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Good one? has yahama ymf2, better than awe64? worth it ?
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Dodgy...
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Dodgy...
Im getting it from a local oldy stuff store, but it's a little priced (twice AWE64's price) worth it? works on w2k?
I always go by this rule.
DOS: ISA
Windows: PCI
What do you mean by PCI? It's a ISA card...
I'm not familiar with it, but WSS isn't really a standard that seemed to be common in DOS games I played. And I'm not sure how good the SB compatibility of that card is. So as indicated by its name, the better sampling rate compared to SB is perhaps more useful in Windows. AWE64 might be the better choice.
For Windows I recommend PCI cards and for DOS I recommend ISA.
wrote:What do you mean by PCI? It's a ISA card...
I'm not familiar with it, but WSS isn't really a standard that seemed to be common in DOS games I played. And I'm not sure how good the SB compatibility of that card is. So as indicated by its name, the better sampling rate compared to SB is perhaps more useful in Windows. AWE64 might be the better choice.
Sure AWE64 it's a better card all around, but I've found with time that having many different sound cards gives you quite differents audio-experiencies in sound-quality, n it's funnier (love the power of my PAS16 over my gold awe64). But this one it's like 25 bucks...😖
WINDOWS SOUND SYSTEMS ARE TERRIBLE (well the Crystal+OPTi variants i've tried anyway)
they often have poor dos gaming support (always needs an emulation TSR) and they're even bad when they're used with some games' drivers for MSS/WSS. They also rarely feature Directsound support (some do, most don't)
Having OPL3 a standard is probably their only saving grace. WSS cards generally are cheaply made, will sound noisy and will have spotty compatibility. Don't say I didn't warn you! None of them are better than the PAS16 or AWE64.
wrote:WINDOWS SOUND SYSTEMS ARE TERRIBLE
Well, no, not really. At least not all of them.
Apart from the original Microsoft WSS cards, WSS is more like a "standard" like SoundBlaster compatibility. The MWSS piportill4 showed us was pretty good at the time it was released, as it had a clean analog output signal and featured 44kHz/16bit playback, something the contemporary SBPro couldn't do. But it was meant as a "professional" office audio solution and thus was not SB compatible at first (It needs a TSR).
Concerning all the other WSS compatible cards: Some work very well for me in both DOS and Windows, e.g. Crystal CS423X based cards, and do not need any TSRs. Others, like the opti cards you mentioned, don't. But that's not the WSS codec fault (AD1848 or CS4231 on most opti-92x cards), as the opti "sound controller" is responsible for SB compatibility.
leileilol: I'm taking your advice 4 good. What i dont like about this card it's has so few caps (2 litic and bunch smd) i've doubt about its quality
wrote:leileilol: I'm taking your advice 4 good. What i dont like about this card it's has so few caps (2 litic and bunch smd) i've doubt about its quality
No offense, but that's an unfounded opinion. It has lots of tantalum SMD capacitors, which in fact were better than using electrolytics at the time as they didn't have quite the high-frequency nor low-impedance characteristics which are much more common in electrolytics, now.
I actually purchased one of these at a local surplus place for $3 just for novelty sake. I do look forward to trying it out, and I will replace the output capacitors with new bipolar electrolytics which are bypassed by polypropylene films.
wrote:wrote:leileilol: I'm taking your advice 4 good. What i dont like about this card it's has so few caps (2 litic and bunch smd) i've doubt about its quality
No offense, but that's an unfounded opinion. It has lots of tantalum SMD capacitors, which in fact were better than using electrolytics at the time as they didn't have quite the high-frequency nor low-impedance characteristics which are much more common in electrolytics, now.
I actually purchased one of these at a local surplus place for $3 just for novelty sake. I do look forward to trying it out, and I will replace the output capacitors with new bipolar electrolytics which are bypassed by polypropylene films.
Yep Logistics, there are bunch of smd, but not a lot. I didnt know that fact about lytics ones. My unfounded opinion is just my twisted mind that likes to see caps like in this http://mail.lipsia.de/~enigma/neu/pics/gus34.jpg
By the way Logistics, do you have one WSS? you like it?
I have a Microsoft Windows Sound System card.
It is a non-PnP card that has a genuine YMF262 chip and a 16-bit PCM part incompatible with Sound Blaster standard. Gets detected well by Windows 98SE. I didn't find that card very noisy.
The thing is that WSS PCM standard is not very widely supported in DOS games (albeit MSS 3.0+ and HMI SOS libraries do provide such support). Neither onboard sample-based synth, nor the daughterboard header is present.
Thus what you indubitably get from the card in DOS is OPL3 synthesis only. I wouldn't recommend it for DOS gaming.
wrote:I have a Microsoft Windows Sound System card. […]
I have a Microsoft Windows Sound System card.
It is a non-PnP card that has a genuine YMF262 chip and a 16-bit PCM part incompatible with Sound Blaster standard. Gets detected well by Windows 98SE. I didn't find that card very noisy.
The thing is that WSS PCM standard is not very widely supported in DOS games (albeit MSS 3.0+ and HMI SOS libraries do provide such support). Neither onboard sample-based synth, nor the daughterboard header is present.
Thus what you indubitably get from the card in DOS is OPL3 synthesis only. I wouldn't recommend it for DOS gaming.
NT compatible?
I don't know, and have no NT to test.
Hardware comparisons and game system requirements: https://technical.city
wrote:I don't know, and have no NT to test.
Wow, are you a pure Win98 man? 😁
wrote:wrote:I don't know, and have no NT to test.
Wow, are you a pure Win98 man? 😁
OS/2 Forever!!!! 😁
I say, give it a pass. (The WSS) 😉
Other than for historical purposes and for the "kick" in choosing the Windows Sound System as an option in games, you're better off with a real Creative or GUS card.
Yep Logistics, there are bunch of smd, but not a lot. I didnt know that fact about lytics ones. My unfounded opinion is just my twisted mind that likes to see caps like in this http://mail.lipsia.de/~enigma/neu/pics/gus34.jpg
By the way Logistics, do you have one WSS? you like it?
I have the card, but havent tried it, yet. Or do you mean the MSS speaker system?
And you're right, it doesn't have lots of smd, but I meant to suggest that it has SMD tantalums in places you would expect to see a 'lytic filter cap.
