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Reply 40 of 53, by brostenen

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Bought it second hand, for around 200 danish kroners (aprox. 36 us-dollars), back in 2001/2002.
I think it might be worth something in the range of 120/140 us-dollars today.

Don't eat stuff off a 15 year old never cleaned cpu cooler.
Those cakes make you sick....

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Reply 41 of 53, by brostenen

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I'm using a SBPRO2 CT1600 In my main slower dos system, which is a Cyrix PR 200 on of those Common PC-Chip ali rebranded topgun mobo boards + PCI voodoo banshee, and a SBLIVE! for windows use with a generic ISA nic.
Was actually the first system I built completely from scratch as a kid, tho it did have a different case back then and no live! and started its life with a S3 Virge 🤣 .

How good does sb-live run on those isa/pci/agp boards, when it is in pure Dos?
I have a sb-live (gold plated connectors), bought second hand.
The seller told me, that it was a premium edition or something.
It runs absolutely great in Win98SE and Os/2 Warp4 on a Asrock-K7S41 with both 512 meg. or with 1 gig. of ram.

Don't eat stuff off a 15 year old never cleaned cpu cooler.
Those cakes make you sick....

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Reply 42 of 53, by AlphaWing

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Bad, I can't run X-wing Collectors or Tie Fighter Collectors version, on the SBLIVE! without it crashing back to dos a minute or so into flight, nor does it sound like a real YMF-262 opl 3 chip. The CQM on the last gen Awe32 and the 64 sound alot better then the live!

It does run some dos games, ok from within windows tho.
But I always pair it with a ISA card of some sort for dos compatibility.
I have a large number of lives! I acquired at a show from a vendor wanting to get rid of them for, cheap a few years ago. All various models a few even with the live! drives and I/O brackets.
They are great 9x cards if you use the liveware drivers, and somewhat OK in 2k\XP\Linux distros too.

Reply 43 of 53, by idspispopd

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Hi, New here. I have this same exact board, acquired 2 of them NIB recently. A 1mb version and a 2mb. Updated the Bios on both s […]
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Hi, New here.
I have this same exact board, acquired 2 of them NIB recently. A 1mb version and a 2mb. Updated the Bios on both so they can see the K6-2+ 500 I put in them.
The 1mb board ruined itself after 1 run of 3dmark 2000 not even a complete run.
It had a voodoo 3 3000 AGP in it at the time.
Those little chips near under the agp card near the coin battery.... Well I've never seen this happen before, but after that 3dmark run there is a hole clear through one of the chips that was not their before.
I think they are voltage regulators?
That board won't post now at all, and the 2mb Version is completely unstable with every AGP video card I've tried putting in the AGP slot. From a Riva 128 ZX, to a Radeon 9800 pro. Most of the time won't make it through a single 3dmark run without hard locking in 99, 2000, 2001 No matter what AGP settings I try in the Bios.
I'm afraid the same thing is gonna happen to the 2mb board it if I leave a AGP card in it.
Is it a defect with these boards? Does anyone have any experience with them?

Voodoo3 cards are known for drawing (for the time) a lot of power from the AGP slot.
http://www.falconfly.de/info/faqV33k2k.html#q9

9. Is the Voodoo3 2000 and 3000 compatible with my motherboard?
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The FIC PA-2013 (other than revision 2.1 PCB) has a voltage issue which will burn out the motherboard after an extended period of time using the Voodoo3.

I think there's your answer.

Reply 44 of 53, by brostenen

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Just picked up the package with the FIC-Board, GFX and Memmory.

The specs are:
FIC PA 2013 review 2.0
K6-III-400 mhz.
3 x 64 megabyte PC-100 modules (if only they were 16 and 32 megabyte)
Asus AGP-V3800 32 megabyte TNT2 Card.

Sadisfied here.... Now I have to make a computer. 😜

Don't eat stuff off a 15 year old never cleaned cpu cooler.
Those cakes make you sick....

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Reply 45 of 53, by AlphaWing

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idspispopd wrote:
Voodoo3 cards are known for drawing (for the time) a lot of power from the AGP slot. http://www.falconfly.de/info/faqV33k2k.html […]
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Voodoo3 cards are known for drawing (for the time) a lot of power from the AGP slot.
http://www.falconfly.de/info/faqV33k2k.html#q9

9. Is the Voodoo3 2000 and 3000 compatible with my motherboard?
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The FIC PA-2013 (other than revision 2.1 PCB) has a voltage issue which will burn out the motherboard after an extended period of time using the Voodoo3.

I think there's your answer.

2-3min it takes to reach the high detail helicopter isn't an extended period of time haha, Factory defect!
Not a big loss noway to fix it for me tho.
Even if i could get a replacement for that blown chip... Its just to small to solder on, for me and there's no guarantee it wouldn't blow again something else on the board could be causing it.

The other board hasn't failed like that, just CTD with various AGP cards, nor will it ever get the chance in the future now. It has a PCI Geforce FX 5500 in it, as a replacement for the Geforce2 MX I was temporally using.
As that card is one of my primary test cards. Don't like that MX for actual daily use, its a weird one only as it only has 32-bit memory bus.

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Reply 46 of 53, by AlphaWing

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brostenen wrote:
Just picked up the package with the FIC-Board, GFX and Memmory. […]
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Just picked up the package with the FIC-Board, GFX and Memmory.

The specs are:
FIC PA 2013 review 2.0
K6-III-400 mhz.
3 x 64 megabyte PC-100 modules (if only they were 16 and 32 megabyte)
Asus AGP-V3800 32 megabyte TNT2 Card.

Sadisfied here.... Now I have to make a computer. 😜

Hope you have more luck with AGP then I did!

Reply 47 of 53, by brostenen

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Hope you have more luck with AGP then I did!

Thanks...
It is working 100% now. Even the gus is working like a charm.
Was really great to hear it again, even though I had some issues.

First, I was unable to get the appropriate I/O adress in the installation software.
The software only detected 220 and 240 as possible selections.
The GUS was set to 280. Was no big deal moving a jumper.

Second, the GUS software installed SB emulation in autoexec.bat.
I just removed that line, as I have a real Soundblaster installed.

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Don't eat stuff off a 15 year old never cleaned cpu cooler.
Those cakes make you sick....

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Reply 48 of 53, by AlphaWing

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Good choice.
That SB is really dusty, you should clean it.
Its perfectly safe to run them under the faucet cold\lukewarm water, then let them dry for 6-24hrs depending how hot it is that day.
I do that with all my parts, I receive in condition like that.

Reply 49 of 53, by brostenen

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Water is not good in my opinion, unless I would use the type of water, wich is cleaned.
You know... Without minerals and stuff (it can get over boiling temerature in the microwave).

I am thinking about using rubbing alcohol!? Would that be safe for the electronics?
Vinegar is great to neutralise leaked acid from nicad batteries, then perhaps alcohol is good to clean with.

When i got the board, it was in an even worse state. All the chips had so much stuff on them,
that I could not even read what was printed on them.
There were even hair between the capasitors..... Ewww. 🙁

I cleaned it slightly with a dry cotton-tip, just to get the worst off.

Don't eat stuff off a 15 year old never cleaned cpu cooler.
Those cakes make you sick....

My blog: http://to9xct.blogspot.dk
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Reply 50 of 53, by AlphaWing

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Yea for really bad boards I use a Alcohol\Hydrogen peroxide\Oxi-clean\Water mix, (its safe) let it set in that mix for a couple hours in that mix and take a very soft toothbrush to the areas with corrosion. They come out new looking after that bath. Due to the oxi-clean particles, I keep the board suspended in the middle of the bath, to keep the scratch risk to a min.

Water would never hurt it, unless you have really rusty untreated water.

Reply 51 of 53, by shamino

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AlphaWing wrote:
idspispopd wrote:
Voodoo3 cards are known for drawing (for the time) a lot of power from the AGP slot. http://www.falconfly.de/info/faqV33k2k.html […]
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Voodoo3 cards are known for drawing (for the time) a lot of power from the AGP slot.
http://www.falconfly.de/info/faqV33k2k.html#q9

9. Is the Voodoo3 2000 and 3000 compatible with my motherboard?
...
The FIC PA-2013 (other than revision 2.1 PCB) has a voltage issue which will burn out the motherboard after an extended period of time using the Voodoo3.

I think there's your answer.

2-3min it takes to reach the high detail helicopter isn't an extended period of time haha, Factory defect!
Not a big loss noway to fix it for me tho.

The list of affected boards on that falconfly.de link led me to find this article:
http://web.archive.org/web/20010311151314/htt … tnt-rework.html
It describes how to rework an Asus P2L97 rev1.05 to fix what seems to be the same flaw.
This motherboard, and apparently yours as well, uses an onboard regulator to provide onboard 3.3v power using the 5v ATX input. This onboard regulator however doesn't support enough 3.3v current to handle the heavier AGP cards which were becoming popular at the time. This might also be the reason for it being unstable in general. When pushed hard enough, a mosfet gets overloaded and blows.

What they're doing in that procedure is disconnecting the onboard regulator, and then connecting the 3.3v supply from the ATX power connector directly into the onboard 3.3v rail. This bypasses the onboard regulator which wasn't up to the job. The connection point they used was the positive solder pad of a capacitor that they knew was on the 3.3v rail.
I don't know what your comfort level is, but you might be able to replicate this solution on the PA-2013. I think all that has happened to your board is that the 3.3v regulator is shot, but if you bypass it, then it's death won't matter anymore.
To find a 3.3v cap, you'd need to find continuity with some 3.3v supply pins on the AGP slot. If the positive lead connects to those points then it's on that rail. You'd probably also find it's the same supply to the pins of the SDRAM and PCI slots.

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Reply 53 of 53, by meljor

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When i google `` voodoo3 fic 2013`` i find multiple posts about fried boards and fried voodoo3`s (probably whichever goes first). All posts were from the time these boards were new.

Seems to be a problem with the board with supplying power to the agp slot. Older types of boards use regulators up to 2,5A (2,5a x 3,3v = 8,25w max!)
Newer boards us 6a regulators so they can provide up to 19,8w max.

Voodoo3 pci seems to work without problems. Somewhere there was a link to the fic site where it was even mentioned but unfortunately that link was dead.

Since the voodoo3 is a 15w part (max) i think you can rule out a lot of cards and using pci is probably the best thing to do with that board.
Safe bet for agp on such a board is geforce2 mx (4-5 watts only)

I can`t find anything about the power draw of a TNT2 but i think you are pushing it when you know it`s successor (geforce 1) was using 18w.

Some said that revisions later than 2.0 were better and v3`s would not get fried (newer power regulator). Also early revisions before 2.0 can not support k6-2 450mhz or higher and don`t support k6-3 cpu`s.

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