it brand new. Not really vintage yet, but still interesting (at least to me - I never had anything with RDRAM). And this desktop ATX case from Enlight <3

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Reply 35745 of 36638, by utahraptor

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I bought my first two retro parts today for my first build.

A socket 7 motherboard (Tyan ATX Trinity 1592s) and an ALS100 sound card.

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Reply 35746 of 36638, by appiah4

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Great choices. That motherboard can probably do up to K6-III+, and that sound card has an undocumented OPL3 clone on it. It also seems to be one of the rare and higher quality ALS100 cards out there. Enjoy!

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Reply 35747 of 36638, by HanJammer

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imi wrote on 2020-09-02, 21:48:

is your friend called HanJammer and posted this here a week ago? x3

I do really like that case though

Oh, I couldn't find the post and thought I only wanted to post it and I didn't... I guess I need to take some pills to improve my memory 🤣

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Reply 35748 of 36638, by debs3759

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HanJammer wrote on 2020-09-02, 21:31:

Got this from a friend. He bought it brand new. Not really vintage yet, but still interesting (at least to me - I never had anything with RDRAM). And this desktop ATX case from Enlight <3

I think of everything older than 64-bit as vintage, so socket 478 Northwood is vintage in my eyes 😀

Reply 35749 of 36638, by SpectriaForce

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After the fool on ebay who had sent me a rare Dell 386 pc with the hard disk loose in the enclosure previous month (which had destroyed the VROM on the motherboard and damaged a sound card, a total write off), luckily today something which really makes me smile 😀

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All new old stock. These are not for sale, but stay in the private collection (hint: new Celerons on the background are, but not on this forum).

(Pro tip: the P4 Titan motherboard only has Sanyo and Rubycon capacitors. I had not expected such quality level from Gigabyte.)

I sell 'ridiculously expensive' retro hardware to people like you. I feel sorry for that.

Reply 35750 of 36638, by r00lz

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Today I saved from trash Industrial PC for specialised Aradex branded CNC machine.
4U Rack case, single board PC, ethernet card with netware logo, specialized I/O board for CNC. Pentium MMX 233MHz, 128MB RAM, 40GB HDD, DOS 6.22, board BIOS dated 2003 10 17

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Reply 35752 of 36638, by darry

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r00lz wrote on 2020-09-03, 16:25:
Today I saved from trash Industrial PC for specialised Aradex branded CNC machine. 4U Rack case, single board PC, ethernet card […]
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Today I saved from trash Industrial PC for specialised Aradex branded CNC machine.
4U Rack case, single board PC, ethernet card with netware logo, specialized I/O board for CNC. Pentium MMX 233MHz, 128MB RAM, 40GB HDD, DOS 6.22, board BIOS dated 2003 10 17
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How did they manage to get DOS 6.22 to handle a 40GB drive ? Did they only use 8GB of it ?

Reply 35753 of 36638, by r00lz

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darry wrote on 2020-09-03, 17:25:
r00lz wrote on 2020-09-03, 16:25:
Today I saved from trash Industrial PC for specialised Aradex branded CNC machine. 4U Rack case, single board PC, ethernet card […]
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Today I saved from trash Industrial PC for specialised Aradex branded CNC machine.
4U Rack case, single board PC, ethernet card with netware logo, specialized I/O board for CNC. Pentium MMX 233MHz, 128MB RAM, 40GB HDD, DOS 6.22, board BIOS dated 2003 10 17
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How did they manage to get DOS 6.22 to handle a 40GB drive ? Did they only use 8GB of it ?

It's just 4x 2GB FAT16 Partitions, everything else unallocated space.

Reply 35754 of 36638, by darry

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yawetaG wrote on 2020-09-02, 16:14:
dionb wrote on 2020-09-02, 06:35:
imi wrote on 2020-09-02, 00:11:

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nice nice :3

free shipping from japan? tell me more :p

Just a regular eBay auction for about the regular JP prices for these things. But instead of the usual (and understandable) costs to get stuff from the other side of the world, it said free shipping. Did a double-take, checked that country was correctly listed and it was still free. So bought it on Wednesday, with estimated delivery on September 23rd. Then on Sunday I got a message from FedEx that they were going to deliver the next day at my home address. Which was a problem as I hadn't exactly counted on it being so fast and I was still four countries away at the time traveling by train, so redirected to my work address, where it arrived yesterday about the same time I did.

That was seriously quick courier service. No idea who paid for it, but it certainly wasn't me 😜

And in about two weeks time you'll receive a letter from Fedex for the import taxes (which thankfully do not include the crazy handling costs the Dutch Postal Services add).

That sounds sketchy . If a courier can delivery a package, and have you accept it without telling you about import taxes or giving you an option to refuse the packages based on those taxes, it feels at least unethical, maybe even illegal (depending on jurisdiction, I have no idea TBH) . It's also likely ripe for abuse, like if somebody sends you an unsolicited package with a false sky-high stated value just so you get a delayed fat tax bill . With so much stuff going through mail because of COVID-19 , someone might not even notice a given unsolicited package among their normal orders .

Reply 35755 of 36638, by imi

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that's how it usually works with a lot of couriers, you get an invoice after the fact with taxes plus an extra hefty fee for them having paid it in advance for you.

was the same with DHL last time for me.

Reply 35756 of 36638, by darry

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imi wrote on 2020-09-03, 17:55:

that's how it usually works with a lot of couriers, you get an invoice after the fact with taxes plus an extra hefty fee for them having paid it in advance for you.

was the same with DHL last time for me.

Every time that I have had to pay import taxes/duties it was on receipt of the package . My mother has actually refused delivery of an unexpected "gift" package from abroad because of unbelievably high taxes/duties . My mother and I live in Canada .

If I understand correctly, what you are telling me is that, where you live, if somebody sends you a package from abroad, whether solicited or not, you are on the hook for import taxes whose amount will only be disclosed after you have accepted the package and that you have no way of knowing what the amount will be or even refusing the package upon delivery based on said fees ?

I am no lawyer, but that sounds a lot like an extortion racket to me .

Reply 35757 of 36638, by imi

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darry wrote on 2020-09-03, 18:18:

I am no lawyer, but that sounds a lot like an extortion racket to me .

welcome to the world of courier services... it's also incredibly hard to find out what those fees actually are... they try and bury it as deep as they can in their websites...

I got a package from UPS recently (this one I had to pay on arrival) but there was no info whatsoever on the invoice how much the fee they charge actually was, there was just a total amount that included taxes and I suppose the fee as well, as it was more than taxes alone would have been.

I also did not find any info on the UPS site how much that fee is actually going to be, because they only listed the fee for taking care of customs, which was not necessary for this package as it was customs paid in advance, just had to pay VAT.

at least the postal service clearly states that they charge €10 for the service (you can't actually do customs or taxes yourself here, it always goes through either the postal service or a courier) and they clearly tell you the exact amounts calculated for customs, taxes and the fee seperately on the invoice.

Reply 35758 of 36638, by darry

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imi wrote on 2020-09-03, 18:52:
welcome to the world of courier services... it's also incredibly hard to find out what those fees actually are... they try and b […]
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darry wrote on 2020-09-03, 18:18:

I am no lawyer, but that sounds a lot like an extortion racket to me .

welcome to the world of courier services... it's also incredibly hard to find out what those fees actually are... they try and bury it as deep as they can in their websites...

I got a package from UPS recently (this one I had to pay on arrival) but there was no info whatsoever on the invoice how much the fee they charge actually was, there was just a total amount that included taxes and I suppose the fee as well, as it was more than taxes alone would have been.

I also did not find any info on the UPS site how much that fee is actually going to be, because they only listed the fee for taking care of customs, which was not necessary for this package as it was customs paid in advance, just had to pay VAT.

at least the postal service clearly states that they charge €10 for the service (you can't actually do customs or taxes yourself here, it always goes through either the postal service or a courier) and they clearly tell you the exact amounts calculated for customs, taxes and the fee seperately on the invoice.

Maybe laws in Canada are more strict in regards to after the fact "surprise" billing . In any jurisdiction, it boggles the mind that it is legal for somebody to drop off a package on your doorstep and have you be liable for undisclosed amounts with you having no choice in the matter and (I imagine) no recourse .

On a side node, I never order anything from abroad that goes through UPS for shipping unless I know that duties, taxes and processing fees are pre-paid at order time .

Reply 35759 of 36638, by keropi

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DHL here charges some ~130eur just for their customs service, so if you get a 60e thing you'll pay +130 +vat +various_fees
so it's a global scam 🤣

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