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First post, by Stojke

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I cant find out how much do these rams have in size, nor can i find out what do all those 4m x 1 / 16x x 4 etc mean.

I have:

4x 30 PINN SIMM RAM
That have 8x SIEMENS HYB514100BJ-50 GERMANY

1x 30 PINN SIMM RAM
That have 8x 814100H-70

Reply 1 of 14, by Old Thrashbarg

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Those are all 4MB SIMMs.

Determining capacity from the numbers on chips is pretty simple. When you look at something like "4m x 1" it actually means 4 megabits, by 1 bit wide... it's easier to think of it in terms of columns, you have 1 column with a capacity of 4 megabits. There are 8 bits in a byte, so you divide the 4 megabits (4096 kilobits) by 8, to get 512 kilobytes. You have 8 of those 512KB chips on the SIMM, which add up to give you a total of 4MB.

Another common chip, often found on old video cards, is the 256k x 4. That means 4 columns of 256 kilobits each, giving you a total of 1 megabit (1024 kilobits). Divide that by 8 to convert it to bytes, for 128 kilobytes per chip.

You'll probably notice that on 8 bit chips, it works out more directly. The math is the same, it's just that the steps happen to cancel out. For example, a 32mb x 8 chip is 32 megabytes... it's 32 times 8, divided back by 8.

Last edited by Old Thrashbarg on 2012-12-26, 20:17. Edited 1 time in total.

Reply 2 of 14, by Stojke

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Oh, i thought it was something like that, now i understand fully, thanks!
Also, the fastest 30 PIN SIMMs were 50ns, right?

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Reply 3 of 14, by Old Thrashbarg

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I'd imagine so. I've actually never seen any 30 pin SIMMs faster than 60ns, and even those are fairly uncommon... the 50ns ones must be pretty rare.

Reply 5 of 14, by Old Thrashbarg

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Yep, 16MB is as high as they go. And that's not an arbitrary number... they use 24-bit addressing, which can't recognize anything more than 16MB per SIMM.

Reply 7 of 14, by Tetrium

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Old Thrashbarg wrote:

I'd imagine so. I've actually never seen any 30 pin SIMMs faster than 60ns, and even those are fairly uncommon... the 50ns ones must be pretty rare.

I barely even found any 50ns 72p SIMMs. All I once saw was a pair of 8MB 72p SIMMs that were 50ns. The rest were always 60ns or slower.
Never even knew 50ns 30p SIMMs existed!

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Reply 9 of 14, by Tetrium

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Stojke wrote:

Heh 😁
Want me to take a picture of them?

Please do! 😁

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Reply 10 of 14, by Stojke

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Sure thing! I will update the first post as soon as i get batteries for my photo camera 😀
I have contacted the guy that sold them to me over a message to see if he has any more.

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Reply 14 of 14, by Jolaes76

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Totally true, even around these parts (180 miles to the north of Serbia) the 60ns SIMMS go for about 4 USD A PIECE - that is 16 for a "kit". All sellers who know the goods ask this price at least.
Chances are better with people who do not even WANT to know the content of "bundles" they are selling - but then you need razor-sharp pictures or each item, which they usually do not provide. Then you ask them to post good pics or spell out the serials - potential buyers will swam in an instant and push the bids sky-high 😢
(I only have 3 16MB kits, so I am using 1 kit in my Amd 386 and keep the rest as spare.)

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