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Reply 16260 of 52358, by TheMobRules

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Yeah, try getting your hands on an AT backplate for an ATX case and tell me about it 🤣

Actually I have about three of those 😁

This one I got with a FIC PT-2003 motherboard, although I don't think it came originally with that board. It's the most "standard" of all three, just like any modern I/O shield but with the AT keyboard connector.

Another one came with an ATX case I bought in the early 2000s which I converted to AT, but that one is non-standard and needs a couple of screws to be held in place so I cannot use it in any other case.

The third one is from my very first ATX case, but it's also non-standard, it has 3 little tabs on each side that are inserted in appropriate holes in the case... unfortunately I don't have that case anymore so it's useless 😒

FesterBlatz's custom backplate looks way cooler than any of mine though 😲

Reply 16261 of 52358, by ODwilly

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I feel like someone with a 3D printer could make a couple hundred of those and sell em for $20 each for a nice profit

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Reply 16262 of 52358, by Tetrium

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ODwilly wrote:

I feel like someone with a 3D printer could make a couple hundred of those and sell em for $20 each for a nice profit

How much does it cost to actually 'manufacture' them that way (minus the acquisition cost of the printer itself)? Buying a 3D printer on my own is way out of my league 😵

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Reply 16263 of 52358, by meljor

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I think that, in a way, it's cheating.....AT boards should be in AT cases 🤣

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Reply 16264 of 52358, by ODwilly

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Tetrium wrote:
ODwilly wrote:

I feel like someone with a 3D printer could make a couple hundred of those and sell em for $20 each for a nice profit

How much does it cost to actually 'manufacture' them that way (minus the acquisition cost of the printer itself)? Buying a 3D printer on my own is way out of my league 😵

🤣 oops. I may ask a family member about cost and time for this. He has a 3d printer at work

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Reply 16265 of 52358, by GL1zdA

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Today arrived a new PC. Actually, I just wanted the case - a Palo Alto ATMT-ATX. One of the first ATX cases available, an adaptation of their previous ATMT AT case. Although it's ATX compatible it came with an AT motherboard and a 200 W AT Seasonic PSU. A classic beige tower. Dell and Micron used the AT version for their PCs.

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And yesterday I've received complete FAST Movie Machine II Power Pack - with the M-JPEG and MPEG options, software (Premiere 4.0 LE, Photoshop 2.5 LE, Xing MPEG Encoder) and manuals. The boxes are in pretty poor state, but it's still an almost complete package:

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Reply 16266 of 52358, by GL1zdA

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And yesterday I've received complete FAST Movie Machine II Power Pack - with the M-JPEG and MPEG options, the breakout connector (often missing), software (Premiere 4.0 LE, Photoshop 2.5 LE, Xing MPEG Encoder) and manuals. The boxes are in pretty poor state, but it's still an almost complete package:

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Reply 16267 of 52358, by appiah4

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Finally own one of my most memorable video cards of all time, the Radeon 8500. Mine was a red PCB 8500LE and I always wanted a green PCB reference 8500, but a black PCB custom 8500 will do.

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Reply 16268 of 52358, by Anonymous Coward

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I just bought this. At first glance it appears everything is fine, until you realise that it's for a 386DX and not an SX type system.
I've only ever seen one or possibly two 386DX motherboards that use a PLCC type coprocessor.
Normally this FPU comes in the PQFP package and is soldered to a PGA adapter.

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Reply 16269 of 52358, by brassicGamer

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GL1zdA wrote:

And yesterday I've received complete FAST Movie Machine II Power Pack - with the M-JPEG and MPEG options, the breakout connector (often missing), software (Premiere 4.0 LE, Photoshop 2.5 LE, Xing MPEG Encoder) and manuals. The boxes are in pretty poor state, but it's still an almost complete package

That's pretty much the most epic thing I've seen on here this week. Are you going to use it? I'd love to see it in action in a period-correct setup.

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Finally own one of my most memorable video cards of all time, the Radeon 8500. Mine was a red PCB 8500LE and I always wanted a green PCB reference 8500, but a black PCB custom 8500 will do.

I LOVE my 8500 - it was the first 'high end' gaming card I had and was perfect for GTA III. I still use it in all my PIII builds as its rock solid.

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Reply 16270 of 52358, by appiah4

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Yeah, I was going to build my Tualatin Celeron PC with a 9600XT in absence of a 8500, but now that I have it, 8500 it is. (Although I do have second doubts, considerin ght 9600XT is twice as powerful.. but it came out at least 2 years later so that would be cheating.)

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Reply 16271 of 52358, by GL1zdA

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brassicGamer wrote:
GL1zdA wrote:

And yesterday I've received complete FAST Movie Machine II Power Pack - with the M-JPEG and MPEG options, the breakout connector (often missing), software (Premiere 4.0 LE, Photoshop 2.5 LE, Xing MPEG Encoder) and manuals. The boxes are in pretty poor state, but it's still an almost complete package

That's pretty much the most epic thing I've seen on here this week. Are you going to use it? I'd love to see it in action in a period-correct setup.

I wouldn't call it usage, but I definitely want to tinker with it a bit. I've somehow managed to collect quite a bit of the analogue video equipment and I would love to get my hands on a Sony CCD-VX1E to play with an early computer hobbyist/prosumer NLE setup.

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Reply 16272 of 52358, by xplus93

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appiah4 wrote:

Yeah, I was going to build my Tualatin Celeron PC with a 9600XT in absence of a 8500, but now that I have it, 8500 it is. (Although I do have second doubts, considerin ght 9600XT is twice as powerful.. but it came out at least 2 years later so that would be cheating.)

I ran a GF 6800 GS in my coppermine build for a while and it might go back if I don't like the 5200 I put in it. Not really cheating IMO because GPUs get upgraded.

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Reply 16273 of 52358, by FesterBlatz

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How much does it cost to actually 'manufacture' them that way (minus the acquisition cost of the printer itself)? Buying a 3D printer on my own is way out of my league 😵

Mere pennies. A 2 kg spool of filament can be had for $15...and these custom plates probably weigh only a dozen grams or so. If you do the math...it doesn't really amount to much at all.

And thanks to the "Reprap" Open Source 3D printing community (http://reprap.org/) coupled with an abundance of inexpensive parts being available from far-east, the cost of entry into the 3D printing world is not at all what it used to be. I built my first 3D printer from a $275 kit, and the last two printers were built from scratch using many 3D printed parts made on the first printer. The latest printer is a fairly large Kossel design with a powerful Duet WiFi 32-bit ARM based web-based controller, auto calibrating, carbon fiber diagonal rods with zero-lash magnetic ball-joints, high resolution 0.9 degree stepper motors, and uses a top of the line E3D hot end and Titan extruder. All of this cost maybe $800 in materials to build.

Here's a few short videos of some of the first prints I did with this machine right after I completed the build--and much of this printer has been improved since then.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umjIJDUUtXA

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Reply 16274 of 52358, by Skyscraper

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I just bought this CPU! 😈 Now I really need to get a good Socket 4 motherbroard!

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I feel 22 euro was a really good price for this CPU but the shipping was expensive as the CPU is mounted on this CPU card. Do someone know what system this CPU card is for?

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I mitigated the shipping cost by buying a €6 386 motherboard, two video cards (VLB + ISA) for €5 euro each and some other items. 😀

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Reply 16275 of 52358, by FesterBlatz

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That's pretty cool, it looks like an embedded system CPU board that would normally plug into some kind of backplane. I've seen those in socket 3 and socket 7, but never socket 4. It's also neat that it has 16+1 SRAM cache chips.

Wow 22 euro... I've been hanging onto this CPU for years, I wonder what a Pentium 60 CPU is worth then?

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Reply 16276 of 52358, by Skyscraper

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FesterBlatz wrote:

That's pretty cool, it looks like an embedded system CPU card that would normally plug into some kind of backplane. I've seen those socket 3 and socket 7, but never socket 4.

Wow 22 euro... I've been hanging onto this CPU for years, I wonder what a Pentium 60 CPU is worth then?

I would imagine any gold top Pentium 60 with the FDIV bug to be worth at least 25 euro (the ones on Ebay at the moment seem to be $45) but I have not really looked around.

I have seen the late steppings of Pentium 60 without the bug for around 15 - 20 euro though and bought a couple for even less.

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Reply 16277 of 52358, by FesterBlatz

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I've considered selling it on eBay but the fear of it being destroyed for gold discourages me from doing so. I pulled this from a working Gateway 2000 at work YEARS ago when we were scrapping old PCs by the dozens...long before the current "retro" phase kicked in. I regret tossing so many now rare machines including what today would be considered beautiful Gateway Pentium PRO workstations. Back then, anything in a white case and connected to a CRT meant it was junk...

Who knows, maybe I'll stumble on a suitable motherboard for it someday.

Reply 16278 of 52358, by Skyscraper

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FesterBlatz wrote:

I've considered selling it on eBay but the fear of it being destroyed for gold discourages me from doing so. I pulled this from a working Gateway 2000 at work YEARS ago when we were scrapping old PCs by the dozens...long before the current "retro" phase kicked in. I regret tossing so many now rare machines including what today would be considered beautiful Gateway Pentium PRO workstations. Back then, anything in a white case and connected to a CRT meant it was junk...

Who knows, maybe I'll stumble on a suitable motherboard for it someday.

I would keep it, they won't lose their value. Owning rare(ish) CPUs is safer than letting your bank handle your money or buying stocks! 😀

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1) There was an FPU in that thing?

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Reply 16279 of 52358, by kithylin

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I don't know if this should be in Retro or Modern threads... kinda in that grey area, so.. I guess slap me if I post it in the wrong thread.

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New processor for my AM2 WindowsXP-32 water cooled build over here: ..

AMD Athlon X2 7750 Black Edition. 2nd fastest chip in the AMD Athlon X2 Microprocessor Family, the one just before the Athlon II x2's came out later.

As usual with ebay sellers that sell cpu's for $11 .. they shipped with pin protection but must of been bent before he put it in there because almost all of the pins on the outer 2 rows all the way around were bent horribly. I've moved almost all of em back into position now, or close enough. Spent about 45 minutes straigtening em. 😵 😢