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very bad disc problem

Postby abyss » 2008-8-08 @ 20:50

I lost my secondary copy of need for speed high stakes. That was the copy I always keep in good condition so I tried the other copy I had of the game but while it is reading the disc it takes too long to read the data and when I checked the disc there were scratches all over. It's so bad I'm actually surprised it played that well with all of the scratches. How do I get rid of scratches. I'm playing it on the xp. It works with the secondary copy but I can't find it so I need to remove the scratches on the other copy. I enjoy the game so much that I have two copies just in case something goes wrong with one of the copies. I have it all patched up to make it run on xp. One to actually get it to run. I have the high poly patch and the serial number editor and a user made downloaded lada for the game all set up and ready to go. It worked with the other copy so I know there is no compatiability problems going on.
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Re: very bad disc problem

Postby DosFreak » 2008-8-08 @ 20:54

Why not just use a NOCD patch? or better yet why didn't you make an image of the CD ahead of time?
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Re: very bad disc problem

Postby abyss » 2008-8-08 @ 20:58

This is a cd game that needs a disk so playing with nocd would not work and what use would making a picture of the cd do for me.
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Re: very bad disc problem

Postby leileilol » 2008-8-08 @ 21:07

abyss wrote:what use would making a picture of the cd do for me.

holy crap lol
Voodoo2s aren't 100mhz stock
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386DX vs SX isn't about a missing FPU
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DOS PCs aren't better than the Macintosh
Old PCs aren't 'aesthetic'
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Re: very bad disc problem

Postby Davros » 2008-8-08 @ 21:18

abyss wrote:This is a cd game that needs a disk so playing with nocd would not work and what use would making a picture of the cd do for me.


/agrees with leileilol

what do you think a nocd patch does. The "nocd" is a clue, now I know its a little vague but have a guess :happyhappy:
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Re: very bad disc problem

Postby GL1zdA » 2008-8-08 @ 21:33

You can try Displex. Although it explicitly states on the it, that it is not intended for CD's, I gave it a try, and my badly scratched CD is like new. (The scratches prevented it being read by everything - more than a half of the songs were unplayable. After polishing it I ripped it with Exact Audio Copy and the copy was perfect - checksums were identical with the results of others ripping this CD).
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Re: very bad disc problem

Postby abyss » 2008-8-08 @ 21:50

So I can either take a picture of the disc and show the scratches here or use displex or a nocd patch
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Re: very bad disc problem

Postby crash. » 2008-8-09 @ 00:52

Making an image of the disk does not mean taking a picture of it. While not necessarily legal or allowed by the game publisher, there are programs that allow making a copy of a CD or DVD on the hard disk - this is called a disk image. The same, or other programs are used to then mount the disk image as a virtual CD. Examples of these programs include

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Clonecd
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Daemon Tools

Use of a disk image can allow the game to be played without the CD in the drive, or the ability to burn another CD if the original is destroyed.

If the disk is too damaged to image at this point, another possibility is to use a nocd patch or patched executable. These are hacked versions of the program that are intended to remove the need for a CD to be in the drive. The vast majority of modern PC games put all of the needed game data on the hard disk, and only use the CD to check if you own it. I personally find this annoying, since it means my hard disk space is used up AND I have to bother with the disk - one or the other please. I sometimes wish that PC games could also be just inserted and played like console games.

Patched/hacked executables are generally not allowed by the game publisher, and bypassing copy protection of any kind is illegal in the US (thanks to the Digital Millenium Copyright Act - DCMA, which incidentally steps on fair use rights and is therefore not very cool). There have been at least a few occasions where game publishers have actually encouraged the use of a nocd patch to overcome things like a copy protection system that only worked with Windows98, but not in XP. There was another instance I read about where a publisher released a hacker group's nocd patch as their own patch to remove the copy protection. Whoops!

One big caveat: many of the sites that host nocd patches also infect vulnerable web browsers with spyware, viruses, and trojans. Often, along with the nocd patch or hacked executable, an additional unrelated but infected program is included at no extra charge. Don't even consider looking for such a thing without a current and updated anti-virus, scan anything you download before running it, and do not use Internet Explorer.

Other (possibly questionable) options may include making a cd copy or image from a friend's NFS CD, or downloading a CD image from a file sharing system. Also be aware that with downloaded games from file sharing systems sometimes do not work, or have a virus included. Downloading copyrighted material may be illegal in some areas.

With regard to the scratches, there are products like "skip doctor", "game doctor", "cd doctor", or "dvd doctor" which are intended to repair disks by sanding the disk surface. Some stores that sell used games or dvds have one of these that they use on problem disks, so perhaps you can find a place that would be willing to run your disk through their skip doctor. Many game, music, and movie stores sell this kind of product too, but they are probably a lot more expensive than the game.

Incidentally, you can buy another NFS: HS on eBay for like $4.

Cheers!
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Re: very bad disc problem

Postby abyss » 2008-8-09 @ 10:13

I just found my record cleaner would that work with a cd maybe. It worked with a used copy of wcw thunder that I bought that would do tons of skipping during the music. I used it and now it's perfect.
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Re: very bad disc problem

Postby crash. » 2008-8-09 @ 22:55

Congratulations! Was this a CD cleaner pad or perhaps a cleaning solution product? I've seen several products claiming to fix CD skipping, but I would guess not all of them actually work.

While you have a working CD, you might want to try and make a backup copy or image.
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Re: very bad disc problem

Postby abyss » 2008-8-09 @ 23:23

It's a record cleaner so it's not actually for cd's. While not the best cleaning method for cd's it's still a useful method. I just found it.
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Re: very bad disc problem

Postby crash. » 2008-8-10 @ 01:24

Do you mean like a velour brush, or maybe a spray, or liquid? So do you think the problem with your disc was that it was dirty?
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Re: very bad disc problem

Postby abyss » 2008-8-10 @ 13:14

It's a big brush. It was dirty I guess. It's great that I can now play with the lada I downloaded for the game.
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Re: very bad disc problem

Postby crash. » 2008-8-11 @ 00:45

Great, well have fun!
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