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First post, by Dant

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So, out of mere curiosity, I've taken to doing a bit of research on the PICMG 1.0 based single board computer stuff, and, if the prices weren't absolutely outrageous, it would be a bit interesting to have, more or less, fully modular CPU/chipset combos in one machine that we could switch out to solve speed issues/have faster that usual CPUs with ISA hardware.

Now this has certain disadvantages:
You're not going to mix PCI-E and ISA, ever it seems

No AGP support, with the only exception being an SBC that has a 'mini' AGP card slot on it, so only AGP cards made for a very little, and generally portable, uses, hard to find cards for, interface.

Due to the 'backplane' nature of these boards, I have a feeling that I/O bus saturation may be very, very easy to cause, probably limiting the usefulness of them.

Cost. Around $200 for a given SBC. At least backplanes are <100

That said, the CPU ranges are absolutely insane, ranging from 486s
http://www.ebay.com/itm/AAEON-SBC-492-full-si … =item3f17f7974a
to early Core 2 CPUs.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Advantech-PCA-6194G2- … =item2ec0eba59f
and if you're willing to drop the PCI support, then you can go as low as a 386SX.

Even some exotic stuff, like Socket 8, Dual Slot 1, dual socket 370 w/ 440BX, dual socket 601, and some Geode and other specialized embedded x86 stuff, like this one 486 compatible that took DDR, that I saw, that would be interesting to play with.

The backplanes usually give favorable amounts of expansion.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/ICS-PCI-14p12-15-slot … =item5d36e9ed7b
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Portwell-pbp-14A7-14- … =item41702a7fab
So, there is that advantage.

Has anyone attempted to do a build with SBC/PICMG hardware? Or was the cost too much to justify it?

Reply 1 of 3, by luckybob

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I have a few pieces. Mostly acquired completely by chance. I have 2 sbcs, 2 large and 1 tiny back-plane. One of the 2 sbcs I have is pc/104 capable as well. It actually used to be my home server. Now it has developed a few bulging caps and was retired.

It is a mistake to think you can solve any major problems just with potatoes.

Reply 2 of 3, by Dant

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luckybob wrote:

I have a few pieces. Mostly acquired completely by chance. I have 2 sbcs, 2 large and 1 tiny back-plane. One of the 2 sbcs I have is pc/104 capable as well. It actually used to be my home server. Now it has developed a few bulging caps and was retired.

Interesting. What kind of CPUs/Chipsets were they?

Reply 3 of 3, by luckybob

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1 is a pentium pro 440FX chipset. I've actually NEVER even turned it on. I got it because it came with 4x 64mb fpm simms and well, its been sitting in a box for years.

#2 i actually used for a long time, I forget the chipset, I know it was an intel. I want to say 440bx. socket 370 max 8.5x100 cpu. It came in a "pizzabox" setup and while I've long since tossed the case I kept everything else. It looks almost identical to this: http://www.rackmount.com/SBC/SBC-630.htm except mine only has 1 10/100 and no scsi. 🙁

It is a mistake to think you can solve any major problems just with potatoes.