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Reply 26300 of 27502, by Shponglefan

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PC@LIVE wrote on 2023-12-31, 21:40:

If you have any suggestions, or think it is necessary to check something else, I'll be waiting, and in the meantime, thank you and Happy New Year.

Happy New Year as well!

Reading through your log, you sound like you're on the right track.

Only other thing to check might be the BIOS chip itself to make sure it's got a proper ROM. Although you could always do that if it still doesn't work once the traces and other corroded bits are fixed.

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Reply 26301 of 27502, by Shponglefan

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PcBytes wrote on 2023-12-31, 23:51:

I love how the mainboard is just as long as that Sound Blaster (or so I assume it is, a SIMM-upgradeable SoundBlaster) in the last slot, just next to the Overdrive.

Everything was very strategically selected and placed. 😀

And yes, that's a Sound Blaster AWE32 CT3980.

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Reply 26302 of 27502, by DerBaum

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DerBaum wrote on 2023-12-31, 04:13:

It looks like original and works. Great... I think i will have to repair all 5 Monitors i got from this type...

Small correction. I only have 3 of this type of monitor and 3 are different and have not failed...
The 3 that broke, failed in exactly the same way...
After changing 3 power supplies, 42 caps and repair the power circuit of one lcd panel all are working again... 8 hours well spent...

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Reply 26303 of 27502, by Kahenraz

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DerBaum wrote on 2024-01-01, 04:25:
Small correction. I only have 3 of this type of monitor and 3 are different and have not failed... The 3 that broke, failed in e […]
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DerBaum wrote on 2023-12-31, 04:13:

It looks like original and works. Great... I think i will have to repair all 5 Monitors i got from this type...

Small correction. I only have 3 of this type of monitor and 3 are different and have not failed...
The 3 that broke, failed in exactly the same way...
After changing 3 power supplies, 42 caps and repair the power circuit of one lcd panel all are working again... 8 hours well spent...

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Are these monitors particularly desirable? I keep some old 15" Dell flat panels for retro machines, but they are nothing special.

Reply 26304 of 27502, by PC@LIVE

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Shponglefan wrote on 2023-12-31, 23:53:
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PC@LIVE wrote on 2023-12-31, 21:40:

If you have any suggestions, or think it is necessary to check something else, I'll be waiting, and in the meantime, thank you and Happy New Year.

Happy New Year as well!

Reading through your log, you sound like you're on the right track.

Only other thing to check might be the BIOS chip itself to make sure it's got a proper ROM. Although you could always do that if it still doesn't work once the traces and other corroded bits are fixed.

Thank you thank you
Yes I think that first of all we need to fix those corroded traces, and clean (as much as possible) all the contacts, especially those of the chips, I hope to be successful, I like that it is only ISA, because I have other 486 VLBs, this one even has two Opti Local Bus slots, they look like EISA, but I don't have this problem, I don't have any EISA cards (and no OLB).
Regarding the BIOS chip, I don't have a programmer for this type of chip, so I hope it is ok and works, however I know that in case I can get an adapter (for my programmer), or I could buy a new chip already programmed , unfortunately I can't find a copy of the BIOS, it was on a site, but it's gone.

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Reply 26305 of 27502, by BitWrangler

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Kahenraz wrote on 2024-01-01, 06:34:
DerBaum wrote on 2024-01-01, 04:25:
Small correction. I only have 3 of this type of monitor and 3 are different and have not failed... The 3 that broke, failed in e […]
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DerBaum wrote on 2023-12-31, 04:13:

It looks like original and works. Great... I think i will have to repair all 5 Monitors i got from this type...

Small correction. I only have 3 of this type of monitor and 3 are different and have not failed...
The 3 that broke, failed in exactly the same way...
After changing 3 power supplies, 42 caps and repair the power circuit of one lcd panel all are working again... 8 hours well spent...

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Are these monitors particularly desirable? I keep some old 15" Dell flat panels for retro machines, but they are nothing special.

Saw a mention they take composite, so very useful for 8 bits, amiga, atari, but for PC, I guess CGA and ???

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Reply 26306 of 27502, by DerBaum

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Kahenraz wrote on 2024-01-01, 06:34:

Are these monitors particularly desirable?

i dont think so...
they just have dvi, s-video and composite inputs ... and they were free... thats all...

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Reply 26307 of 27502, by Shponglefan

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Testing a couple sound cards, an Ensoniq Soundscape S-2000 and a Reveal Sound FX Wave 32 (Soundscape clone).

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The Ensoniq Soundscape worked, although audio output was really quiet. I had to crank my speakers to max just get a decent volume. From searching it sounds like this could be related to aging capacitors, so I've put it aside to recap once I order some more caps.

The Reveal card did not work.

Upon inspection it is missing a capacitor above the main IC, C72. The main IC also has a couple visibly loose legs. Checking the legs under the microscope, about half of the legs on this IC were loose. I'm surprised more of them weren't bent.

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There were also some minor scratches on the back exposing some copper traces, but no broken traces that I could see.

I'm going to reflow the solder on the main IC to start and then remove and test one of the other caps before ordering a replacement.

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Reply 26308 of 27502, by H3nrik V!

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Slot1 wrote on 2023-12-29, 13:39:
I was testing my Voodoo1 8Mb that I listed on eBay :) Yep, thats also a Eizo s2133, a fantastic monitor. […]
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I was testing my Voodoo1 8Mb that I listed on eBay 😀
Yep, thats also a Eizo s2133, a fantastic monitor.

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8MB Voodoo1? Is that the factory spec, or have you modified it? Always thought that 6MB was the maximum any Voodoo1 cats came with?

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Reply 26309 of 27502, by Trashbytes

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H3nrik V! wrote on 2024-01-02, 05:09:
Slot1 wrote on 2023-12-29, 13:39:
I was testing my Voodoo1 8Mb that I listed on eBay :) Yep, thats also a Eizo s2133, a fantastic monitor. […]
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I was testing my Voodoo1 8Mb that I listed on eBay 😀
Yep, thats also a Eizo s2133, a fantastic monitor.

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8MB Voodoo1? Is that the factory spec, or have you modified it? Always thought that 6MB was the maximum any Voodoo1 cats came with?

I might be remembering incorrectly but Im pretty sure Quantum3D Obsidian had a special 8Mb version that was off the wall expensive, heck I know they had a Voodoo1 with a 2D GPU on it as a daughter board attachment and even a custom SLI Voodoo1. I mean its possible its one of them Obsidian ones but ...they are not exactly cards you find on eBay or really any place outside of collector hands.

The other possibility is its one of them custom Mac Voodoo1 cards, I know they came with 8Mb memory but they couldn't be used on a PC.

Edit - Looked at the pic of it and Im pretty damn sure that's an Obsidian Voodoo1, it doesnt look like a Skywell Voodoo1 which also had 8Mb.
It is a Skywell Voodoo1, took a bit of hunting but they made a PCB identical to the on shown with all the memory on populated one side in the same configuration, in which case it came from the factory like that.

Rather rare card to own, just as expensive to buy too.

Reply 26310 of 27502, by PcBytes

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Having great success with the slotket and BE6-II. Still gotta find out who made the AA370TS slotket- this is the cheapest yet greatest Coppermine compatible slotket I've used.

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Also, can anyone shed me some light on... why is running a 800EB on 440BX not okay? This board ran it crash-free, aside from some funny errors caused by the Radeon 7500 GPU I was using.

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Reply 26311 of 27502, by Trashbytes

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PcBytes wrote on 2024-01-02, 09:58:
Having great success with the slotket and BE6-II. Still gotta find out who made the AA370TS slotket- this is the cheapest yet gr […]
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Having great success with the slotket and BE6-II. Still gotta find out who made the AA370TS slotket- this is the cheapest yet greatest Coppermine compatible slotket I've used.

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Also, can anyone shed me some light on... why is running a 800EB on 440BX not okay? This board ran it crash-free, aside from some funny errors caused by the Radeon 7500 GPU I was using.

A lot of 440BX boards dont handle 133FSB stable, as in mostly the cheaper models or early 440BX boards, later models like your BE6II with some form of chipset cooling can handle 133FSB just fine. That BE6II should be able to handle higher than 133FSB and should handle a lot of torture if you are so inclined.

You can also mod it like its a Ferrari and itll keep on trucking, really great board.

Reply 26312 of 27502, by H3nrik V!

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PcBytes wrote on 2024-01-02, 09:58:

Also, can anyone shed me some light on... why is running a 800EB on 440BX not okay? This board ran it crash-free, aside from some funny errors caused by the Radeon 7500 GPU I was using.

The fact that it is your GPU making trouble confirms the reason - at 133 FSB the AGP is clocked to 89 MHz which is out of spec and some cards don't like ...

Please use the "quote" option if asking questions to what I write - it will really up the chances of me noticing 😀

Reply 26313 of 27502, by H3nrik V!

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Trashbytes wrote on 2024-01-02, 07:03:
I might be remembering incorrectly but Im pretty sure Quantum3D Obsidian had a special 8Mb version that was off the wall expensi […]
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H3nrik V! wrote on 2024-01-02, 05:09:
Slot1 wrote on 2023-12-29, 13:39:
I was testing my Voodoo1 8Mb that I listed on eBay :) Yep, thats also a Eizo s2133, a fantastic monitor. […]
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I was testing my Voodoo1 8Mb that I listed on eBay 😀
Yep, thats also a Eizo s2133, a fantastic monitor.

IMG_E1250.JPG

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8MB Voodoo1? Is that the factory spec, or have you modified it? Always thought that 6MB was the maximum any Voodoo1 cats came with?

I might be remembering incorrectly but Im pretty sure Quantum3D Obsidian had a special 8Mb version that was off the wall expensive, heck I know they had a Voodoo1 with a 2D GPU on it as a daughter board attachment and even a custom SLI Voodoo1. I mean its possible its one of them Obsidian ones but ...they are not exactly cards you find on eBay or really any place outside of collector hands.

The other possibility is its one of them custom Mac Voodoo1 cards, I know they came with 8Mb memory but they couldn't be used on a PC.

Edit - Looked at the pic of it and Im pretty damn sure that's an Obsidian Voodoo1, it doesnt look like a Skywell Voodoo1 which also had 8Mb.
It is a Skywell Voodoo1, took a bit of hunting but they made a PCB identical to the on shown with all the memory on populated one side in the same configuration, in which case it came from the factory like that.

Rather rare card to own, just as expensive to buy too.

Wow, cool! I've seen YouTube videos with people upgrading to 6 and 8 megs, but didn't know that it had been a factory thing as well (except for one 6 MiB Canopus IIRC)

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Reply 26314 of 27502, by Trashbytes

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H3nrik V! wrote on 2024-01-02, 10:20:
PcBytes wrote on 2024-01-02, 09:58:

Also, can anyone shed me some light on... why is running a 800EB on 440BX not okay? This board ran it crash-free, aside from some funny errors caused by the Radeon 7500 GPU I was using.

The fact that it is your GPU making trouble confirms the reason - at 133 FSB the AGP is clocked to 89 MHz which is out of spec and some cards don't like ...

I dont chalk that up to the CPU itself but rather shit dividers, but you just swap to a GPU that does handle overclocked AGP and everything is fine. SO . .really its a GPU issue.

Reply 26315 of 27502, by PcBytes

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Yeah, after moving to a GF4 Ti4200, all is working well, so indeed MS' stock Radeon 7500 drivers included in SP3 were at fault.
Same stock GF4 Ti4200 drivers provided by Microsoft work just fine on XP, so I'm actually blaming the drivers included rather than the card itself - I'll try the 7500 again with ATI's drivers, just to rule out any AGP overclock juju.

As for dividers, I'm using the default 133FSB dividers set by ABIT's Softmenu III - 1/4 for PCI, 2/3 for AGP.
If anyone knows better divider settings that I could work my way onwards from, let me know.

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Reply 26316 of 27502, by H3nrik V!

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Been writing "OK" on my 1.1 GHz CPUs after each made a succesful 3DMark2001 Run on Win 98 😁

Now, the 1000EB is running, looking stable too 😀

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Reply 26317 of 27502, by Slot1

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H3nrik V! wrote on 2024-01-02, 05:09:
Slot1 wrote on 2023-12-29, 13:39:
I was testing my Voodoo1 8Mb that I listed on eBay :) Yep, thats also a Eizo s2133, a fantastic monitor. […]
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I was testing my Voodoo1 8Mb that I listed on eBay 😀
Yep, thats also a Eizo s2133, a fantastic monitor.

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8MB Voodoo1? Is that the factory spec, or have you modified it? Always thought that 6MB was the maximum any Voodoo1 cats came with?

Its factory spec, only 3 companies made a Voodoo1 with 8Mb in limited quantities and it was expensive. This specific card was used lightly in the 90s and stored in a box ever since. It is the fastest factory Voodoo1 card.

Reply 26318 of 27502, by PcBytes

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Taking a break from my BE6-II, I started tackling the BP6. I have been thinking and have finally settled for a Srv2003 Enterprise + Red Hat dualboot.

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Reply 26319 of 27502, by BitWrangler

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Been caught up in the holiday grind one way or another since mid December, might get some free retro time now... Getting real excited that the office room is getting closer to reality, was on hold, now the relative's junk is gone and progress might happen. Needs some R&R doing to it while it's emptyish first. Wife keeps trying to add "while we are at it"s .. no love, that's a whole 'nother project, not an extra 5 mins, I want clearly defined scope that takes a week, not a rambling reno that you're asking me why haven't we finished yet 6 months later.

Anyway, the retro part of that is it looks like there will be room for an approx 5ft long 2ft deep retro desktop, with modern taking the "6ft" arm of the L but not getting the corner, so ~4ft ... and probably a decent amount of shelving against the wall, can probably have some laptops stored to quick swap there, media and reference etc.

Preliminary big box store desk selection seems to be too small or large, and too fussy or too flimsy... one said it had max load of 100lb, eek, can I even bend over that to write on? So I don't know if I'm gonna find something right or have to hew one from a block of oak or something. Wife is set on something crisp and modern or new looking, gotta have a matching pair. Might have to go look at business desk place, consumer stuff is pretty nasty at the moment. One HUGE frustration of desk browsing online is that very few of the sellers seem to understand that the depth of a desk is an important dimension in an L or corner shape, front to back of surface, yes we also need the maximum X and Y and Z height, but I don't want a narrow plank a chromebook barely perches on thank you very much.

So real exciting, proper setup for a few retro machines in prospect.

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