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First post, by silentwulf

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Looking around online for a replacement VGA card for a 486 I just acquired, and to say the least, I've got dozens of variations to choose from.

WDC, Hercules, Oak, ATI, Creative Labs "ShareVision", Cirrus, etc....
I never did much work with old ISA GPU's back in the very early 90s, and would like to hear advice on any brand preference, for those who recognize these different products? Any recommendations?

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_udlo=9.18&LH_ … =isa+video+card

Reply 3 of 62, by idspispopd

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That might depend on what you are looking for.
Which of the following is important to you?
- Compatibility for DOS games
- Speed in DOS
- Speed in Windows 3.x (ie. GUI acceleration)
- installed RAM (unfortunately this is not specified in most of the auctions so one would have to guess from the pictures)

From personal experience I can say that the WD90c31 (aka Paradise) is extremely fast for an ISA bus. I'd say it saturates the ISA bus and will even profit from overclocking the ISA bus (I used to do this). Compatibility was fine, I can't remember a game that had obvious video glitches.
But this seems to be one of the more expensive cards.

Reply 4 of 62, by silentwulf

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A combination between speed/compatibility for DOS games is ideal.

The current GPU installed is....glitchty. I have noticed slowdowns in games (Jazz Jackrabbit), with a 33MHz CPU, and PLENTY of memory. I'd like to blame the GPU, since it's easy to replace.

Other times, the colors become rather psychedelic...along with visual garbage appearing on the screen.

Reply 5 of 62, by elianda

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Get a card with at least 512 kB and VESA 1.0x BIOS (or available driver) and min. 50 MHz DAC, min. 256 color DAC.
As idspispopd noted a PVGA1D is already quite good.
Other options would be a ET4000, a CL-GD5422 (like the AVGA3) or 5420, Trident TVGA9000i is probably also ok.

A bonus would be if the card has a HiColor(15/16 bit) or TruColor(24 bit) DAC with 66 or even 80 MHz, 1 MB Video RAM. You may need an extra utility for high resolution modes to enable 60 Hz.
f.e. for 1024x768 256 color SVGA mode default is 43 Hz interlaced, which no normal TFT will display.

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Reply 7 of 62, by badmojo

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I think ET4000AX is the tseng ISA chipset, and it gets my vote too! Compatibility is good and it looks amazing compared to others I've tried.

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Reply 8 of 62, by Anonymous Coward

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What, nobody likes S3 805? What about the ATi VGA Wonder XL or 1024 series?

Was WD paradise really that good? I never liked the look of them.

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Reply 10 of 62, by RacoonRider

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Trident 8900D, Trident 9000 are OK and can be found anywhere in surprisingly high quantities for (almost) free. Never had any trouble with them.

Reply 13 of 62, by Mau1wurf1977

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silentwulf wrote:

What makes the ET4000AX stand out? Is the 1mb VRAM standard on the original ISA model?

It was legendary for being a very fast, for long the fastest, card for DOS gaming performance. Often recommended for games and therefore used by many game developers.

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Reply 14 of 62, by vetz

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Wasn't the AX version the cheapest card of the 4000 series? Thought it was the 4000W32 versions that was the best ones.

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Reply 15 of 62, by elianda

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The W32 is rarer as ISA version and Win32 GDI acceleration gives no benefit in DOS.

And ET4000 is fast but not the fastest. There are chipsets that are faster like the late Cirrus Logic chipsets.
Like the Spea V7 Vega: http://mail.lipsia.de/~enigma/neu/pics/v7_vega.jpg

Oh and Acumos2 chipset is also fast.

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Reply 16 of 62, by noshutdown

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and how fast is the ati mach64 isa? its one of the latest isa cards, and probably the only isa video card with 4mb vram(that version is rare as hell though, i only have one with 2mb dram).

Reply 17 of 62, by Mau1wurf1977

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If you're doing stuff that required 4MB vram, I think you are using the wrong machine if you have one with only ISA slots 😀

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Reply 18 of 62, by idspispopd

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So, back to reality.
Silentwulf wants to play DOS games with a 486-33. So most games would run in low resolution, maybe 640x480x8bit for strategy games or adventures.
So either 256kB or at most 512kB of RAM should be sufficient. I doubt that HiColor or TrueColor would be necessary, equally an especially fast DAC.
A Tseng ET4000 would of course be great of course.

Some comments on the cards in the Ebay search:

About those Realtek cards: I can't remember hearing about these but they seem to be legit. Can't say if they are good but they seem to be the cheapest. There is some information about these on vgamuseum.info so it might be possible to determine the exact models.

OAK: AFAIR somewhat mediocre, but not terrible.

UMC: Similar to Realtek. There is only one model listed on vgamuseum which has a slightly different chip designation but a similar design.

WDC: As I said those should be rather nice, and the WD90C11 (visible when zooming in the image) should be as fast in DOS as the WD90C31. (Compare http://www.vgamuseum.info/index.php/benchmarks/308-diag and http://www.vgamuseum.info/index.php/benchmark … tware-rendering.

@Anonymous Coward: Yes, the WD90C31 was very fast. On a 386DX-40 and 8MHz ISA bus a MOVSD loop would transfer roughly 8MB/sec to the card, when overclocking the PCI bus by changing the divider from /5 to /4 or even /3 the performance scaled proportionally (benchmarked it myself). At the time we had this card in our family computer I wasn't even aware how fast that was for ISA.
About S3 and ATI: Those cards are not in silentwulf's Ebay search, I don't doubt they are good though. Still their advantage is probably in GUI acceleration.

Cirrus Logic: Generally quite fast, though a CL-GD5401 like in one offer (again zooming into the image) is not at the top of the ISA cards. Check the actual model in the benchmarks.

Real Magic: I doubt that this is a VGA card, might be a special purpose card for MPEG, at least that's what I associate with the name.

Trident: Generally fine, although according to the mentioned benchmarks there seem to big speed differences in very similar named cards/chips.

ACUMOS AVGA1: Quite fast according to the benchmarks, but not at the very top.
CHIPS: Don't really know, but a very similar named card is at the bottom of the Quake 1 list.

ATI: The VGA 640 seems to be quite an old model and not very fast.

Sigma Design: Again I suspect an MPEG card or similar.

Creative Labs: This already says "Capture Card".

Quadcolor: Doesn't have a VGA connector, huge amount of chips, probably very old for TTL. Maybe even CGA.

Hercules: Monochrome card, not VGA. (All actual Hercules chips are
pre-VGA. They later built cards with chips from other manufactures.)

Blastronix: Don't know what that thing is, surely not a VGA card.

Reply 19 of 62, by elianda

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idspispopd wrote:
So, back to reality. Silentwulf wants to play DOS games with a 486-33. So most games would run in low resolution, maybe 640x480x […]
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So, back to reality.
Silentwulf wants to play DOS games with a 486-33. So most games would run in low resolution, maybe 640x480x8bit for strategy games or adventures.
So either 256kB or at most 512kB of RAM should be sufficient. I doubt that HiColor or TrueColor would be necessary, equally an especially fast DAC.
A Tseng ET4000 would of course be great of course.

I just wrote HiColor and fast DAC would be a bonus, not that it is required. For SVGA 640x480 at 256 colors you need 512 kB on the card.
256 kB cards can do 800x600 at 16 colors, but thats already SVGA and not relevant for games.

I did some benches myself in 2007 with this results:

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Karte 320x200 640x480 no stuttering with Keen4?

V7 Vega ISA 9 - +
http://mail.lipsia.de/~enigma/neu/pics/cl_vga.jpg

Paradise PVGA1A ISA 23 - +
http://mail.lipsia.de/~enigma/neu/pics/pvga1a.jpg

WDC90C11 ISA 32 9 +

ET4000AX ISA 14 3 mit VESA 1.2 von SC2000 +
3 mit UniVBE 6.70
http://mail.lipsia.de/~enigma/neu/pics/et4000.jpg

andere ET4000AX 32 9 UniVBE6.70 +
1 MB 34 UniVBE 6.70

Trident
TVGA 8800C 512kB 17 +

Papilio G1-2 PCI 37 9 +
(Weitek P9100)
http://mail.lipsia.de/~enigma/neu/pics/papilio_ultracad.jpg

S3 Trio64 PCI 81 24 +
86C764-P
S3 Trio64 PCI 88 27 +
86C764X
http://mail.lipsia.de/~enigma/neu/pics/s3trio64.jpg

S3 Trio64V+ PCI 83 23 +
S3 Trio64V+ PCI 90 28 +
86C765
http://mail.lipsia.de/~enigma/neu/pics/winner1000.jpg

Oak Spitfire PCI 66 21 +
http://mail.lipsia.de/~enigma/neu/pics/oak_spitfire.jpg

Ati Mach64 PCI 70 29 mit UNiVBE 6.70 -
http://mail.lipsia.de/~enigma/neu/pics/ati_mach64.jpg

ATI RAGE Pro PCI 80 29 -
http://mail.lipsia.de/~enigma/neu/pics/rageproturbo.jpg

ATI RAGE 128 PCI 91 30 +

Elsa Victory Erazor 84 32 +
(Riva128 NV3) PCI
http://mail.lipsia.de/~enigma/neu/pics/elsa_victory_erazor.jpg

Avance Logic
ALG2301.A 81 28 UniVBE 6.70 +
http://mail.lipsia.de/~enigma/neu/pics/v7vega.jpg

ALG2301.B 76 28 UniVBE 6.70 +

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ALG2564             90             32             +
http://mail.lipsia.de/~enigma/neu/pics/gaia.jpg

Karte 320x200 640x480 800x600 no stuttering with Keen4?

Hercules Dynamite 128/Video
TSENG ET6000 PCI 90 36 25 +
http://mail.lipsia.de/~enigma/neu/pics/et6000.jpg

Matrox Millenium
MGA2064W PCI 90 34 22 -
http://mail.lipsia.de/~enigma/neu/pics/matrox_millenium.jpg

Cirrus Logic PCI 71 23 16 +
GD5440 1MB
http://mail.lipsia.de/~enigma/neu/pics/cl_gd5440.jpg

Trident 65 25 17 +
TGUI9440 1MB
http://mail.lipsia.de/~enigma/neu/pics/tgui9440.jpg

Cirrus Logic ISA 32 9 4 +
GD5420 AVGA2 1MB 34 UniVBE 6.70
http://mail.lipsia.de/~enigma/neu/pics/cl_gd5420.jpg

::: AMD K6-III 166 MHz

ET4000 ISA 1MB 32 8 UniVBE
43 UniVBE


::: Core2 Duo 2.66 GHz on a nForce590SLI Mainboard

Karte 320x200 640x480 800x600 no stuttering with Keen4?

Hercules Dynamite 128/Video
TSENG ET6000 404? 83 58 +

Matrox Millenium
MGA2064W 333? 71 46 -

Elsa Victory Erazor 404? 89 57 +

Weitek P9100 PCI 64 16 10 +

GF7950GX2 PCIe 548? 145 99

Spea Mirage P64 333? 80 49
86C764X

Spea Mirage P64 333? 80 49
86C764-P

Elsa Winner1000 333? 88 51
86C765

Diamond Stealth64/V 333? 76 47
86C765

AvanceLogic 333? 88 56
ALG 2564

Ati Rage128 333 60 30
320x200 im VBE2.0 Modus: 70

Ati Mach64 333 49 29

Oak Spitfire 207 44 27

So early ET4000s are still slow, the PVGAs are overall good with increasing speed with Revision. Fullscreen Action at SVGA modes like 640x480x256 only for slow paced games as SC2000, as they reach only 9 fps in Duke3D.
I did this nearly 6 years ago, so the other ISA cards featured in my gallery are not in, but I could do some additional tests with vidspeed f.e. if requested.
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