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Reply 36000 of 36638, by Thermalwrong

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wiretap wrote on 2020-09-15, 15:27:
pete8475 wrote on 2020-09-15, 15:15:
wiretap wrote on 2020-09-15, 14:09:

It will definitely fit. I only need use of 1 PCI slot.

Yep, you will definitely have to move some standoffs though, drilling a few holes shouldn't be a big deal if you take the time to mark the new locations. Also the AT keyboard connector won't be in the standard spot so you'll need to cut a hole in a blank i/o cover or just leave that open at the back of the case.

Yea it should be pretty simple, I've done standoffs before in places that needed them. For the I/O shield, I will just 3D print one, once I find out where the DIN connector lands.

I've beaten you to it somewhat, though in my case it's 386 and VLB 486 that got stuffed into micro ATX cases. I've put two together now, one which was easy because the standoffs were removable, that's the one in these pictures. It was made somewhat easier by someone uploading some obviously not for public use CAD files of a Yeong Yang micro ATX case 😁
The other is my 386, which has pressed metal 'standoffs' so the adapter is a 3mm shim that pushes the board upwards, with a similar shim for the card bracket screw holes. It hasn't even shorted out yet 😁
The backplate has a card backplate fitting to fit serial port etc but it's pretty cramped. I had to design a special bracket to fit my dual CF to IDE adapter on an angle for the 386.

I actually kind of forgot I made these, I was supposed to share this stuff on Thingiverse but never got around to it

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Adding another NEC Versa to the collection......this time a P/75 (Pentium 75) for Win9x stuff.....also have eyes on a 50EC as well ATM that would be a good parts unit. I'm seriously toying with collecting that entire series of units (Ultralite 20/25/33, 40/50 E/C/P/, V 40/50, M 75/100, P/75).

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Reply 36002 of 36638, by wiretap

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Thermalwrong wrote on 2020-09-15, 19:04:
I've beaten you to it somewhat, though in my case it's 386 and VLB 486 that got stuffed into micro ATX cases. I've put two toget […]
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pete8475 wrote on 2020-09-15, 15:15:

Yep, you will definitely have to move some standoffs though, drilling a few holes shouldn't be a big deal if you take the time to mark the new locations. Also the AT keyboard connector won't be in the standard spot so you'll need to cut a hole in a blank i/o cover or just leave that open at the back of the case.

Yea it should be pretty simple, I've done standoffs before in places that needed them. For the I/O shield, I will just 3D print one, once I find out where the DIN connector lands.

I've beaten you to it somewhat, though in my case it's 386 and VLB 486 that got stuffed into micro ATX cases. I've put two together now, one which was easy because the standoffs were removable, that's the one in these pictures. It was made somewhat easier by someone uploading some obviously not for public use CAD files of a Yeong Yang micro ATX case 😁
The other is my 386, which has pressed metal 'standoffs' so the adapter is a 3mm shim that pushes the board upwards, with a similar shim for the card bracket screw holes. It hasn't even shorted out yet 😁
The backplate has a card backplate fitting to fit serial port etc but it's pretty cramped. I had to design a special bracket to fit my dual CF to IDE adapter on an angle for the 386.

I actually kind of forgot I made these, I was supposed to share this stuff on Thingiverse but never got around to it

Nice, it looks good. If you get around to uploading the stuff to Thingiverse, let me know. 😜

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Reply 36003 of 36638, by Thermalwrong

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Oh yeah, I do need to do that, making a good thingiverse submission is a lot of work though. Here are the STL files if you have a 3d printer handy 😀 Idk what happened to the 3d printing thread on vogons, I could post a few things in it.

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I've been buying some weird and wonderful things lately - the 3d blaster banshee got me interested in what turned out to be a whole lot of junk. That ISA card in the top right - for some reason they chopped some intel RAM board in half and kept hold of it. The banshee turned out to be ruined, a bunch of burned traces by the PCI pins and it doesn't do anything after patching those & replacing the missing PCI pin.

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The card in the right was its own auction, it looked kind of ruined like this:

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But the damage to the ISA pins was just tarnishing and it cleared up fairly nicely with some vinegar & careful cleaning. This is a proper soundblaster 2.0 clone card, the J98MF-002 or "Anchor Electronics Media Concept 2.0". I spent hours trying to get the drivers working only to find that the drivers don't do a thing, this card really is a clone of an SB 2.0 and needs no drivers / TSR to do so. The driver disk is really just a couple of demos and a sound test application.

I have an SB 1.5 replica, but having a proper 2.0 type card is excellent, it has line-in and sounds just like my first SB 2.0 card. It drives unpowered speakers really well 😀

Reply 36004 of 36638, by HanJammer

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H3nrik V! wrote on 2020-09-15, 15:00:
HanJammer wrote on 2020-09-15, 14:01:

Some stuff that arrived today...

The ELSA card, is that a flippable ISA/EISA?

Yeah. It is.

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Reply 36005 of 36638, by vmr_

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What is better than one AMD K5 PR200?

hmm... two of them in a Tyan dual socket 7 mobo? 😀

No CPU was harmed - and I know, 2 x K5 is not going to work on a dual socket 7 mobo. But could not resist the temptation to put it all together for the photo, looks cool!

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Reply 36006 of 36638, by luckybob

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IF i was allowed to post a reaction image to @VMR_ , it would be that cable installer guy rubbing his nipples. I love that dual board.

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Reply 36007 of 36638, by H3nrik V!

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vmr_ wrote on 2020-09-15, 21:13:

What is better than one AMD K5 PR200?

hmm... two of them in a Tyan dual socket 7 mobo? 😀

No CPU was harmed - and I know, 2 x K5 is not going to work on a dual socket 7 mobo. But could not resist the temptation to put it all together for the photo, looks cool!

So, you mounted a PR200, took a photo, placed the same PR200 in the other socket, took another picture and then stitched, right? You don't have TWO, right? 🤣

Please use the "quote" option if asking questions to what I write - it will really up the chances of me noticing 😀

Reply 36008 of 36638, by H3nrik V!

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HanJammer wrote on 2020-09-15, 20:51:
H3nrik V! wrote on 2020-09-15, 15:00:
HanJammer wrote on 2020-09-15, 14:01:

Some stuff that arrived today...

The ELSA card, is that a flippable ISA/EISA?

Yeah. It is.

Downright cool! And what a challenge for the PCB designer to route that right 😀

Please use the "quote" option if asking questions to what I write - it will really up the chances of me noticing 😀

Reply 36009 of 36638, by debs3759

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H3nrik V! wrote on 2020-09-15, 21:49:
vmr_ wrote on 2020-09-15, 21:13:

What is better than one AMD K5 PR200?

hmm... two of them in a Tyan dual socket 7 mobo? 😀

No CPU was harmed - and I know, 2 x K5 is not going to work on a dual socket 7 mobo. But could not resist the temptation to put it all together for the photo, looks cool!

So, you mounted a PR200, took a photo, placed the same PR200 in the other socket, took another picture and then stitched, right? You don't have TWO, right? 🤣

If you look at the full size image, it is extremely clear that they are two different chips. Expensive trickery as well 😀

Reply 36010 of 36638, by alienmannequin

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Cyrix200+ wrote on 2020-09-15, 08:31:

The IBM one is this: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/IC_DRAM_Card . Not sure about the others.

Intel486dx33 wrote on 2020-09-15, 11:31:

They fit inside the bottom of the thinkpad. You flip open the keyboard to access the internals.

pentiumspeed wrote on 2020-09-15, 14:30:
Compaq used that in LTE 386s/20, LTE LITE series and LTE ELITE series. Toshiba older models used this type as well. […]
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Compaq used that in LTE 386s/20, LTE LITE series and LTE ELITE series.
Toshiba older models used this type as well.

Best to sell these on ebay so people can expand their classic notebooks.

Cheers,

Thanks all. Proprietary memory is awesome. There's something unique and exciting about a product that will never be produced again, as well as a sort of existential dread - similar to what one feels when a battery on a favourite laptop dies. That's why certain HPCs are so awesome - AA batteries.

imi wrote on 2020-09-15, 10:53:

yeah the IBM ones are not PCMCIA compatible, the other "DRAM" cards might be third party RAM cards for IBM, see if they have the same staggered pin layout.

some of the others are probably just flash cards, what PCMCIA was originally created for ^^ just think of them as "oversized CF cards"

Perfect - they appear to have a very similar layout. There were a couple of actual flash disks - I actually got a "disk is locked" message on both my XP & '98 PCMCIA-compatibles - any ideas?

Reply 36011 of 36638, by H3nrik V!

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debs3759 wrote on 2020-09-15, 22:12:
H3nrik V! wrote on 2020-09-15, 21:49:
vmr_ wrote on 2020-09-15, 21:13:

What is better than one AMD K5 PR200?

hmm... two of them in a Tyan dual socket 7 mobo? 😀

No CPU was harmed - and I know, 2 x K5 is not going to work on a dual socket 7 mobo. But could not resist the temptation to put it all together for the photo, looks cool!

So, you mounted a PR200, took a photo, placed the same PR200 in the other socket, took another picture and then stitched, right? You don't have TWO, right? 🤣

If you look at the full size image, it is extremely clear that they are two different chips. Expensive trickery as well 😀

Yup, I know. Just trying to share my envy of someone owning TWO unicorns 🤣

Please use the "quote" option if asking questions to what I write - it will really up the chances of me noticing 😀

Reply 36012 of 36638, by appiah4

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Thermalwrong wrote on 2020-09-15, 20:11:
Oh yeah, I do need to do that, making a good thingiverse submission is a lot of work though. Here are the STL files if you have […]
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Oh yeah, I do need to do that, making a good thingiverse submission is a lot of work though. Here are the STL files if you have a 3d printer handy 😀 Idk what happened to the 3d printing thread on vogons, I could post a few things in it.
ATinMATX-September2020.zip

I've been buying some weird and wonderful things lately - the 3d blaster banshee got me interested in what turned out to be a whole lot of junk. That ISA card in the top right - for some reason they chopped some intel RAM board in half and kept hold of it. The banshee turned out to be ruined, a bunch of burned traces by the PCI pins and it doesn't do anything after patching those & replacing the missing PCI pin.
IMG_9819-group.jpg

The card in the right was its own auction, it looked kind of ruined like this:
s-l16001.jpg

But the damage to the ISA pins was just tarnishing and it cleared up fairly nicely with some vinegar & careful cleaning. This is a proper soundblaster 2.0 clone card, the J98MF-002 or "Anchor Electronics Media Concept 2.0". I spent hours trying to get the drivers working only to find that the drivers don't do a thing, this card really is a clone of an SB 2.0 and needs no drivers / TSR to do so. The driver disk is really just a couple of demos and a sound test application.

I have an SB 1.5 replica, but having a proper 2.0 type card is excellent, it has line-in and sounds just like my first SB 2.0 card. It drives unpowered speakers really well 😀

Could you please check the DSP chip on that clone to see if it can be dumped?

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Reply 36013 of 36638, by hwh

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I bought a random Compaq for $75 just for a bezel piece, which not only arrived damaged, but turned out to be broken internally before it was even shipped. Couldn't see in the pictures. This week on eBay...

Reply 36014 of 36638, by Cyrix200+

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appiah4 wrote on 2020-09-16, 06:21:
Thermalwrong wrote on 2020-09-15, 20:11:
Oh yeah, I do need to do that, making a good thingiverse submission is a lot of work though. Here are the STL files if you have […]
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Oh yeah, I do need to do that, making a good thingiverse submission is a lot of work though. Here are the STL files if you have a 3d printer handy 😀 Idk what happened to the 3d printing thread on vogons, I could post a few things in it.
ATinMATX-September2020.zip

I've been buying some weird and wonderful things lately - the 3d blaster banshee got me interested in what turned out to be a whole lot of junk. That ISA card in the top right - for some reason they chopped some intel RAM board in half and kept hold of it. The banshee turned out to be ruined, a bunch of burned traces by the PCI pins and it doesn't do anything after patching those & replacing the missing PCI pin.
IMG_9819-group.jpg

The card in the right was its own auction, it looked kind of ruined like this:
s-l16001.jpg

But the damage to the ISA pins was just tarnishing and it cleared up fairly nicely with some vinegar & careful cleaning. This is a proper soundblaster 2.0 clone card, the J98MF-002 or "Anchor Electronics Media Concept 2.0". I spent hours trying to get the drivers working only to find that the drivers don't do a thing, this card really is a clone of an SB 2.0 and needs no drivers / TSR to do so. The driver disk is really just a couple of demos and a sound test application.

I have an SB 1.5 replica, but having a proper 2.0 type card is excellent, it has line-in and sounds just like my first SB 2.0 card. It drives unpowered speakers really well 😀

Could you please check the DSP chip on that clone to see if it can be dumped?

I have this version of the card. Is the bigger (in my case socketed) chip the DSP?

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Reply 36015 of 36638, by appiah4

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Yes, the chip with the QC sticker is the DSP controller. Apparently clones tend to leave this chip unlocked whereas the original Creative cards have it bitlocked. If it's unlocked it might turn out to be a useful rom dump for current (SnarkBarker etc) and future retro sound card projects.

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Reply 36016 of 36638, by Cyrix200+

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appiah4 wrote on 2020-09-16, 11:03:

Yes, the chip with the QC sticker is the DSP controller. Apparently clones tend to leave this chip unlocked whereas the original Creative cards have it bitlocked. If it's unlocked it might turn out to be a useful rom dump for current (SnarkBarker etc) and future retro sound card projects.

I'll put it in my MiniPro when I find some time 😀

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Reply 36017 of 36638, by appiah4

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Cyrix200+ wrote on 2020-09-16, 11:12:
appiah4 wrote on 2020-09-16, 11:03:

Yes, the chip with the QC sticker is the DSP controller. Apparently clones tend to leave this chip unlocked whereas the original Creative cards have it bitlocked. If it's unlocked it might turn out to be a useful rom dump for current (SnarkBarker etc) and future retro sound card projects.

I'll put it in my MiniPro when I find some time 😀

If all you can read is FF FF FF FF FF FF then it's locked 😀

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Reply 36018 of 36638, by HanJammer

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vmr_ wrote on 2020-09-15, 21:13:

What is better than one AMD K5 PR200?

hmm... two of them in a Tyan dual socket 7 mobo? 😀

No CPU was harmed - and I know, 2 x K5 is not going to work on a dual socket 7 mobo. But could not resist the temptation to put it all together for the photo, looks cool!

I love it! I just bought the same board but with only one socket (not "D" variant).

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Got this 486NC 33Mhz 4MB ram Bondwell laptop. Don't know if it works, since I don't have a power adapter for it. Any ideas what would be the voltage and amperage for this unit?

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