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Re: Bought these (retro) hardware today

Postby jaZz_KCS » 2018-2-08 @ 14:08

It uses FPM 80ns true parity (36bit?) proprietary SIMMs
There were 2, 4 and 8MB modules available.


ThinkWiki -->
"2MB fest eingebaut
Aufrüstbarkeit mit SIMM 80ns mit Parity auf 18M (2 Steckplätze à max. 8 MB) - es waren 1, 4 und 8 MB Module erhältlich
Maximal also 18MB"

There are a few restrictions, as for example you cant use 2x 4MB sticks, that simply doesn't work. So optimally I am looking for 8MB + 4MB or 8MB + 2MB, or even 8MB + 8MB. I would even be happy with one 8MB that works. But this machine is VERY picky.

If you put in 8MB + 8MB then together with the 2MB integrated it would have 18MB total, cutting off the last 2 to get down to 16MB to make it work with the machine.

More info

http://www.google.de/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=& ... L7hTdbLcyu

http://www.google.de/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=& ... RT0A5eNVE7
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Re: Bought these (retro) hardware today

Postby derSammler » 2018-2-08 @ 15:17

FPM with parity, 36-bit wouldn't be a problem, have many of these. But what else? 5V or 3.3V? Single bank or dual bank? (not to be confused with single-sided or doubled-sided)
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Re: Bought these (retro) hardware today

Postby derSammler » 2018-2-08 @ 15:50

Based on the larger notch that those modules are supposed to have, I found a 4 MB module. May have others, but have to check.
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Re: Bought these (retro) hardware today

Postby Bj0rn83 » 2018-2-08 @ 19:04

Bought this today at a local thrift store a Diamond Viper v550 4mb, maybe not so special but for 3 euro i couldn't resist not to buy. It came in a Mtek box probably the previous owner put this card in the box after a upgrade.

Maybe i going to use it for my pentium 2 233mmx build.

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Re: Bought these (retro) hardware today

Postby badmojo » 2018-2-08 @ 19:49

I love those eyewateringly ugly boxes from that era - so much colour!
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Re: Bought these (retro) hardware today

Postby keropi » 2018-2-08 @ 20:08

badmojo wrote:I love those eyewateringly ugly boxes from that era - so much colour!


Same here, they REALLY needed to convince you the included vga had a bazillion of colors :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Bought these (retro) hardware today

Postby meljor » 2018-2-08 @ 21:00

I believe those vipers came in 16mb and 8mb so i think that's a 8mb card?
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Re: Bought these (retro) hardware today

Postby jaZz_KCS » 2018-2-08 @ 21:06

derSammler wrote:Based on the larger notch that those modules are supposed to have, I found a 4 MB module. May have others, but have to check.


That would be very nice of you, I am trying to get more information.
All I could come up with so far is

- the original part numbers for 79F1003 (4MB) and 79F1004 (8MB)
- 80ns apparently
- FPM with parity
- bigger ("square"-)notches

Presence detect pins (pin67-70) for the original parts:

— — Gnd Gnd // 4MB 85ns 79F1003 (square notch) L40-SX
Gnd — Gnd Gnd // 8MB 80ns 79F1004 (square notch) L40-SX
Gnd Gnd Gnd Gnd // 2MB 85ns 79F1003 (square notch) L40SX
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Re: Bought these (retro) hardware today

Postby Bj0rn83 » 2018-2-08 @ 21:37

meljor wrote:I believe those vipers came in 16mb and 8mb so i think that's a 8mb card?

Yes your right, my mistake it's a 8mb :)

Hope it wil be a good combo with a 233mmx and a jetway993AN
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Re: Bought these (retro) hardware today

Postby appiah4 » 2018-2-08 @ 21:58

Jetway 993AN is a Slot-1/Socket370 combo board, no? How will you use an MMX CPU on that? The card is AGP, the MMX is Socket 7, you would need a Super Socket 7 board for that, and honestly, using SS7 AGP for just a Viper 550 is just too much trouble for no good reason, that card probably belongs on an early Celeron system..
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Re: Bought these (retro) hardware today

Postby Bj0rn83 » 2018-2-08 @ 22:06

I have a slot 1 233mmx processor
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Re: Bought these (retro) hardware today

Postby appiah4 » 2018-2-08 @ 22:59

Bj0rn83 wrote:I have a slot 1 233mmx processor


Were there MMX CPUs in Slot 1 packaging?
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Re: Bought these (retro) hardware today

Postby blurks » 2018-2-08 @ 23:13

Of course not.
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Re: Bought these (retro) hardware today

Postby CkRtech » 2018-2-08 @ 23:21

appiah4 wrote:
Bj0rn83 wrote:I have a slot 1 233mmx processor


Were there MMX CPUs in Slot 1 packaging?

All of them. :wink:
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Re: Bought these (retro) hardware today

Postby Bj0rn83 » 2018-2-08 @ 23:23

appiah4 wrote:
Bj0rn83 wrote:I have a slot 1 233mmx processor


Were there MMX CPUs in Slot 1 packaging?


It's 233mhz pentium ii slot 1 with mmx technology
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Re: Bought these (retro) hardware today

Postby cyclone3d » 2018-2-09 @ 01:53

So I picked up the little baby brother version of the Sony VAIO PCG-XG29 I posted about the other day.. which I am currently fixing up - had a crack in the back ventilation/support assembly and messed up clip.
Also swapped out the 18GB 4200RPM drive for a 32GB SSD by using an IDE to SATA adapter and trimming the SSD case so it would fit.

Anyway, BEHOLD! the tiny Sony VAIO PCG-141A.
Hope it works as it was untested due to the seller just picking it up to sell it and didn't have the power adapter to test.
Screen is 8.9" with a resolution of 1024x480
Weight is about 2.2 lbs (will be lighter once I swap out the stock drive with an SSD).
Video - ATI Rage Mobility 8MB
Sound - Yamaha DS-XG - I think it is the YMF744B-F, which is the same as the PCG-XG29 (YES, YES, YES.. awesome DOS support)
CPU - Crusoe TM5600 600 MHz
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Sony PCG-141A-side.jpg


Now look at this side... that "long" slot is the PCMCIA slot.. for size comparison to show how tiny this thing actually is.
Sony PCG-141A-side-2.jpg

Is this the ultimate small laptop for DOS/Win98?
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Re: Bought these (retro) hardware today

Postby CelGen » 2018-2-09 @ 05:50

Slowly.
It's one of those CPU's that have amazing power management but the clock speed does NOT compare to similar chips at the same speed. Windows 98se fully patched seems a bit sluggish but windows 2000 crawls.
Worth noting however that if you got a good install on it: Keep it. The drivers for the cool features like the scrollwheel, camera and wide LCD support are bundled with Sony's drivers. The downloads on their site last I checked were mainly updates that checked for existing drivers and software and if you don't have that, well then you're screwed as unless I've missed something Vaio recovery media this old is unobtanium.
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Re: Bought these (retro) hardware today

Postby cyclone3d » 2018-2-09 @ 06:01

CelGen wrote:Slowly.
It's one of those CPU's that have amazing power management but the clock speed does NOT compare to similar chips at the same speed. Windows 98se fully patched seems a bit sluggish but windows 2000 crawls.
Worth noting however that if you got a good install on it: Keep it. The drivers for the cool features like the scrollwheel, camera and wide LCD support are bundled with Sony's drivers. The downloads on their site last I checked were mainly updates that checked for existing drivers and software and if you don't have that, well then you're screwed as unless I've missed something Vaio recovery media this old is unobtanium.


MWAHAHAHAHA. The support ftp has everything from what I can tell. The files are just sorta named horribly.

ftp://ftp.vaio-link.com/pub/

Took me a few hours to sort out which sound driver package worked properly for the PCG-XG29, but I finally have sound fully working in Windows and DOS. And to top it off, the YMF744 chip is wired for PC-PCI so it should absolutely work with everything in DOS. :happy: :happy: :happy: :happy:

The WDM drivers for Windows suck. No hardware buffers or 3d sound for directsound. The VXDs work fine though.
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Re: Bought these (retro) hardware today

Postby Ozzuneoj » 2018-2-09 @ 06:11

Wow, that sounds like an awesome DOS laptop. Hopefully the Rage card doesn't give you any trouble. I have a feeling ATI's poor DOS support is blown out of proportion a bit by the famous DOS vga compatibility chart that shows lots of red boxes and not many green ones for all ATI cards, but I haven't had much experience with them myself.
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