There's Win9x UniChrome drivers?

BTW I wouldn't count on the Savage series for much retrogaming other than for some exclusive S3TC novelties, and even then, those are more exclusive to Savage4 and 2000...

Well that is something I will have to confirm, I have the cd-rom that came with the 2004 motherboard... hope they didn't drop the win98 drivers.

But isn't UniChrome based on Savage4?

According to Wikipedia; "UniChrome is an updated S3 ProSavage used in VIA's integrated graphics chipsets."

ProSavage; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S3_Savage#Mother … grated_chipsets

I remember reading that it uses some parts of Savage 2000, but the 3D is based on Savage4.

swaaye wrote:

I remember reading that it uses some parts of Savage 2000, but the 3D is based on Savage4 for some reason.

Thats prosavage and prosavageDDR - DX7 previous versions used in KM133, PM133 and KM266/P4M266. They had 2d core from savage2000 and 3d core from Savage 4.

He have unichrome, thats somehow updated, but its integrated = really slow - usable maybe for old games (1998) in 640x480. It wont have fps for anything better. These chipsets were good only for DVD playback.

If it could play more or less untill mid 2000's at 800x600 I would be happy, and if it can play older games without issues ( like lacking table fog and such) shall I expect such problems? I dunno, I'll give it a try anyway. Gonna test some games to see how it works.

leileilol wrote:

There's Win9x UniChrome drivers?

BTW I wouldn't count on the Savage series for much retrogaming other than for some exclusive S3TC novelties, and even then, those are more exclusive to Savage4 and 2000...

I have them, the windows 98 UniChrome drivers! Retrogaming investigation on the way 😀

I would like to see some 3DMark2000 results. My guess is it will perform something like a Savage4. Make sure you use the fastest RAM it supports. Avoid 32-bit color depth for 3D.

Your CPU will be a Athlon XP 1800+ running at 100x11.5 (when it should be 133x11.5).

Interesting to see benchmark results for the UniChrome.

leileilol wrote:

There's Win9x UniChrome drivers?

BTW I wouldn't count on the Savage series for much retrogaming other than for some exclusive S3TC novelties, and even then, those are more exclusive to Savage4 and 2000...

Yes and it works well that it is stable but performance isn't that great, will work just fine in 98 and xp but gets tricky with anything newer.

LO

I have a high class ECS KM800 board, this one here:
http://www.ecs.com.tw/ECSWebSite/Product/Prod … px?DetailID=574

I was given it, supposedly dead but working okay, the Compaq had a dead PSU.

The on-board video works in WIN98SE using the BIOSTAR sourced reference driver found here:
http://www.biostar.com.tw/app/en/mb/introduction.php?S_ID=91

In total this PC didn't cost that much either, I salvaged a working PSU from the street stealthily
with a screwdriver. I left whatever junk it was with behind. I have added a crappy VOODOO2
to complete the setup.

I have some benchmarks but wait to see the any others before showing them.

Bye.

Ok, so first thing tomorrow morning I'm gonna benchmark instead of testing some games. Anything else beside 3DMark2000?

Great battle tomorrow night: UniChrome DDR 333 Versus UniChrome Pro DDR2 533. I'm a sucker for the underdogs, and these they both are. I'm very curious about this, very interesting seeing S3 legacy.

PS- I'm going to be squashed I'm I not? Oh well, its for a good cause.

Nranco wrote:

Ok, so first thing tomorrow morning I'm gonna benchmark instead of testing some games. Anything else beside 3DMark2000?

Great battle tomorrow night: UniChrome DDR 333 Versus UniChrome Pro DDR2 533. I'm a sucker for the underdogs, and these they both are. I'm very curious about this, very interesting seeing S3 legacy.

PS- I'm going to be squashed I'm I not? Oh well, its for a good cause.

Well i guess that any cheap geforce 2mx will beat them both easilly, not talking about mx440 - that must be miles away 😀

Only good advice is to get somewhere GF2mx (got plenty of them for free - noone wants these days 32mb agp card anymore - every customer is like i need 512mb agp card) and retrogaming will be easy. With mx440 128bit should be fine even at 1024x768.

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Nranco wrote:

Ok, so first thing tomorrow morning I'm gonna benchmark instead of testing some games. Anything else beside 3DMark2000?

Great battle tomorrow night: UniChrome DDR 333 Versus UniChrome Pro DDR2 533. I'm a sucker for the underdogs, and these they both are. I'm very curious about this, very interesting seeing S3 legacy.

PS- I'm going to be squashed I'm I not? Oh well, its for a good cause.

I have 3dmark99max, 3dmark2000v11, 3dmark2001se and 3dmark03_v350 here for testing.

3dmark03_v350 is the last version that runs on WIN98. I have attached the system information
provided by 3dmark03_v350 to this post.

Just so you know how hard a task you have presented yourself, then here are the specs of
my mean machine.

MB: ELITEGROUP ECS (need I say more?) P4M800PRO-M (V1.0A)
CPU: CELERON 331
RAM: 2 X CORSAIR VALUE 512MB PC2-5300
VIDEO: UNICHROME PROFESSIONAL IGP
VIDEO2: CREATIVE VOODOO2
AUDIO: DIAMOND MM MX300 AUREAL VORTEX

The machine is ready and waiting.

Good luck, bye-bye.

You can try a Savage IX on an AGP (or harder to find PCI) card. That one has the Savage 2000 2D combined with the Savage 4 3D. I've seen those on ebay for $10-$20.

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Nranco wrote:

Ok, so first thing tomorrow morning I'm gonna benchmark instead of testing some games. Anything else beside 3DMark2000?

Great battle tomorrow night: UniChrome DDR 333 Versus UniChrome Pro DDR2 533. I'm a sucker for the underdogs, and these they both are. I'm very curious about this, very interesting seeing S3 legacy.

PS- I'm going to be squashed I'm I not? Oh well, its for a good cause.

I have 3dmark99max, 3dmark2000v11, 3dmark2001se and 3dmark03_v350 here for testing.

3dmark03_v350 is the last version that runs on WIN98. I have attached the system information
provided by 3dmark03_v350 to this post.

Just so you know how hard a task you have presented yourself, then here are the specs of
my mean machine.

MB: ELITEGROUP ECS (need I say more?) P4M800PRO-M (V1.0A)
CPU: CELERON 331
RAM: 2 X CORSAIR VALUE 512MB PC2-5300
VIDEO: UNICHROME PROFESSIONAL IGP
VIDEO2: CREATIVE VOODOO2
AUDIO: DIAMOND MM MX300 AUREAL VORTEX

The machine is ready and waiting.

Good luck, bye-bye.

you're on.

Sorry everyone, don't have much to show except for the only benchmark that did run, the score in 3DMark99Max is 3852, that is it.
It runs the first Race in the 3Dmark2000 with about 30fps and then crashes or freezes at the 2nd race. Does run the first two heli flights from 3dMark2001SE with artifacts in stead of beams of sunlight and then crashes.
The cpu is a 1997MHz FSB333 Barton, the 2600+, but does not run stable above FSB100, hence the 1150MHz.
In the weekend I'm gonna remove the 10yo thermal grease, which is completly dry btw, and wash cpu the cooler, apply some new thermal and give it another go. Also remove all the dust inside (plenty) and the PC133 128MB SDRAM lose on the inside (?), maybe with another psu.

lo

Nranco wrote:

Sorry everyone, don't have much to show except for the only benchmark that did run, the score in 3DMark99Max is 3852, that is it.

I done this test, the score in 3DMark99Max was 5152 3DMarks and 33055 CPU 3DMarks at 800x600x16 (default).

Nranco wrote:

It runs the first Race in the 3Dmark2000 with about 30fps and then crashes or freezes at the 2nd race. Does run the first two heli flights from 3dMark2001SE with artifacts in stead of beams of sunlight and then crashes.

This passed all okay for me so we can rule out incompatibility. The score in 3DMark2000 was 3351 3D marks at 1024x768x16 (default).

The tunnel test with 64MB textures didn't run due to lack of texture memory and I think one
other test after this was skipped but I can't remember to be honest.

Nranco wrote:

The cpu is a 1997MHz FSB333 Barton, the 2600+, but does not run stable above FSB100, hence the 1150MHz.
In the weekend I'm gonna remove the 10yo thermal grease, which is completly dry btw, and wash cpu the cooler, apply some new thermal and give it another go. Also remove all the dust inside (plenty) and the PC133 128MB SDRAM lose on the inside (?), maybe with another psu.

Your problems may very well be the CPU but there could also be a fault with the IGP overheating?

Some tests include swapping PSU, RAM and CPU to see if the problem is solved but you may also want
to look at the capacitors around the CPU socket and see if they are leaking or have exploded.

For a better CPU you may consider upgrading to the ATHLON 3200XP if you can find one
and is supported on your board.

I done some other tests, and here are the reults:

3DMark2001 1596 3D marks at 1024x768x32 (default).

3DMark03 85 3D marks (most tests skipped) at 1024x768 (default).

I installed some games, some work, some don't. For example "XIII" runs really well and looks great but HOMEWORLD2 exits to desktop without any message when run.

Bye.

Yeah, I guess the lean machine didn't quite get off the start line.
I have colin mcrae demo and carmaggedon carpocalypse demo also exiting to desktop with no message after some minutes, that could mean overheating. . I have a passive vga hetsink I could apply to the southbridge if that could help, or even a fan on the northbridge, wherever that unichrome chip is. First thing when I get a pc is to check capacitators, they are fine.
Regarding the cpu upgrade, I don't think it would matter, I mean 2.0GHz is plenty for win98 games.
Overall unichrome does not seem suitable for gaming, wouldn't you say?