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Reply 21600 of 22840, by Nexxen

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brian105 wrote on 2022-04-30, 05:35:
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Cleaning a 7950GT and repasting. Put Kryonaut and the thing still idles at 50c.. idiots at nVidia made the reference cooler a 1-slot blower solution, and Foxconn kept that solution. It actually doesn't get that much hotter when playing Portal, but the fan always sounds loud and terrible.

What is that ring on the core? Sadako rev?

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Reply 21601 of 22840, by Alistar1776

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chris2021 wrote on 2022-04-29, 09:39:

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Can you talk about this? I had more or less immediate success triple booting a foxconn based socket a system (win2kpro,winxp,rhel3), despite frequent no starts and occasional lockups. The mobo and ram were presumed new, as was the dookie p4/amd ready p/s. Hard drive was used, but probably not a lot. Others have had issues with socket 462 and it makes me curious. Would like to learn more details.

Sure! So, system specs are an MSI board, dont know what chipset at the moment. Cpu is an Athlon XP 3200+ 1.1ghz, about 750mb ish of DDR, thats only because of Win98's 1gb ram error. Gpu is an ATI Radeon HD 4650 AGP, no drivers yet. Which can i get help with that? And for sound is a Creative Labs Sound Blaster 16, i also need drivers for 😅

Now my issues started when I tried to run DOS 6.22 on it, just testing my written floppies, ya know. Went to boot to C and it gave me "unknown file system, entering Grub Rescue mode"

Tried to boot Win2000 CD, same error. Unknown filesystem.

Tried my Win95 on floppy, but disk 5 had a corrupt cab file, so that was a scratch.

Then i finally got Win98SE to install after a few tries and finding out i needed a boot floppy 😂

So, in short, my issues were purely getting an OS on the system. I blame my limited, yet growing knowledge of older systems honestly 🤣.

Reply 21602 of 22840, by stef80

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Meatball wrote on 2022-04-26, 18:21:

The 2nd motherboard I ever bought was an Intel D815EEA w/Pentium III@733MHz, which replaced an Asus P2B w/400MHz Pentium II. I installed it into some kind of translucent green case. I think this was during the iMac G3 "berry" rage. Anyway, this board conveniently included a 900/100MHz CPU (one of the last socket 370 PIIIs I wanted to complete the set).

Nice board. This is top of the line Intel Desktop Board for Coppermine. It has onboard VGA, Intel NIC and Creative PCI audio. Basically, all you need is decent graphics card.

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Reply 21603 of 22840, by brian105

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Nexxen wrote on 2022-04-30, 08:21:
brian105 wrote on 2022-04-30, 05:35:
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Cleaning a 7950GT and repasting. Put Kryonaut and the thing still idles at 50c.. idiots at nVidia made the reference cooler a 1-slot blower solution, and Foxconn kept that solution. It actually doesn't get that much hotter when playing Portal, but the fan always sounds loud and terrible.

What is that ring on the core? Sadako rev?

I have no idea what it is. I tried to get it off with IPA but it didn't change. The bottom of the cooler which sits on the die doesn't have this ring.
Closer shot:
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Reply 21604 of 22840, by Tetrium

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PcBytes wrote on 2022-04-27, 20:07:
Recapped an Spire Jewel 380W PSU I bought for peanuts because I needed something that had the -5v rail as well a powerful 5v rai […]
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Recapped an Spire Jewel 380W PSU I bought for peanuts because I needed something that had the -5v rail as well a powerful 5v rail (and boy, it did not disappoint.).

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Picture is before the recap. Wanna point out that the 2 main caps aren't original to it when I got it, they're 680uF 200v Panasonic CE caps. For those who know PSU OEMs, it's Sun Pro who did it. Surprisingly good though my OCD kinda gets triggered knowing the 3.3v and 5v rails are a wee bit high (5.3v and 3.4v) despite recapping it.

Just asking since I saw this, but the red encircled items are not that terrible yellow glue already turned brown?
The blue circle == same, but can't see clearly enough if that's the same brown stuff as what's inside the red circles.

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Reply 21605 of 22840, by PcBytes

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Almost. This one does look like the tan glue a bit, but it's not - it's elastic and it doesn't seem to be conductive or corrosive, instead it's a bit similar to hot glue.

The one I've been talking about usually crumbles when you try to remove it in its state. This one is like gum, and can be easily removed, and doesn't seem to be conductive in any form.

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Reply 21606 of 22840, by Nexxen

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brian105 wrote on 2022-04-30, 09:40:
I have no idea what it is. I tried to get it off with IPA but it didn't change. The bottom of the cooler which sits on the die d […]
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Nexxen wrote on 2022-04-30, 08:21:
brian105 wrote on 2022-04-30, 05:35:
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Cleaning a 7950GT and repasting. Put Kryonaut and the thing still idles at 50c.. idiots at nVidia made the reference cooler a 1-slot blower solution, and Foxconn kept that solution. It actually doesn't get that much hotter when playing Portal, but the fan always sounds loud and terrible.

What is that ring on the core? Sadako rev?

I have no idea what it is. I tried to get it off with IPA but it didn't change. The bottom of the cooler which sits on the die doesn't have this ring.
Closer shot:
YeylceG.png

I thought it was your lighting or camera reflection.
Cute little thing that makes you wonder "how?".

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Reply 21607 of 22840, by Kahenraz

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It's impossible to tell how viscous these glues/epoxies are by visual inspection. Poke at it with a screwdriver. One consistency that I've seen for the bad formula is that it crumbles under only a small amount of pressure, like a stale cookie.

If you remove it or scrape away at it a bit and the PCB is discolored, this is also a sign that it may have turned corrosive and damaged the PCB.

Reply 21608 of 22840, by PcBytes

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I managed to pull out some from two coils next to the standby transformer. It's like gum in consistency, which makes me think it's a totally different glue, and isn't corrosive. I remember someone giving me a rather clean Delux unit (400W supposedly) that was based on the same AT-2005B platform and instead had bad secondary caps without any discoloration. Same kind of tan glue, and it came off in the same way, like gum.

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Reply 21609 of 22840, by Kahenraz

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Not that it couldn't happen, but I have not encountered any gum-like glues or epoxies that have shown signs of corrosion.

I'm hesitant to say that all glues must be soft or malleable and to be wary of anything that is not. There are plenty of rock hard epoxies that aren't corrosive either. The signature that I have seen so far (again, my sample size is very small), is that the bad kind of glue is dry and crumbly. So if the glue is hard and not crumbly, then it's probably fine.

Of you've pulled glue off of coils, then you may have to apply a replacement. Coils can resonate and may even create audible noise at certain frequencies. I have no data, but I would imagine that the glue also helps to relieve some of the stress from the solder joints, if the component does in fact resonate.

Reply 21610 of 22840, by PcBytes

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Knowing how cheap the OEM is (Sun Pro, and the retailer is Spire - the same guys behind the Spire fans) , they'll probably work fine 🤣

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Reply 21612 of 22840, by bstar

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octopus wrote on 2022-04-30, 19:14:

Retro activitiy of the day: I had smoke coming out of an old hard drive..

Nice. I had smoke coming out of the Turbo switch this morning. I misaligned the pins (really easy to do) and nearly started a fire. Good news is that only the button mechanism is fried so a quick trip to ebay found nearly identical latching buttons. Another project for another day.

Reply 21613 of 22840, by BitWrangler

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Kahenraz wrote on 2022-04-30, 16:06:

Not that it couldn't happen, but I have not encountered any gum-like glues or epoxies that have shown signs of corrosion.

I'm hesitant to say that all glues must be soft or malleable and to be wary of anything that is not. There are plenty of rock hard epoxies that aren't corrosive either. The signature that I have seen so far (again, my sample size is very small), is that the bad kind of glue is dry and crumbly. So if the glue is hard and not crumbly, then it's probably fine.

Of you've pulled glue off of coils, then you may have to apply a replacement. Coils can resonate and may even create audible noise at certain frequencies. I have no data, but I would imagine that the glue also helps to relieve some of the stress from the solder joints, if the component does in fact resonate.

Some older glues could be subject to biological attack... since they're basically dehydrated horse soup.

Unicorn herding operations are proceeding, but all the totes of hens teeth and barrels of rocking horse poop give them plenty of hiding spots.

Reply 21614 of 22840, by NyLan

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Shponglefan wrote on 2022-04-28, 23:50:
NyLan wrote on 2022-04-27, 20:03:
Created my Windows 3.11 WFW 8x floppies set :love_you_gesture: […]
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Created my Windows 3.11 WFW 8x floppies set 🤟

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Comparison between mine and official one :
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That's quite good! What are you using for labels?

Detailed a bit on my github : https://github.com/NyLan-1/
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Reply 21615 of 22840, by maverick85

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Figuring out how to clone ide drive onto SD card using G31 core2duo motherboard with single ide and Hirens boot CD. One version, not 15.2, has something image 2013 on it. Was able to backup. I'll have to use a motherboard with two ides for the direct clone option. PITA

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Reply 21616 of 22840, by maverick85

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Figuring out how to clone ide drive onto SD card using G31 core2duo motherboard with single ide and Hirens boot CD. One version, not 15.2, has something image 2013 on it. Was able to backup. I'll have to use a motherboard with two ides for the direct clone option. PITA.
Ide drive comes from duron 600 time computer with tnt2 m64. Want to change over to rage 128 pro and update sound but want to have fallback option of things go south

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Reply 21617 of 22840, by RaiderOfLostVoodoo

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Tested a "crappy" Mendocino CPU I had laying around for some time.
Turns out, it's not as worthless as I thought. It's the king of the Mendocinos. 8x66MHz.
Is it a good overclocker or why pay people up to 20 bucks for this?

Reply 21618 of 22840, by Tetrium

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RaiderOfLostVoodoo wrote on 2022-05-02, 10:04:

Tested a "crappy" Mendocino CPU I had laying around for some time.
Turns out, it's not as worthless as I thought. It's the king of the Mendocinos. 8x66MHz.
Is it a good overclocker or why pay people up to 20 bucks for this?

Because it's the king of the Mendocinos 😜

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Reply 21619 of 22840, by PARKE

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RaiderOfLostVoodoo wrote on 2022-05-02, 10:04:

Tested a "crappy" Mendocino CPU I had laying around for some time.
Turns out, it's not as worthless as I thought. It's the king of the Mendocinos. 8x66MHz.
Is it a good overclocker or why pay people up to 20 bucks for this?

Everything you always wanted to know about Celeron overclocking - according to this review your sample may run @ 600MHz.
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-ce … uide,218-6.html