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Reply 14360 of 52818, by sf78

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Alcohol and cotton tip's (Lots of it) 😉

What he means, is that you drink the alcohol and put the q-tips up your nose so that the smell doesn't bother you.

Reply 14361 of 52818, by rick6

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nforce4max wrote:

There is a registry hack that is still floating somewhere on the net that fools the driver into thinking you are using an sli certified board so you can enable sli on just about anything even older amd boards that would have only had crossfire support.

But this card should work in a modern motherboard even if such board doesn't support SLI, right?

Anyway i'm going to do a final test tonight on this motherboard:

13-130-699-Z01?$S640$

The seller offered a partial refund which i'm still considering. I could try to reflow both gpus, but it's still a bad deal even if it works.

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Reply 14362 of 52818, by PhilsComputerLab

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nforce4max wrote:

There is a registry hack that is still floating somewhere on the net that fools the driver into thinking you are using an sli certified board so you can enable sli on just about anything even older amd boards that would have only had crossfire support.

Have you tried this / seen it work?

I found tons of threads, but not much luck getting it to work. Nvidia seems to have been very aggressive back in the day to stop this.

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Reply 14363 of 52818, by vmunix

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PhilsComputerLab wrote:
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These items arrived recently!

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I have that exact controller. With a 4.3Gb 7200rpm Seagate Barracuda no more I/O bottlenecks.
Model ST1515 is quiet and should be cheap, however is a servers HD found in many Digital x86 and Alpha servers as RZ29, it has double height compared to modern HD's

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Reply 14364 of 52818, by PhilsComputerLab

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vmunix wrote:

I have that exact controller. With a 4.3Gb 7200rpm Seagate Barracuda no more I/O bottlenecks.
Model ST1515 is quiet and should be cheap, however is a servers HD found in many Digital x86 and Alpha servers as RZ29, it has double height compared to modern HD's

Nice!

I still have to test the controller. As for drives, I only got a 500 MB and a 9 GB one. The 9 GB has a 80 pin connector, but I've got an adapter for it.

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Reply 14365 of 52818, by nforce4max

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PhilsComputerLab wrote:
nforce4max wrote:

There is a registry hack that is still floating somewhere on the net that fools the driver into thinking you are using an sli certified board so you can enable sli on just about anything even older amd boards that would have only had crossfire support.

Have you tried this / seen it work?

I found tons of threads, but not much luck getting it to work. Nvidia seems to have been very aggressive back in the day to stop this.

Used it for close to two years on a AMD board without issues back when I was running two 9800 GT in sli.

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Reply 14366 of 52818, by matze79

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OMG!, i got a MegaLITH Plus ISA Memory Card with Driver Disc and Box for Free 😀

I'm really Happy! now i can add whopping 8 Megs of RAM to my 286.
The Card also has Cache Memory wow

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Reply 14367 of 52818, by vmunix

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matze79 wrote:

OMG!, i got a MegaLITH Plus ISA Memory Card with Driver Disc and Box for Free 😀

I'm really Happy! now i can add whopping 8 Megs of RAM to my 286.
The Card also has Cache Memory wow

Pictures or it didn't happen ! 🤣

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Reply 14368 of 52818, by matze79

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Also has Cache Memory, tried to expand my 286 to 12Mb XMS, but the Card only expands to 10Mb,
Now configured 4Mb XMS and 4Mb EMS but the EMS Driver shows up 4Mb EMS but no Application can find it ?!?

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Reply 14369 of 52818, by PcBytes

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Picked up a nVidia Riva TNT2 M64 32MB AGP card,the 3-notch type that works on everything.

Is it worth anything? Or is it the worst of them (like the GF2 MX200 was).

I recently got a QDI Advance 10F motherboard with a 1GHz Pentium III (Coppermine core) and had no other separate GPU to use it with. (only a 512MB Radeon HD3450 which is just silly on a S370 system - it's currently sitting in a S754 machine)

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Reply 14370 of 52818, by clueless1

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PcBytes wrote:

Picked up a nVidia Riva TNT2 M64 32MB AGP card,the 3-notch type that works on everything.

Is it worth anything? Or is it the worst of them (like the GF2 MX200 was)

For Windows/3D gaming, it's not so hot. Where it would shine is in a late DOS era PC. Very fast and compatible with DOS games, and would be perfect for a P233MX or faster system for playing really demanding DOS games like Descent 2, Duke3D and other Build Engine games, System Shock, etc. in SVGA.

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Reply 14371 of 52818, by rkrenicki

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I bought a Roland MPU-401 today that was missing its card, so I also bought all of the parts to build a couple of Lo-Tech MIF-IPC-B cards.

Reply 14372 of 52818, by Carlos S. M.

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PcBytes wrote:

Picked up a nVidia Riva TNT2 M64 32MB AGP card,the 3-notch type that works on everything.

Is it worth anything? Or is it the worst of them (like the GF2 MX200 was).

I recently got a QDI Advance 10F motherboard with a 1GHz Pentium III (Coppermine core) and had no other separate GPU to use it with. (only a 512MB Radeon HD3450 which is just silly on a S370 system - it's currently sitting in a S754 machine)

TNT2 M64 is just the second slowest TNT2 variant (only begin faster than TNT2 Vanta), the TNT2 M64 by it's name says, is a full TNT2 with a only 64 bit memory bus unlike the standard TNT2 (with the full 128 bit mem bus).

Acording to Anandtech's review (http://www.anandtech.com/show/393/4). The TNT2 M64 64 bit bus penalizes 32 bit perfomance alot

Perfomance wise

TNT2 M64 loses to:
TNT2, TNT2 Pro and Ultra
Geforce 2 MX (all models)
3Dfx Voodoo 3 (all models)
3Dfx Voodoo 2 SLI
ATI Rage 128 Pro
ATI Radeon VE/700
S3 Savage 2000
Matrox G400/G400 MAX
Matrox G450

TNT2 M64 beats or barely surpasses (afaik):
TNT1
TNT2 Vanta
S3 ViRGE (all models)
S3 Savage 3D
S3 Savage 4
Riva 128
Intel i740
Intel 810/815

i'm not really sure about TNT2 M64 vs:
3Dfx Voodoo Banshee
3Dfx Voodoo 2 (single card)
Intel 845G (Extreme Graphics 1)
Matrox G200
Matrox G220

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Reply 14373 of 52818, by PhilsComputerLab

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The TNT2 M64 is a great card for the right games.

If you're looking at Quake 2, Expendable and Unreal, you will likely be disappointed.

But older games should run great on it. It has excellent compatibility with older games, for example Incoming is broken with anything newer than a TNT2. Forsaken, Shadows of the Empire and other older games should all run great.

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Reply 14374 of 52818, by ODwilly

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Bought some mini heatsinks with thermal tape to stick on some gpu memory chips

Main pc: Asus ROG 17. R9 5900HX, RTX 3070m, 16gb ddr4 3200, 1tb NVME.
Retro PC: Soyo P4S Dragon, 3gb ddr 266, 120gb Maxtor, Geforce Fx 5950 Ultra, SB Live! 5.1

Reply 14375 of 52818, by chrisNova777

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stamasd wrote:
Memory chips to upgrade my CL VLB video card to 2MB: […]
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Memory chips to upgrade my CL VLB video card to 2MB:

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is 2MB mem going to make that much of a difference with this card? because i have a CL VLB card aswell.. for the moment
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Reply 14376 of 52818, by matze79

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Depends with Memory Interleave, yes.

If the card does not support it, no.
Just more Colors and Higher Resolutions.

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Reply 14377 of 52818, by kanecvr

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Carlos S. M. wrote:
TNT2 M64 beats or barely surpasses (afaik): TNT1 TNT2 Vanta S3 ViRGE (all models) S3 Savage 3D S3 Savage 4 Riva 128 Intel i740 I […]
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TNT2 M64 beats or barely surpasses (afaik):
TNT1
TNT2 Vanta
S3 ViRGE (all models)
S3 Savage 3D
S3 Savage 4
Riva 128
Intel i740
Intel 810/815

i'm not really sure about TNT2 M64 vs:
3Dfx Voodoo Banshee
3Dfx Voodoo 2 (single card)
Intel 845G (Extreme Graphics 1)
Matrox G200
Matrox G220

The savage 4 whips the TNT2 M64. It's close to the TNT2 (128bit) in performance - it does better in 16bit and worse in 32bit - the savage 4 also does better at higher resolutions in d3d but worse in openGL.

The M64 is faster then banshee / v2 / g200 / extreme graphics 1. The banshee is close in 16 bit single texturing games tough.

Reply 14378 of 52818, by kithylin

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rick6 wrote:
Nope, i don't have any of those, but i believe it should at least work without any problem on the i3 2120. […]
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If you have any nForce 4/5/600 boards try those.

Nope, i don't have any of those, but i believe it should at least work without any problem on the i3 2120.

I also have a Celeron G1840 Haswell based system, i should try on that tomorrow.

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The 7950 Gx2 is an older SLI video card. The one I had a few years ago worked fine on an intel x58 system, but then again that system's designed to run SLI (or crossfire for that matter). It depends on your system.. you should probably open a thread about it and I can try to help you there better. We're sorta running off topic on this one.. PM me a link if you do start one and I'll try my best to help. Can't promise anything, but it very well may be not compatible with your system, yet actually be an OK card, possibly.

Reply 14379 of 52818, by PcBytes

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PhilsComputerLab wrote:

The TNT2 M64 is a great card for the right games.

If you're looking at Quake 2, Expendable and Unreal, you will likely be disappointed.

But older games should run great on it. It has excellent compatibility with older games, for example Incoming is broken with anything newer than a TNT2. Forsaken, Shadows of the Empire and other older games should all run great.

Well,this is what I'd want to play on it:

3D:
Beetle Crazy Cup
NFS Porsche 2000
NFS2SE
NFS4
Tank Racer

2D:
Abe's Oddysee
Abe's Exoddus.

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