I didn't know that PCIE worked at all in Win9x. Does this work because its really some kind of AGP bridged card? I thought you couldn't use PCIE until XP.

Shagittarius wrote on 2021-01-02, 17:49:

I didn't know that PCIE worked at all in Win9x. Does this work because its really some kind of AGP bridged card? I thought you couldn't use PCIE until XP.

PCIe uses the PCI data transfer protocols even with a bridge chip, so it's transparent to Windows 9x and NT (as long as Windows loads the PCI interface driver).

Drivers are the issue for most PCIe cards. I'm not aware of any PCIe video cards that have manufacturer's drivers specifically for Windows 95 (some do for Windows 98 SE).

I have gotten a GeForce 6800 GS PCIe to work with Windows 95, but the drivers were meant for Windows 98 and throw up an USER32.dll error at start up. The drivers also don't integrate with the Display Properties, so it doesn't throttle the GPU fan (it's at full speed and very loud all of the time).

The Windows 98 drivers for the Radeon x800 PCIe don't work with Windows 95 at all, unfortunately.

I also have a PCIe USB controller (with a Via chip) that works perfectly with Windows 95 OSR2, Windows 98, NT 4, and Windows 2000 without modifying the drivers. Again, the PCIe interface is transparent to Windows. Windows thinks it's just another PCI device.

Interesting, I've always had a couple devices on my Windows 98SE machine that didn't have drivers and I always assumed it was the PCIE Bus. I've got a 4CoreDual-VSTA motherboard, maybe these devices should be working? This motherboard has both AGP and PCIE slots.

Those are either devices that Windows can't identify or doesn't have a working driver. Even with a compatible .INF file from Intel, my machines almost always have a device or two that Windows can't identify or manage (SM Bus or something or other).

Try plugging in a PCIe card, and Windows will detect it as a new device. Whether you have a compatible driver for it is another story.

Thanks for the great info.

Here's a screenshot of my Core i5-3570 running Win 98 FE with a PCIe Radeon x800 (widescreen resolution, of course).

Not shown: the Device manager lists 5 additional PCI-to-PCI bridges and my Via-based PCIe USB ports.

fosterwj03 wrote on 2021-01-02, 19:51:

I have gotten a GeForce 6800 GS PCIe to work with Windows 95, but the drivers were meant for Windows 98 and throw up an USER32.d […]
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I have gotten a GeForce 6800 GS PCIe to work with Windows 95, but the drivers were meant for Windows 98 and throw up an USER32.dll error at start up. The drivers also don't integrate with the Display Properties, so it doesn't throttle the GPU fan (it's at full speed and very loud all of the time).
The Windows 98 drivers for the Radeon x800 PCIe don't work with Windows 95 at all, unfortunately.

Here's a screenshot of my Core i5-3570 running Win 98 FE with a PCIe Radeon x800 (widescreen resolution, of course).
Not shown: the Device manager lists 5 additional PCI-to-PCI bridges and my Via-based PCIe USB ports.

Good job ! I got a 6200 PCIe to work under Win98se in one of the older boards, never tried it with Win95, am sure it would not like it ;p

Just got a free Antec Smartpower 450w that is loaded with unpopped Fuhjyuu's and a free NIB Ultra 500watt X-Connect that is loaded with yellow J.E.C or some such caps. At least they arent F U's like the Antec!

ODwilly wrote on 2021-01-03, 02:56:

Just got a free Antec Smartpower 450w that is loaded with unpopped Fuhjyuu's and a free NIB Ultra 500watt X-Connect that is loaded with yellow J.E.C or some such caps. At least they arent F U's like the Antec!

Great and the price was right ! Some Ultra's were made well, some have good caps but some did not.
Have a Ultra Xfinity 600 bought new about 15 years ago and still works just fine. Most of my Antecs still work but some have the bad caps and need work, otherwise they were built very well.

I have 3 ultra x-connects since they were new and they all still work great and all the voltage rails are within spec. There great units. I've had good luck with those antec units. Did your x-connects come with all of the different cables?

chrismeyer6 wrote on 2021-01-03, 03:17:

I have 3 ultra x-connects since they were new and they all still work great and all the voltage rails are within spec. There great units. I've had good luck with those antec units. Did your x-connects come with all of the different cables?

Ya it did which is great. Id have just binned it if it was full of garbage caps TBH. It has the all important 6pin aux connector for my dual socket Pentium 3 machine! Iv had so many of these older Antec's show up with bad voltages and caps spewed everywhere. Built like tanks but once the caps go they get pretty wild. Giving the Antec away to a buddy thatl recap it and use it, since they havent leaked but the 12v is looking a little anemic.

That's excellent getting the full cable set. I use one of them in a socket A build and the second on with my dual p3 850 build and they are just great. The third one I use for testing and as well a spare for other machines.

I actually bought this before Christmas. A compact Pentium 4 PC I bought for the case (btw. I'd still like some clues about the other case in the comment). It was just now that I had the time to pick it up. It was freakin' heavy, and I'm a regular gym goer (was before COVID shutdowns). Easily my heaviest desktop which is interesting considering it's also the smallest. Before opening the box I started thinking maybe I got a box of bricks, but since I only paid 11$ including shipping, that wouldn't have been a bad deal either. I want to remodel my kitchen anyway.

Regarding it's size, it's basically everything I wanted for my compact Tualatin+Win98 build.

As for reference, here is an already pretty compact 386 (from which I should make a BIOS dump. I didn't forget). The case is a little scratched up, but the only thing that might be problematic is the discoloration on the front.

As for the inside, it should be a working 2.4GHz Pentium 4 with 512MB RAM and a 60GB HDD (looks like a Samsung). The listing had images about it being turned on and booted into Windows. If it really works, all the better, I'll do some benchmarking, maybe with my trusty RV410 based X1050. I'm thinking whether I should leave the DVD combo drive or replace it with a CD only. Being able to read DVDs is convenient, but I don't think it's necessary for W98.

As for my concerns about the location of the AGP slot, it's just about a couple of millimeters away from the 5.25" drive rack, so using full height graphics cards is a non-issue.

Its a lot of work recapping the antec PSUs, but they are pretty good if the after the bad capacitors are replaced.

RandomStranger wrote on 2021-01-03, 10:10:

I actually bought this before Christmas. A compact Pentium 4 PC I bought for the case (btw. I'd still like some clues about the other case in the comment). It was just now that I had the time to pick it up. It was freakin' heavy, and I'm a regular gym goer (was before COVID shutdowns). Easily my heaviest desktop which is interesting considering it's also the smallest. Before opening the box I started thinking maybe I got a box of bricks, but since I only paid 11$ including shipping, that wouldn't have been a bad deal either. I want to remodel my kitchen anyway.

Regarding it's size, it's basically everything I wanted for my compact Tualatin+Win98 build.

Very nice 😀 That's a Yeong Yang A203 case. I've got a couple of bezel-less ones of that case, one of which now houses my favourite 386 (with a bunch of 3d printed adapters)
It's amazing, apparently they still make those cases and they even have USB 3.0 on the front now: https://www.yycase.com/YY-A201.html

From looking at your other post and the interesting 'Digital Communication' case, sadly I've never seen that design before.

Also, adalbert's posting the Avance L12 case, agh I wish I could find that case. By the time my interest was renewed in interesting computers, Avance had come and gone 😒

Thermalwrong wrote on 2021-01-03, 14:32:

Very nice 😀 That's a Yeong Yang A203 case. I've got a couple of bezel-less ones of that case, one of which now houses my favourite 386 (with a bunch of 3d printed adapters)
It's amazing, apparently they still make those cases and they even have USB 3.0 on the front now: https://www.yycase.com/YY-A201.html

From looking at your other post and the interesting 'Digital Communication' case, sadly I've never seen that design before.

Thank you!

The case layout (on the inside) and the back of that 'Digital Communication' case is very similar to some of the other Yeong cases. I wouldn't be surprised if it was one of their older models too.

Was regretting selling all of my 486 stuff and had been bothering ebay for a while looking for something interesting enough but not super expensive...

Just ordered this one (ebay pic)

Perhaps the seller is on here?.. It has had a couple of impressive looking trace repairs.

Appears to be http://www.win3x.org/uh19/motherboard/show/1203

LewisRaz wrote on 2021-01-03, 15:10:

Was regretting selling all of my 486 stuff and had been bothering ebay for a while looking for something interesting enough but […]
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Was regretting selling all of my 486 stuff and had been bothering ebay for a while looking for something interesting enough but not super expensive...

Just ordered this one (ebay pic)

Perhaps the seller is on here?.. It has had a couple of impressive looking trace repairs.

Appears to be http://www.win3x.org/uh19/motherboard/show/1203

Looks like a nice board for Weitek 4167 and early 486. Good find with no apparent battery leakage (I would recommend removing the battery when it arrives though)

debs3759 wrote on 2021-01-03, 15:46:

LewisRaz wrote on 2021-01-03, 15:10:

Was regretting selling all of my 486 stuff and had been bothering ebay for a while looking for something interesting enough but […]
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Was regretting selling all of my 486 stuff and had been bothering ebay for a while looking for something interesting enough but not super expensive...

Just ordered this one (ebay pic)

Perhaps the seller is on here?.. It has had a couple of impressive looking trace repairs.

Appears to be http://www.win3x.org/uh19/motherboard/show/1203

Looks like a nice board for Weitek 4167 and early 486. Good find with no apparent battery leakage (I would recommend removing the battery when it arrives though)

Usually a good recommendation. Though in this case it seems the battery is pretty new. I would change it to a different type none the less.