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First post, by SPBHM

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I've owned both these Voodoo 2 8MB for a long time, my older card is working well, I can even OC it a little bit, the only major problem is overheating (if it overheats the image will fail, textures will have wrong colors and other issues, but, with a fan near the card it works stable "forever", even at 95MHz),
but the other card, which I acquired later (but, it was probably 10 years ago), after some testing on Quake 2 recently, I found out that it will freeze after maybe 5 minutes of gameplay, and I need to reboot the PC... keep in mind, this is 100% the same PC/software, apart from the card, now I underclocked it to 85MHz and it seemed to last longer, also the issue doesn't seem to be overheating,
so while inspecting the "bad" card, I noticed there is a small resistor soldered into it, and it doesn't look like something from factory... so my question is, have anyone ever seen this, and why would it be there!? (voltmod!?)

the card freezing also is a Rev A card, the "good" one is a Rev B

here is the resistor
n641og.jpg

and both cards together (the back)
http://i48.tinypic.com/2uemj4p.jpg
(the card with the "2298" is the one with the freezing problem and the resistor)

thanks

Reply 1 of 5, by Jepael

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The QS5244 is a buffer/driver with very low skew and very strong outputs. It is used to buffer important high speed signals like clocks around the board.

Based on GENDAC datasheets and card pictures the memory clock output is buffered and that line has the extra resistor attached, most likely to prevent ringing or signal reflections on the bus to make it work better or more reliably.

Hard to tell, because the component values can be different on different boards, and the boards seem to be of a bit different revision (-005 vs -006), whatever that means. It might mean there are PCB routing changes, or just BOM used so some component values are changed.

Is that resistor banding red-red-gray-black-brown? That would mean 228 ohms which might be a sane termination resistor value.

Last edited by Jepael on 2012-11-06, 16:40. Edited 1 time in total.

Reply 2 of 5, by vetz

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Just checked my Monster 3D II 8MB, and it's the B revision. No transistor at the place in the picture.

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Reply 3 of 5, by BigBodZod

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I bet this was indeed a factory hotfix before shipping and was corrected on the REV B boards.

However I can't confirm any on my end as I no longer have any Monster 3D boards.

No matter where you go, there you are...

Reply 4 of 5, by SPBHM

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Jepael wrote:
The QS5244 is a buffer/driver with very low skew and very strong outputs. It is used to buffer important high speed signals like […]
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The QS5244 is a buffer/driver with very low skew and very strong outputs. It is used to buffer important high speed signals like clocks around the board.

Based on GENDAC datasheets and card pictures the memory clock output is buffered and that line has the extra resistor attached, most likely to prevent ringing or signal reflections on the bus to make it work better or more reliably.

Hard to tell, because the component values can be different on different boards, and the boards seem to be of a bit different revision (-005 vs -006), whatever that means. It might mean there are PCB routing changes, or just BOM used so some component values are changed.

Is that resistor banding red-red-gray-black-brown? That would mean 228 ohms which might be a sane termination resistor value.

thanks for the answers,
indeed the cards are a bit different, but apart from the memory chips, some markings, the PCB color tone and the strange resistor they look pretty much the same, so you think this could be some fix made by the factory (as a correction)?

about the color of the rings, I actually have a hard time identifying
it looks to me like brown, green (but pretty dark, maybe black!?), gold, red, red
http://i50.tinypic.com/25ho7f8.jpg
http://i47.tinypic.com/14v1cnm.jpg

now the front of the cards
http://i48.tinypic.com/nmers9.jpg

vetz wrote:

Just checked my Monster 3D II 8MB, and it's the B revision. No transistor at the place in the picture.

my rev B card also don't have the resistor in that place
but this rev A card also doesn't
http://www.vgamuseum.info/index.php/palcals-c … d-monster-3d-ii

BigBodZod wrote:

I bet this was indeed a factory hotfix before shipping and was corrected on the REV B boards.

However I can't confirm any on my end as I no longer have any Monster 3D boards.

now, I found this
http://www.3dfx.ch/gallery/v/3dfx_collectors/ … CN0107.JPG.html
http://www.3dfx.ch/gallery/v/3dfx_collectors/ … CN0104.JPG.html

the upper card seems to be exactly the same as mine (memory chips and all), it has the resistor soldered into the same place, so it makes sense.

so the card probably was shipped with the resistor already there,
and this would probably mean that it's not related to the problem I have (freezing on quake II) with my rev A 2298 card

I thought this could have been an unsuccessful attempt to fix a problem made by someone, or a mod for better overclocking, so it could be related to the problem... oh well,

is there any software recommended as a good test for V2 stability? I found Q2 probably the easiest to always reproduce the freezing, but in some other games the card looked stable...