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Reply 20481 of 22094, by creepingnet

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Last night was an interesting mess....

Got 4 more hard disks, one won't spin but it's not stiction, one knocked so hilariously I took video of me messing with it, and the cat was amusingly looking at it like "what the heck is that thing (knock knock)....should I swat at it, sniff it, or try to eat it?". The other two, a 20GB WD200 and a 250GB WD2500 both work just fine. Put the 250GB in my 486, not sure what I'll use it for, but we'll see, 🤣. Took apart the two that don't work, threw the screws in the other one that did not work and put the lid back on just for giggles....did surprisingly little....might swap the platters for another fun experiment.

Slapped the 20GB in the Dell DImension 3000 and put that one right. I'm surprised to find Dell would apparently replace your recovery CD with one with a newer O/S. The PC is marked for XP, but it has a VISTA recovery CD, and it runs surprisingly well considering it's a 2.8GHz P4 with 2GB of RAM. That was a breeze.

Meanwhile, played with seeing what CD's my 486's would boot with the DDO'd 250GB Drive.....I managed to start booting Kolibri Linux, and a couple new BSD Variants, I think I even had a x64 version that somehow managed to do something for a short bit before rebooting the system, probably due to invalid opcodes. Thinking about making a huge Multi-Boot, Multi O/S HDD (Thinking DOS 6.22/WFWG311/Win95/Win98SE/Win2000/OS2 2.1 w/ WinOS2/OS2WARP/Slackware96......maybe a modern i486 compatible linux distro.....this is going to be fun).

But the real fighter of the night - the FitPC Slim, a AMD Quark LX800 based thing in a case the size of a Fuzz Pedal....which I slapped in a 128GB mSATA SSD in a 44-pin converter into. Now THIS was a challenge. First off, I hear it shiped with Gentoo LInux or Windows XP......Home or Embedded IIRC....I decided to get heady and use my old XP Pro SP3 Install on it....

First off, the FitPC, I tried putting FreeDOS and 98 on it and the results just were not to my liking. IT's just too fast for FreeDOS and has not enough Driver support for 98 SE. I toyed with 2000 until I realized I probably don't have enough of the correct drivers, and there's a chance XP Pro would have the right drivers, or enough to make it happy.

Then came getting XP on the darned thing, being the size of a Radar Detector ...there's no Floppy Drive, no CD-ROM drive, I don't have the PCMCIA or CF-Card option, and I don't have any PCMCIA media or CF Cards anyway (yet).

Attempt one found me making a bootable USB drive with my XP Pro install files on it, apparently 64GB Flash drives make this thing miserable, it'd just bypass the drive, try an older drive, nope. Honestly. Seemed like if it did try, it would hang the system.

So next I figured, slap the SSD into the Dell and reimage with XP that way.....then when I put the imaged SSD in there, which only took about 30 minutes to install at most BTW, it would hang on the FitPC (sigh)....okay....time to get the nuclear option.....

I took apart the FitPC, snapped a shot of it's WiFi controller and chipset, then put it back together, and decided maybe a USB-CD-ROM would work, but in lieu of one, I used my IDE/SATA device to USB converter instead and used that with the Dell's DVD-RW to image the FitPC via the fit PC and THEN, and only then did it take XP and boot, and honestly, for something that's only 500MHz and has about 512MB of RAM on-board, it runs surprisingly well.

Finding drivers was a total pain in the rear......see, everything except WiFi is on the AMD Quark LX800 microprocessor, so I had to nab drivers from other LX800 equipped devices to get it to work, and work they did, by the end I had everything but WiFi and a "USB Controller"....go figure, USB works just fine.

The WiFi was a QCOM branded thing, that turned out to need an RALINK driver for it after some Duckduck-fu. 54mbps, 802.11b/g, but compatible with WPA2-PSK, so I have WiFi now, one of the things that attracted me to the darned FitPC in the first place. Once that was going, it was about 1:52p, and what spurred a lot of this was some dramatic external shit I'd rather not get into. Working on computers and rocking out on the guitar during progress bars is how I keep myself sane.

So I guess, if I have more time tonight, I'll try loading some games on it, thinking "The Sims" possibly, maybe some other stuff that does not need a powerful graphics card.

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Reply 20482 of 22094, by Caluser2000

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creepingnet wrote on 2021-12-15, 20:30:
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Last night was an interesting mess....

Got 4 more hard disks, one won't spin but it's not stiction, one knocked so hilariously I took video of me messing with it, and the cat was amusingly looking at it like "what the heck is that thing (knock knock)....should I swat at it, sniff it, or try to eat it?". The other two, a 20GB WD200 and a 250GB WD2500 both work just fine. Put the 250GB in my 486, not sure what I'll use it for, but we'll see, 🤣. Took apart the two that don't work, threw the screws in the other one that did not work and put the lid back on just for giggles....did surprisingly little....might swap the platters for another fun experiment.

Slapped the 20GB in the Dell DImension 3000 and put that one right. I'm surprised to find Dell would apparently replace your recovery CD with one with a newer O/S. The PC is marked for XP, but it has a VISTA recovery CD, and it runs surprisingly well considering it's a 2.8GHz P4 with 2GB of RAM. That was a breeze.

Meanwhile, played with seeing what CD's my 486's would boot with the DDO'd 250GB Drive.....I managed to start booting Kolibri Linux, and a couple new BSD Variants, I think I even had a x64 version that somehow managed to do something for a short bit before rebooting the system, probably due to invalid opcodes. Thinking about making a huge Multi-Boot, Multi O/S HDD (Thinking DOS 6.22/WFWG311/Win95/Win98SE/Win2000/OS2 2.1 w/ WinOS2/OS2WARP/Slackware96......maybe a modern i486 compatible linux distro.....this is going to be fun).

But the real fighter of the night - the FitPC Slim, a AMD Quark LX800 based thing in a case the size of a Fuzz Pedal....which I slapped in a 128GB mSATA SSD in a 44-pin converter into. Now THIS was a challenge. First off, I hear it shiped with Gentoo LInux or Windows XP......Home or Embedded IIRC....I decided to get heady and use my old XP Pro SP3 Install on it....

First off, the FitPC, I tried putting FreeDOS and 98 on it and the results just were not to my liking. IT's just too fast for FreeDOS and has not enough Driver support for 98 SE. I toyed with 2000 until I realized I probably don't have enough of the correct drivers, and there's a chance XP Pro would have the right drivers, or enough to make it happy.

Then came getting XP on the darned thing, being the size of a Radar Detector ...there's no Floppy Drive, no CD-ROM drive, I don't have the PCMCIA or CF-Card option, and I don't have any PCMCIA media or CF Cards anyway (yet).

Attempt one found me making a bootable USB drive with my XP Pro install files on it, apparently 64GB Flash drives make this thing miserable, it'd just bypass the drive, try an older drive, nope. Honestly. Seemed like if it did try, it would hang the system.

So next I figured, slap the SSD into the Dell and reimage with XP that way.....then when I put the imaged SSD in there, which only took about 30 minutes to install at most BTW, it would hang on the FitPC (sigh)....okay....time to get the nuclear option.....

I took apart the FitPC, snapped a shot of it's WiFi controller and chipset, then put it back together, and decided maybe a USB-CD-ROM would work, but in lieu of one, I used my IDE/SATA device to USB converter instead and used that with the Dell's DVD-RW to image the FitPC via the fit PC and THEN, and only then did it take XP and boot, and honestly, for something that's only 500MHz and has about 512MB of RAM on-board, it runs surprisingly well.

Finding drivers was a total pain in the rear......see, everything except WiFi is on the AMD Quark LX800 microprocessor, so I had to nab drivers from other LX800 equipped devices to get it to work, and work they did, by the end I had everything but WiFi and a "USB Controller"....go figure, USB works just fine.

The WiFi was a QCOM branded thing, that turned out to need an RALINK driver for it after some Duckduck-fu. 54mbps, 802.11b/g, but compatible with WPA2-PSK, so I have WiFi now, one of the things that attracted me to the darned FitPC in the first place. Once that was going, it was about 1:52p, and what spurred a lot of this was some dramatic external shit I'd rather not get into. Working on computers and rocking out on the guitar during progress bars is how I keep myself sane.

So I guess, if I have more time tonight, I'll try loading some games on it, thinking "The Sims" possibly, maybe some other stuff that does not need a powerful graphics card.

Good to see you are having fun man.

It's been pissing down from the heavens down here. Just checked all the drains to make sure things are doing what storm water drains do. All have been clear of the recent leaf build up from the Moa Mans( yes that is what he calls his business) visit last Friday. All is sweet.

Might go play with my ShuttleX system for a change. It's been neglected for the last few months. I cut the lasted Devuan Distro back then but couldn't find one of those roundtoits. They can be quite hard to locate these days.

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A founding member of the 286 appreciation society.
Apparently 32-bit is dead and nobody likes P4s.
Of course, as always, I'm open to correction...😉

Reply 20483 of 22094, by BitWrangler

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They seem to have a good selection on Etsy https://www.etsy.com/ca/market/a_round_tuit 🤣

Unicorn herding operations are proceeding, but all the totes of hens teeth and barrels of rocking horse poop give them plenty of hiding spots.

Reply 20484 of 22094, by GigAHerZ

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Found out this thing: https://archive.org/details/promisevg4controller
And it's quite a boost! 😮

I always had a feeling that VLB IDE controller (without any fancy cache on board) is just a "feel good" thing. But now it does DMA! 😮 I'm maxing out my CF card on 486! 😮

"640K ought to be enough for anybody." - And i intend to get every last bit out of it even after loading every damn driver!

Reply 20485 of 22094, by BitWrangler

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Yah, you really need a dab of poligrip on your false teeth before you put a DMA capable VLB I/O card in your machine... some of them even do DMA mode 2!!! ... the drivers were a bit of a bastard to find in the mid 90s though.... There were a lot of "white box" ones around with no floppies and single sheet 9th generation faxed/copied manual in cryptic chinglish.

Unicorn herding operations are proceeding, but all the totes of hens teeth and barrels of rocking horse poop give them plenty of hiding spots.

Reply 20486 of 22094, by Caluser2000

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BitWrangler wrote on 2021-12-15, 21:26:

They seem to have a good selection on Etsy https://www.etsy.com/ca/market/a_round_tuit 🤣

Kwal bro....

There's a glitch in the matrix.
A founding member of the 286 appreciation society.
Apparently 32-bit is dead and nobody likes P4s.
Of course, as always, I'm open to correction...😉

Reply 20487 of 22094, by Nexxen

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Yes, baking soda did something but I still have the marks left by the degreaser going down.
Or maybe look for a better degreaser, more concentrated.
Annoying.

I also have a botched retrobrite front panel with left behind "stains".
I haven't tried to clean with some micro particles cleaner.
I definitely have to use the tank method + sun.

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PC#2 PIII-1Ghz - 98SE/W2K

Reply 20489 of 22094, by Nexxen

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appiah4 wrote on 2021-12-16, 10:50:

Try a magic eraser maybe?

I'll post a pic. Magic eraser does nothing.
I'll bleach it blond 😀 Back to the early 2000's mass hair bleaching!!
🤣

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Reply 20490 of 22094, by zapbuzz

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I made a retro synth track on my vp6 music tower to share its Peter Gunn.
Its more of a parody expression that it isn't just a gunshot but has words too. (not like originally intended)
Hardware / software is well over 20 years old now and I haven't seen much improvement since only
I think midi music scores are from real musicians.
Its based on midi sequence played on yamaha xg100Plus VL and a movie action scene where shot is fired.
Caution has explicit words but is not a real situation - pure acting.
You may use it and share it without profit or profit for charity only.
Lead sounds a bit like BB-8 come think of it 🤣

Merry christmas my friends.

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Reply 20491 of 22094, by Nexxen

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appiah4 wrote on 2021-12-16, 10:50:

Try a magic eraser maybe?

See pic

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Reply 20492 of 22094, by xcomcmdr

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zapbuzz wrote on 2021-12-16, 11:38:
I made a retro synth track on my vp6 music tower to share its Peter Gunn. Its more of a parody expression that it isn't just a g […]
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I made a retro synth track on my vp6 music tower to share its Peter Gunn.
Its more of a parody expression that it isn't just a gunshot but has words too. (not like originally intended)
Hardware / software is well over 20 years old now and I haven't seen much improvement since only
I think midi music scores are from real musicians.
Its based on midi sequence played on yamaha xg100Plus VL and a movie action scene where shot is fired.
Caution has explicit words but is not a real situation - pure acting.
You may use it and share it without profit or profit for charity only.
Lead sounds a bit like BB-8 come think of it 🤣

Merry christmas my friends.

Nice and funny track ! 😀

Merry Christmas to you too.

Reply 20493 of 22094, by Caluser2000

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Nexxen wrote on 2021-12-16, 11:29:
I'll post a pic. Magic eraser does nothing. I'll bleach it blond :) Back to the early 2000's mass hair bleaching!! LOL […]
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appiah4 wrote on 2021-12-16, 10:50:

Try a magic eraser maybe?

I'll post a pic. Magic eraser does nothing.
I'll bleach it blond 😀 Back to the early 2000's mass hair bleaching!!
🤣

Try a fine grade emery or sand paper.

There's a glitch in the matrix.
A founding member of the 286 appreciation society.
Apparently 32-bit is dead and nobody likes P4s.
Of course, as always, I'm open to correction...😉

Reply 20494 of 22094, by snufkin

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Had a look inside a Toshiba 110CT that had been sitting in a woodworking workshop for years, thought I'd clean some sawdust out before seeing if it still worked. Discovered that there's not one, but two NiMH batteries, both of them leaking. Finally got the main board out and the heatsink off:

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I think the sawdust has mixed with the battery fluid to form a corrosive paste. Any bets on if it still works? I'm pretty firmly on the 'not a chance' side at the moment.

Reply 20495 of 22094, by Nexxen

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snufkin wrote on 2021-12-16, 17:15:

Had a look inside a Toshiba 110CT that had been sitting in a woodworking workshop for years, thought I'd clean some sawdust out before seeing if it still worked. Discovered that there's not one, but two NiMH batteries, both of them leaking. Finally got the main board out and the heatsink off:
Toshiba_110CT_BitOfAState.jpg

I think the sawdust has mixed with the battery fluid to form a corrosive paste. Any bets on if it still works? I'm pretty firmly on the 'not a chance' side at the moment.

Vinegar treatment, or at least remove as much as you can.
Betting it can work again.

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Reply 20496 of 22094, by Nexxen

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Caluser2000 wrote on 2021-12-16, 15:11:
Nexxen wrote on 2021-12-16, 11:29:
I'll post a pic. Magic eraser does nothing. I'll bleach it blond :) Back to the early 2000's mass hair bleaching!! LOL […]
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appiah4 wrote on 2021-12-16, 10:50:

Try a magic eraser maybe?

I'll post a pic. Magic eraser does nothing.
I'll bleach it blond 😀 Back to the early 2000's mass hair bleaching!!
🤣

Try a fine grade emery or sand paper.

Too much work. I'll buy some ultra concentrated degreaser, industrial grade.

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Reply 20497 of 22094, by TrashPanda

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snufkin wrote on 2021-12-16, 17:15:

Had a look inside a Toshiba 110CT that had been sitting in a woodworking workshop for years, thought I'd clean some sawdust out before seeing if it still worked. Discovered that there's not one, but two NiMH batteries, both of them leaking. Finally got the main board out and the heatsink off:
Toshiba_110CT_BitOfAState.jpg

I think the sawdust has mixed with the battery fluid to form a corrosive paste. Any bets on if it still works? I'm pretty firmly on the 'not a chance' side at the moment.

Oof, there is a tiny less than .0000001% chance that it might work, but if you fire that poor thing up in its current state Id say there is a good chance of a fire.

Oh noes, the cap let the shmooo out 😁

Reply 20498 of 22094, by snufkin

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TrashPanda wrote on 2021-12-16, 18:31:
snufkin wrote on 2021-12-16, 17:15:

Had a look inside a Toshiba 110CT that had been sitting in a woodworking workshop for years, thought I'd clean some sawdust out before seeing if it still worked. Discovered that there's not one, but two NiMH batteries, both of them leaking. Finally got the main board out and the heatsink off:
Toshiba_110CT_BitOfAState.jpg

I think the sawdust has mixed with the battery fluid to form a corrosive paste. Any bets on if it still works? I'm pretty firmly on the 'not a chance' side at the moment.

Oof, there is a tiny less than .0000001% chance that it might work, but if you fire that poor thing up in its current state Id say there is a good chance of a fire.

Well, the board is currently in a bag soaking in methylated spirits/denatured alcohol (only solvent I had enough of just to hand) overnight, so it should burn well.

I'm waiting to see what the damage is under all the gunk. I suspect there will be broken legs on the Toshiba chip near the bottom of the photo (pins 49-64). Keyboard connector (PJ13) could be a problem as well; the end of the flat flexible cable doesn't look pretty and will need fixing up. Long term I think the biggest problem will be if anything corrosive has ended up under the CPU. The rest of the components I reckon I can remove to clean underneath, but I don't have the kit to attempt removing and replacing the CPU. I also need to figure out the minimum assembly required to test the board.

Reply 20499 of 22094, by TrashPanda

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snufkin wrote on 2021-12-16, 22:31:
TrashPanda wrote on 2021-12-16, 18:31:
snufkin wrote on 2021-12-16, 17:15:

Had a look inside a Toshiba 110CT that had been sitting in a woodworking workshop for years, thought I'd clean some sawdust out before seeing if it still worked. Discovered that there's not one, but two NiMH batteries, both of them leaking. Finally got the main board out and the heatsink off:
Toshiba_110CT_BitOfAState.jpg

I think the sawdust has mixed with the battery fluid to form a corrosive paste. Any bets on if it still works? I'm pretty firmly on the 'not a chance' side at the moment.

Oof, there is a tiny less than .0000001% chance that it might work, but if you fire that poor thing up in its current state Id say there is a good chance of a fire.

Well, the board is currently in a bag soaking in methylated spirits/denatured alcohol (only solvent I had enough of just to hand) overnight, so it should burn well.

I'm waiting to see what the damage is under all the gunk. I suspect there will be broken legs on the Toshiba chip near the bottom of the photo (pins 49-64). Keyboard connector (PJ13) could be a problem as well; the end of the flat flexible cable doesn't look pretty and will need fixing up. Long term I think the biggest problem will be if anything corrosive has ended up under the CPU. The rest of the components I reckon I can remove to clean underneath, but I don't have the kit to attempt removing and replacing the CPU. I also need to figure out the minimum assembly required to test the board.

Corroded traces wiill also be a big issue, you could run wires for some of them but I suspect there might be more than just a few 🤣.

Oh noes, the cap let the shmooo out 😁