Very nice!

Actually, not fair to say I "bought" since I was helping clean out my Paps' garage, and he found this in a corner; it was given to him and he never used it so said I could take it. I've been wanting a laptop for a long time so I'm curious to see if I can make any practical use of this.

Logistics wrote:

Actually, not fair to say I "bought" since I was helping clean out my Paps' garage, and he found this in a corner; it was given to him and he never used it so said I could take it. I've been wanting a laptop for a long time so I'm curious to see if I can make any practical use of this.

I didn't know that Digital made any notebooks, especially as late as Pentium era.
Doesn't seem too bad for retro purposes.
The best information I could find about this model is on http://inauspicious.org/hinote/
It should have a 1024x768 screen, Chips and Technologies CT65554 Graphics Card, 2mb RAM, ESS ES1688 Audiodrive sound card (SBPro compatible).
Should cover a lot of games.

Specs on the Digital HiNote Ultra 2000 series:
https://web.archive.org/web/19980626122806/ht … family_comp.asp

User's Guide:
http://manx.classiccmp.org/collections/mds-19 … pc/pf1wwuaa.pdf

Service Manual:
http://manx.classiccmp.org/collections/mds-19 … pc/pf1wwsrb.pdf

Drivers for the C&T video card (3.1, Win9x, NT, 2k):
https://web.archive.org/web/20010801220320/ht … .com/driver.htm
https://support.toshiba.ca/support/isg/driver … lay_drivers.htm

Looks like a real winner. I want one. 😀

Mau1wurf1977 wrote:

GeorgeMan wrote:

I prefer 6800GT's, because they were designed for AGP and don't have the PCI-E --> AGP conversion chip onboard. 😉

Yes but they are much harder to find! And expensive and somewhat more complex. The AGP 6600GT can be found online all the time and for little money. I haven't seen 6800GT for a long time. Not to mention for a good price...

Local market is an option of course. I'm waiting a guy to return from his holidays to buy this http://www.asus.com/Graphics_Cards/V9999GETD256M/ for 20euros.

It's likely to be unlocked to GT or even Ultra's pipeline count! 😁

GeorgeMan wrote:

Mau1wurf1977 wrote:

GeorgeMan wrote:

I prefer 6800GT's, because they were designed for AGP and don't have the PCI-E --> AGP conversion chip onboard. 😉

Yes but they are much harder to find! And expensive and somewhat more complex. The AGP 6600GT can be found online all the time and for little money. I haven't seen 6800GT for a long time. Not to mention for a good price...

Local market is an option of course. I'm waiting a guy to return from his holidays to buy this http://www.asus.com/Graphics_Cards/V9999GETD256M/ for 20euros.

It's likely to be unlocked to GT or even Ultra's pipeline count! 😁

Did you notice that one uses DDR3 memory while the other 6800 cards on the same page use GDDR3? That's a big limiting factor right there. Merely unlocking pipes may not give you the performance boost that you are expecting if it's starved for memory bandwith.

Original 6800GT used DDR(1), so no big deal there. And this is 6800 (not even GT), with ultra PCB.

What exactly is the bandwidth difference between 256bit DDR3 1GHz and 256bit GDDR3 1GHz?
It's not GDDR4-5 that is quadrupled.

GeorgeMan wrote:

Original 6800GT used DDR(1), so no big deal there. And this is 6800 (not even GT), with ultra PCB.

What exactly is the bandwidth difference between 256bit DDR3 1GHz and 256bit GDDR3 1GHz?
It's not GDDR4-5 that is quadrupled.

No it didn't, the 6800 GT came new with GDDR3. It was the lesser cards, like the 6800, the 6800 XT and 6800 LE that came with vanilla DDR memory. Oddly, the 6200 cards often came with DDR2...

You are right, but still my question is unanswered.
"What exactly is the bandwidth difference between 256bit DDR3 1GHz and 256bit GDDR3 1GHz? --> and 1GHz 256bit DDR I would add.

It surely not the same as today when comparing (G)DDR3 to GDDR5, which is quad rumpled.

GeorgeMan wrote:

You are right, but still my question is unanswered.
"What exactly is the bandwidth difference between 256bit DDR3 1GHz and 256bit GDDR3 1GHz? --> and 1GHz 256bit DDR I would add.

It surely not the same as today when comparing (G)DDR3 to GDDR5, which is quad rumpled.

I highly doubt the card actually has DDR3 as we have in desktops today, namely because that didn't exist in 2004 (DDR3 as we see it in desktops was first released in 2007, and was announced as being in development in 2005). It's likely a typo, and is instead GDDR3 (a lot of manufacturers, reviewers, etc will drop the "G" for graphics cards, despite them being very different standards). GDDR3 doubles the bandwidth per clock (vs DDR), and 4 *can* quadruple (but does not always; much like how GDDR2 can but does not always (e.g. on the 5800 Ultra, GDDR2 provides no clock doubling vs DDR on the 5900 Ultra, and the Radeon 2900 needs a 512-bit bus to provide similar bandwidth to the GDDR5 cards with 256-bit busses)), while GDDR5 always is quadruple (vs DDR).

Some clarification articles from Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GDDR3
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ddr3
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GDDR2#Relation_to_GDDR_memory

sliderider wrote:

6800 ULTRA! I got lucky and managed to pick up a rare eVGA 6800 Ultra Extreme. They only produced a small run of these and held a lottery to determine who would be allowed to buy one. The one I got was boxed but used and was missing one of the DVI to VGA adapters but those are easy enough to find. It didn't cost too much more than what a regular used in box 6800 Ultra was selling for at the time.

http://www.evga.com/articles/public.asp?aid=188

Very cool find! Does yours have any of the other accessories?

From a local online classified ad, I got two (what appears to be) rack mount industrial computers with a 14 ISA slot backplane and DC-DC (24VDC) AT power supply with an 8mb flash memory ISA board, ISA 8 port serial controller card, and an ISA 486DX266 SBC computer board with 8MB ram. Each case holds the exact same cards and they are made of solid steel so they are very heavy of course. There is some other ISA card that is in there that I have not yet identified, but I think it may be a controller card of some sort that is required to be used in conjunction with the flash memory card I believe, but I am not sure.

I am planning on retrofiting a custom drive cage to the front to install CD ROM, DVD ROM drives and a floppy drive to the front, since it appears that it will be impossible to track down an exact part number for this exact model of insustrial computer. Also I will be changing out the DC to DC power supply for a standard AT power supply (I dont want to mess around with voltage converters and AC to DC conversion). With the 14 ISA slots available on the backplane I am very tempted to start installing as many sound cards as I can fit in there (and as many that will be permitted by allocated resources (along with an IDE/FDD controller card, Video Card, and a joystick port card (CH Gamecard III))...I will most likely remove the cards in there right now and just use the SBC that is in there.

I did test everything with an AT power supply I have laying around and just a regular ISA SVGA Video card, and everything booted up just fine! It booted up off the flash drive. I will be adding this project to my huge list of pending projects and get to it as soon as I make some time. I guess I want to see how far I can take this project since I have so much room to work with.

GeorgeMan wrote:

Original 6800GT used DDR(1), so no big deal there. And this is 6800 (not even GT), with ultra PCB.

What exactly is the bandwidth difference between 256bit DDR3 1GHz and 256bit GDDR3 1GHz?
It's not GDDR4-5 that is quadrupled.

From experience of graphics cards and general as well cards from the time they used only DDR1 and GDDR3. The cheap cards used the older slower memory and everything that was actually high end got the GDDR3. The 450mhz 6800 Ultra only existed as Nvidia at the time was wanting to roll out a slightly faster edition of their 6800 line but found that most cards had issues above 420mhz or so. The 6800 Go Ultra had no issues at 450mhz and higher but it wasn't a TSMC produced chip but rather IBM on a old 130nm process.

In the end very rare card and it is full featured so nothing left to unlock as it is a higher clocked 6800 Ultra.

Today i received:

Aopen ax59pro via mvp3 super socket 7 (with k6-2 400)
A-trend atc 5220 via mvp3 super socket 7 (brand new with box etc.)
Asus p3b-f slot1, 1x isa (backup, had one already with 2x isa) came with celeron 500 and s370 adapter.

Msi ms-6168 slot1 board with onboard voodoo3 and p2-450 cpu, board has bulging caps so they need replacement.....ofcourse (always is the case for me when i see MSI boards)
But still a nice addition to my 3dfx collection of parts 😀

Not a bad score for 20 euro (need to test them though).

nforce4max wrote:

From experience of graphics cards and general as well cards from the time they used only DDR1 and GDDR3. The cheap cards used the older slower memory and everything that was actually high end got the GDDR3. The 450mhz 6800 Ultra only existed as Nvidia at the time was wanting to roll out a slightly faster edition of their 6800 line but found that most cards had issues above 420mhz or so. The 6800 Go Ultra had no issues at 450mhz and higher but it wasn't a TSMC produced chip but rather IBM on a old 130nm process.

Some GeForce 6200s came with DDR2; for example, this EVGA card. A lot of sellers still seem to have stocks of 6200s for AGP machines.

Also, nice haul there meljor!

GeorgeMan wrote:

You are right, but still my question is unanswered.
"What exactly is the bandwidth difference between 256bit DDR3 1GHz and 256bit GDDR3 1GHz? --> and 1GHz 256bit DDR I would add.

It surely not the same as today when comparing (G)DDR3 to GDDR5, which is quad rumpled.

http://www.differencebetween.net/technology/d … gddr3-and-ddr3/

Explains it all. GDDR3 does twice as much work as DDR3 because it is capable of simultaneous reads/writes within the same clock cycle.

Thanks!

https://www.dropbox.com/s/n9l6yqe18h6co4l/STB … 0Lightspeed.jpg

Tseng ET4000/W32P STB Lightspeed 2MB (45ns DRAM) VLB graphics card.

The VLB collection is getting pretty big!

obobskivich wrote:

I highly doubt the card actually has DDR3 as we have in desktops today, namely because that didn't exist in 2004 (DDR3 as we see it in desktops was first released in 2007, and was announced as being in development in 2005).

Here's a couple more 6800 cards with DDR3.

obobskivich wrote:

sliderider wrote:

6800 ULTRA! I got lucky and managed to pick up a rare eVGA 6800 Ultra Extreme. They only produced a small run of these and held a lottery to determine who would be allowed to buy one. The one I got was boxed but used and was missing one of the DVI to VGA adapters but those are easy enough to find. It didn't cost too much more than what a regular used in box 6800 Ultra was selling for at the time.

http://www.evga.com/articles/public.asp?aid=188

Very cool find! Does yours have any of the other accessories?

Well it has the Timbury sticker applied to it, but I've seen non Extreme cards that also had the Timbury sticker on them instead of the usual mermaid so not sure if that really means anything. Of course all the mail-in premiums like the rebate coupon have been used.

It was good day today...

Just got a complete atx miditower for 10 euro. All i wanted it for was the mainboard: Asus a7v333 (because it is compatible with the 3,3v voodoo`s)

Came with:

Fortron 250w psu (reliable psu`s and enough for retro`s)
Athlon 2000+ (don`t like these hot heads and have already a bunch of socket A cpu`s)
Geforce 4mx 440 (nice! finally a real mx440, i have a couple but they are all slow SE versions or 420 versions. this is much better for my needs)
Soundblaster audigy1 (nice bonus, love these)
60gb ide (nice, can use)
Lancard (always nice to have around)
dvd-rom
dvd-rw
basic beige atx

Separately found a barton 3000+ cpu which is the best this board can handle (paid 5 euro for this one)

Not sure if it's retro enough or not. It's based on 3 year old tech, so it might just slip by.

Stock photo 🤣

1st generation Sapphire R9 280x Vapor-X with the original Dual-X fans rather than the later Tri-X fans. R9 280X is HD7970 based so might just slip under the "vintage" bar since it's no longer current technology.