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Reply 20 of 25, by sliderider

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Gamecollector wrote:
As a long time user of ATi Radeon X850 PE Agp and WinME... 1) There is an official Win9x support through the standard Catalyst d […]
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As a long time user of ATi Radeon X850 PE Agp and WinME...
1) There is an official Win9x support through the standard Catalyst driver pack. The last version with Win9x support is 6.2.
2) Still the card/drivers are bugged with standard ATi failures. Like a wrong negative blending, a table fog "support" etc...
3) The drivers aren't working with HT=on (freezing), you must disable the hyperthreading in BIOS.

I have used this card in the test PC for the nGlide Win9x compatibility table. Unfortunatedly this card have died from soldering troubles...

AMD doesn't mention this on the driver download page. In fact, when you use the dropdown menus to tell the website what card you have, entering x800 only pulls up results going back as far as 2k.

http://support.amd.com/en-us/download

Choose Desktop Graphics--->Radeon X series--->Radeon X8xx Series and when you get to the last drop down, there is no selection for Windows 98

And the release notes for Catalyst 6.2 say this

Operating systems supported

The latest version of the Catalyst® software suite is designed to support the following Microsoft Windows platforms:

Windows XP
Windows XP Media Center Edition (graphics driver support only)
Windows 2000

Reply 22 of 25, by swaaye

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Ok so in the driver .INF of the Win9x Catalyst 6.2 package that is supposedly only for cards of 9000 series and older, we have:

"RADEON X800" = R420_ENU, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_4A4B&SUBSYS_00021002
"RADEON X800 PRO" = R420_ENU, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_4A49&SUBSYS_00021002
"RADEON X800 PRO Secondary" = R420_ENU, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_4A69&SUBSYS_00031002
"RADEON X800 Secondary" = R420_ENU, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_4A6B&SUBSYS_00031002
"RADEON X800 XT Platinum Edition" = R420_ENU, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_4A50&SUBSYS_00021002
"RADEON X800 XT Platinum Edition Secondary" = R420_ENU, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_4A70&SUBSYS_00031002
"ASUS Extreme AX300SE/T 128MB" = RV370_ENU, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_5B60&SUBSYS_002A1043
"ASUS Extreme AX300SE/T 128MB - Secondary" = RV370_ENU, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_5B70&SUBSYS_002B1043
"ASUS Extreme AX600XT-TD 128M" = RV380_ENU, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_3E50&SUBSYS_001E1043
"ASUS Extreme AX600XT-TD 128M - Secondary" = RV380_ENU, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_3E70&SUBSYS_001F1043
"Gigabyte RADEON X300 128MB" = RV370_ENU, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_5B60&SUBSYS_21021458
"Gigabyte RADEON X300 128MB - Secondary" = RV370_ENU, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_5B70&SUBSYS_21031458
"Gigabyte RADEON X300 SE 128MB" = RV370_ENU, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_5B60&SUBSYS_21021458
"Gigabyte RADEON X300 SE 128MB - Secondary" = RV370_ENU, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_5B70&SUBSYS_21031458
"GIGABYTE RADEON X600 PRO 128MB - Secondary" = RV380_ENU, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_3E70&SUBSYS_21011458
"GIGABYTE RADEON X600XT 128M Secondary" = RV380_ENU, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_3E70&SUBSYS_21011458
"GIGABYTE RADEON X600XT 128MB" = RV380_ENU, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_3E50&SUBSYS_21001458
"ABIT RADEON X600XT 128M" = RV380_ENU, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_3E50&SUBSYS_0001147B
"ABIT RADEON X600XT 128M Secondary" = RV380_ENU, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_3E70&SUBSYS_0000147B
"C.P. Technologies Inc. RADEON X300SE" = RV370_ENU, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_5B60&SUBSYS_2089148C
"C.P. Technologies Inc. RADEON X600 PRO 256MB" = RV370_ENU, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_5B62&SUBSYS_2083148C
"C.P. Technologies Inc. RADEON X600 PRO 256MB - Secondary" = RV370_ENU, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_5B72&SUBSYS_2082148C
"RADEON X300 Series Secondary" = RV370_ENU, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_5B70&SUBSYS_2088148C
"SAPPHIRE RADEON X300SE 128MB" = RV370_ENU, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_5B60&SUBSYS_0500174B
"SAPPHIRE RADEON X300SE 128MB - Secondary" = RV370_ENU, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_5B70&SUBSYS_0501174B
"SAPPHIRE RADEON X300SE 128MB PCI-E" = RV370_ENU, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_5B60&SUBSYS_0440174B
"SAPPHIRE RADEON X300SE 128MB PCI-E - Secondary" = RV370_ENU, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_5B60&SUBSYS_0441174B
"Sapphire RADEON X600 PRO 256MB" = RV370_ENU, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_5B62&SUBSYS_0450174B
"Sapphire RADEON X600 PRO 256MB Secondary" = RV370_ENU, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_5B72&SUBSYS_0451174B
"GeCube RADEON X300 PCIE 128M" = RV370_ENU, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_5B60&SUBSYS_060018BC
"GeCube RADEON X300 PCIE 128M Secondary" = RV370_ENU, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_5B70&SUBSYS_060118BC
"GeCube RADEON X300SE 128M" = RV370_ENU, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_5B60&SUBSYS_040018BC
"GeCube RADEON X300SE 128M Secondary" = RV370_ENU, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_5B70&SUBSYS_040118BC
"Celestica "Gold Edition" RADEON X300" = RV370_ENU, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_5B60&SUBSYS_002E18D4
"Celestica "Gold Edition" RADEON X300 - Secondary" = RV370_ENU, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_5B70&SUBSYS_002F18D4
"Celestica "Gold Edition" RADEON X600 Series 128MB" = RV380_ENU, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_3E50&SUBSYS_002A18D4
"Celestica "Gold Edition" RADEON X600 Series 128MB Secondary" = RV380_ENU, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_3E70&SUBSYS_002B18D4
"RADEON X300 Series" = RV370_ENU, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_5B60
"RADEON X300 Series Secondary " = RV370_ENU, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_5B70
"RADEON X550" = RV370_ENU, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_5B63
"RADEON X550 Secondary" = RV370_ENU, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_5B73
"RADEON X600 Series" = RV380_ENU, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_3E50
"RADEON X600 Series " = RV370_ENU, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_5B62
"RADEON X600 Series Secondary" = RV380_ENU, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_3E70
"RADEON X600 Series Secondary " = RV370_ENU, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_5B72
"RADEON X800 PRO/GTO" = R420_ENU, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_4A49
"RADEON X800 PRO/GTO Secondary" = R420_ENU, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_4A69
"RADEON X800 Series " = R420_ENU, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_4A4B
"RADEON X800 Series " = R420_ENU, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_4A4A
"RADEON X800 Series Secondary" = R420_ENU, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_4A6A
"RADEON X800 Series Secondary " = R420_ENU, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_4A6B
"RADEON X800 XT Platinum Edition " = R420_ENU, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_4A50
"RADEON X800 XT Platinum Edition Secondary " = R420_ENU, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_4A70

X700 and X850 are absent but this looks rather comprehensive.

Reply 23 of 25, by sliderider

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I'm going to have to download that, then. I always thought that the GeForce 6800 Ultra was the fastest card you could have under Windows 98 but I think the x850 XTPE is even faster. I think there will be one of those on my shopping list soon if there is a Win 98 driver available.

Reply 24 of 25, by swaaye

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sliderider wrote:

I'm going to have to download that, then. I always thought that the GeForce 6800 Ultra was the fastest card you could have under Windows 98 but I think the x850 XTPE is even faster. I think there will be one of those on my shopping list soon if there is a Win 98 driver available.

X800 XT PE is the fastest in the INF. No X850 cards. I'm not sure they will work even if you edit the INF file for them, because they use the later R480 chip.

Reply 25 of 25, by Gamecollector

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swaaye wrote:

Ok so in the driver .INF of the Win9x Catalyst 6.2 package that is supposedly only for cards of 9000 series and older, we have:

6-2_wme_dd_cp_30314.exe, 15171672 bytes, crc32: 86482b12.
File c7_30314.inf.

"RADEON X850 Series" = R480_ENU, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_5D4D
"RADEON X850 Series " = R480_ENU, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_5D52
"RADEON X850 Series " = R481_ENU, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_4B4C
"RADEON X850 Series " = R481_ENU, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_4B49
"RADEON X850 Series " = R481_ENU, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_4B4B
"RADEON X850 Series - Secondary" = R480_ENU, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_5D6D
"RADEON X850 Series - Secondary " = R480_ENU, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_5D72
"RADEON X850 Series - Secondary " = R481_ENU, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_4B6C
"RADEON X850 Series - Secondary " = R481_ENU, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_4B6B
"RADEON X850 Series - Secondary " = R481_ENU, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_4B69

And yes, ATi/AMD isn't the first company to remove win9x/older versions files from a support page. Starting from M$...

Asus P4P800 SE/Pentium4 3.2E/2 Gb DDR400B,
Radeon HD3850 Agp (Sapphire), Catalyst 14.4 (XpProSp3).
Voodoo2 12 MB SLI, Win2k drivers 1.02.00 (XpProSp3).