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Re: Bought these (retro) hardware today

Postby dexvx » 2017-10-19 @ 23:03

TheAbandonwareGuy wrote:IIRC Kyro is about on part with the TNT2 Ultra. Kyro 2 supposedly is in GeForce2 range.


No, Kyro I is much stronger than TNT2U overall. Kyro is difficult to characterize performance wise because of its tile rendering. In lower resolutions and 16-bit color, it's no better than a TNT2U. At higher resolutions (1024x768 was higher back in the day) and 32-bit color, it's more like a GeForce DDR.

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Kyro II was actually a little disappointing. Other than a clock speed bump (125 -> 175), it didn't bring much else. If they went with a T&L engine like they did in the unreleased Kyro III, it probably would've fared much better.
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Re: Bought these (retro) hardware today

Postby Ozzuneoj » 2017-10-19 @ 23:13

Cyrix200+ wrote:Got this a while back, bought it because it wa cheap and I never had one. Did not realise that I bought a PCI version until I got it.

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Woa... Kyro PCI? Now I'm wondering if the Prophet 4000 I have is PCI or AGP. I know my Prophet II 4500 Kyro II is AGP, but I don't remember looking that closely at the other when I got it.

Over the past year or so I've really begun to notice how much more valuable and rare PCI cards seem to be.


EDIT: After frantically tearing through my "collection" tote, I see that my card is a 3D Prophet 4000XT AGP. I am also reminded of how I need to sit down and do some DOS benchmarks and compatibility tests with a bunch of the oddball cards in my collection. I have some strange ones like Permedia, i740 (two different ones), Savage 4000, Kyro I\II, and a slew of others. Would be interesting to know how some of these work for DOS.
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Re: Bought these (retro) hardware today

Postby TheAbandonwareGuy » 2017-10-20 @ 08:18

Ozzuneoj wrote:
Cyrix200+ wrote:Got this a while back, bought it because it wa cheap and I never had one. Did not realise that I bought a PCI version until I got it.

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Woa... Kyro PCI? Now I'm wondering if the Prophet 4000 I have is PCI or AGP. I know my Prophet II 4500 Kyro II is AGP, but I don't remember looking that closely at the other when I got it.

Over the past year or so I've really begun to notice how much more valuable and rare PCI cards seem to be.


EDIT: After frantically tearing through my "collection" tote, I see that my card is a 3D Prophet 4000XT AGP. I am also reminded of how I need to sit down and do some DOS benchmarks and compatibility tests with a bunch of the oddball cards in my collection. I have some strange ones like Permedia, i740 (two different ones), Savage 4000, Kyro I\II, and a slew of others. Would be interesting to know how some of these work for DOS.


For some reason odd ball cards tend to excel in DOS it seems. E.G. My Savage2000.
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Re: Bought these (retro) hardware today

Postby Deksor » 2017-10-20 @ 10:25

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That's no surprise since yours is an s3 card
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Re: Bought these (retro) hardware today

Postby Batyra » 2017-10-20 @ 12:07

Just received the package.
You don't see much of them theese days... :cool:

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Re: Bought these (retro) hardware today

Postby appiah4 » 2017-10-20 @ 12:18

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Click on thread expecting a wonderful sound card, and of course I'm not disappointed.

I have a feeling we don't see many good sound cards around anymore because you are hoarding a couple thousand of them.
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Re: Bought these (retro) hardware today

Postby Batyra » 2017-10-20 @ 12:35

thanks! @appiah4
I'm very happy of it. But as they say "appetite grows with eating"... there are stil so many cards I miss in my collection... I have to be patient...
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Re: Bought these (retro) hardware today

Postby oeuvre » 2017-10-20 @ 13:44

That... sounds great!
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Re: Bought these (retro) hardware today

Postby amadeus777999 » 2017-10-20 @ 14:11

Got another Pentium60 board - this time a high quality SiemensNixdorf Scenic 5H-D841.
Only downside is that there is no front side bus jumper so I have to solder in another oscillator with 66 mhz which I have already ordered. Should I find 70mhz oscillators I'll buy them too and maybe it works at this, rather nasty, frequency too. I could not read the markings clearly so I hope these are not 5V parts.
Performance-wise the board, besides the low clock- and memory writing speed, is rather fast. In fact it is nearly as fast as the SI5PI with sub-optimal cache settings at 66mhz... pretty respectable.

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Re: Bought these (retro) hardware today

Postby BitWrangler » 2017-10-20 @ 15:20

Heh, I had to zoom in on that, Siemens Nixdorf Scenics also had a socket 5 board with virtually identical layout. I wouldn't really call it a high quality board though.
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Re: Bought these (retro) hardware today

Postby appiah4 » 2017-10-20 @ 15:25

Gor offered these for 3 bucks a piece.. The S370 is passable but is the dual slot 1 motherboard with weird power connectors worth buying and wth is that Rage 3D / adaptec scsi hybrid card?

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Re: Bought these (retro) hardware today

Postby bjwil1991 » 2017-10-20 @ 15:40

The Pentium II board must be a server board hence the weird power connector.
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Re: Bought these (retro) hardware today

Postby yawetaG » 2017-10-20 @ 16:28

And the Rage/SCSI board probably goes with it.

If the price is good and they work, it may be worth picking up that lot.
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Re: Bought these (retro) hardware today

Postby derSammler » 2017-10-20 @ 17:00

Got a couple of 60ns 1 MB SIMMs with parity today. Now I can run my 16 MHz 286 with no wait states. :)
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Re: Bought these (retro) hardware today

Postby SW-SSG » 2017-10-20 @ 17:19

appiah4 wrote:Gor offered these for 3 bucks a piece.. The S370 is passable but is the dual slot 1 motherboard with weird power connectors worth buying and wth is that Rage 3D / adaptec scsi hybrid card?

That s370 board is, if I'm not mistaken, a MSI 694T Pro. Tualatin support. Personally, I would pick it up.
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Re: Bought these (retro) hardware today

Postby BitWrangler » 2017-10-20 @ 17:20

derSammler wrote:Got a couple of 60ns 1 MB SIMMs with parity today. Now I can run my 16 MHz 286 with no wait states. :)
Oh wow, when I think of 60ns I think of hotrod DX50s. Wouldn't have occurred to me to put better than 80ns on a 286, but guess they don't have L2 to smooth things out.
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Re: Bought these (retro) hardware today

Postby derSammler » 2017-10-20 @ 17:23

Well, with 80 ns you either need 1 wait state or can not go faster than 12.5 MHz.
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Re: Bought these (retro) hardware today

Postby bjwil1991 » 2017-10-20 @ 17:30

derSammler wrote:Got a couple of 60ns 1 MB SIMMs with parity today. Now I can run my 16 MHz 286 with no wait states. :)

Is the 16MHz 286 an AMD processor?
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Re: Bought these (retro) hardware today

Postby debs3759 » 2017-10-20 @ 17:44

bjwil1991 wrote:
derSammler wrote:Got a couple of 60ns 1 MB SIMMs with parity today. Now I can run my 16 MHz 286 with no wait states. :)

Is the 16MHz 286 an AMD processor?


AMD did 16 MHz 286 in PLCC and CLCC.
Harris produced 16 MHz PGA, and 16, 20 and 25 MHz in PLCC
Intersil produced 16 and 20 MHz in PGA, and 16, 20 and 25 MHz in PLCC
Siemens produced 16 MHz in PLCC
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Re: Bought these (retro) hardware today

Postby derSammler » 2017-10-20 @ 17:57

bjwil1991 wrote:Is the 16MHz 286 an AMD processor?

No, Harris. It's actually a 20 MHz one, but the chipset can not go beyond 16 MHz.
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