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Reply 13141 of 17405, by gex85

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Super Socket 7 build incoming 😁
Updated my newly acquired Tyan Trinity 100AT (S1590S) with BIOS version B1.16c, patched by J. Steunebrink, to accept my (also newly acquired) K6-2+ 450.

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1992 - i486DX2-66 // 1997 - P1-233 MMX // 1998 - P2-350 // 2000 - P3-650 // 2001 - Athlon 1400 // 2003 - Athlon XP 3200+ // 2008 - Xeon E5450 // 2015 - Xeon E3-1240v5

Reply 13142 of 17405, by Duouk2000

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I've been having some issues installing certain games lately, getting CRC errors and so forth so I finally ran MemTest86 and yeah, one of the RAM sticks is bad. Removed it and started Windows up again and now KOTOR installs and runs as it should. Performance issues with other games have cleared up as well.

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Just organized some of my towers.

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Those are some nice cases in the top middle to top right!

Reply 13143 of 17405, by Ultrax

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Ran ChkCpu on my portable 95 machine (Libretto 50CT) since I couldn't get CPU-Z (tried every old version possible) to work. It reported that my system has a non-MMX, 75 MHz Pentium.

That's cool, but this thing has a Pentium MMX sticker on it! Perhaps ChkCpu is misidentifying the processor, or maybe the only stickers available when this thing was made were the MMX ones? Definitely strange. Still love this little thing though!

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Reply 13144 of 17405, by Thermalwrong

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How much cache does it come up with? I've got one of the early Libretto 50CTs that unfortunately predates the free MMX upgrade (which is excellent to have if you want to overclock it).

There's no L2 cache in the libretto, but an MMX should have 16KB of cache in cachechk, while my non-MMX has 8KB. Also speedsys does some extra tests if there are MMX instructions available.

It looks like CPU-Z (1.78) doesn't work on my Windows 95 either 😀

Reply 13145 of 17405, by Ultrax

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Thermalwrong wrote:

How much cache does it come up with? I've got one of the early Libretto 50CTs that unfortunately predates the free MMX upgrade (which is excellent to have if you want to overclock it).

There's no L2 cache in the libretto, but an MMX should have 16KB of cache in cachechk, while my non-MMX has 8KB. Also speedsys does some extra tests if there are MMX instructions available.

It looks like CPU-Z (1.78) doesn't work on my Windows 95 either 😀

It tells me I have 16 KB of L1 cache. So it is an MMX! Strange how Chkcpu doesn't notice the MMX instructions. Perhaps the program doesn't behave well with these CPUs. Also, what kind of error do you get? I'm trying to run 1.20-something and it gives me an OLE32.DLL error. I'm probably missing some kind of framework it requires.

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Reply 13146 of 17405, by xjas

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Tested a bunch of 386 & 486 stuff out, trying to piece together The One That I'll Keep. Some motherboards I've had in my closet for ages, CPUs I had lying around and from the bag I found in a thrift shop a couple weeks ago, and RAM from who knows where.

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Results: somewhat disappointing. All the CPUs work, after spending most of an hour meticulously un-bending pins. (Protip: a 72-pin SIMM works great as a Socket 3 pin straightener!) The DataExpertHiNT EISA+VLB combo board seems to work fine, but unfortunately I had no luck with the Gigabyte GA-486VS. Tried most of the CPUs, a bunch of different RAM including FPM & EDO, re-doing all the jumpers, etc. but the result was the same: no POST, not even any beeps.

The DataExpert is a pretty neat board, but I'd really prefer to use the Gigabyte for a few reasons - ZIF socket, 3.3V CPU support, and a more modern BIOS presumably supporting larger hard drives being the main ones. I haven't given up on it, but I ran out of stuff I could try for the time being. I got it with the BIOS chip missing so I had to burn my own; it's possible I did it wrong or I used an incompatible EPROM, although it verified OK.

Then I got my stray 386 stuff out and tried to put together a functional system. Same deal - I got both these boards with parts missing and never quite had enough spares to make them both run. I only have one CPU and one main clock oscillator between the two of them, and I still don't have a BIOS for the MSI/Contaq board (left). But I finally managed to get keyboard controllers for both and burnt a BIOS for the Symphony board (right.) With everything installed, I wasn't able to get it to POST either. Maybe my BIOS, maybe something else wrong... I just don't know.

Finally, tired and frustrated from hours of swapping things around & not having any luck, I accidentally installed the oscillator backwards & cooked it. So that's done.

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So out of two 486 & three 386 boards (one in my existing system), I still only have one of each that's confirmed good, but I can't say any of the others are definitely bad either. I hate having projects in limbo.

Endlessly trying things & having them just not work isn't fun. This is really reminding me of why I'm just kinda done with this generation of hardware... I can have a Win98 rig on a Pentium 2 board built from scratch and running 3DMarks in an hour, but this took most of the day and left my parts closet & work table a disaster. My original plan was to upgrade my existing 386 with one of the 486 boards, hang onto that (& probably keep a few choice CPUs since I have a nice spread of speed grades), and Ebay as much of the rest as I can in "tested & working condition." But now I'm thinking I should just flog the lot and build my K5/75 on a nice ATX board with integrated IDE controllers and large-ish HDD support instead. Bleah.

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Reply 13147 of 17405, by derSammler

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Ultrax wrote:

It tells me I have 16 KB of L1 cache. So it is an MMX!

No, it's not. Thermalwrong is wrong here. MMX P55C has 32 KB L1 cache, non-MMX has 16 KB. There never was any P5 CPU with only 8 KB of L1 cache.

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Just organized some of my towers..

Do I see a tower there with a built-in monitor?

Reply 13148 of 17405, by PcBytes

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xjas wrote:

Results: somewhat disappointing. All the CPUs work, after spending most of an hour meticulously un-bending pins. (Protip: a 72-pin SIMM works great as a Socket 3 pin straightener!) The DataExpertHiNT EISA+VLB combo board seems to work fine, but unfortunately I had no luck with the Gigabyte GA-486VS. Tried most of the CPUs, a bunch of different RAM including FPM & EDO, re-doing all the jumpers, etc. but the result was the same: no POST, not even any beeps.

The DataExpert is a pretty neat board, but I'd really prefer to use the Gigabyte for a few reasons - ZIF socket, 3.3V CPU support, and a more modern BIOS presumably supporting larger hard drives being the main ones. I haven't given up on it, but I ran out of stuff I could try for the time being. I got it with the BIOS chip missing so I had to burn my own; it's possible I did it wrong or I used an incompatible EPROM, although it verified OK.

I think I found a dump at this link, have you tried it?

http://th2chips.freeservers.com/ga486vs/index.html

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Reply 13149 of 17405, by wiretap

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derSammler wrote:

Do I see a tower there with a built-in monitor?

Yes -- It is a Dash OPS-1000 with amber CRT in the 5.25" bays.

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Reply 13150 of 17405, by Tiido

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That monitor looks really cool ~

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Good luck there... the number of people into vintage networking is tiny and just as with the video stuff, some things are more sought after than others, and ISA/PCI modems, RTL8139 (typo I assume there) and NE2000 are bottom of the pile. I only manage to shift them by making bigger lots and adding that stuff for free. Apart from perhaps 3c509 cards the chance of flogging that stuff is equally tiny (unless that's an ISA WiFi card, in which case PM me 😉 )

I figured nobody will want these things, especially the two bottom barrel things (and yes, RTL8139), or I wouldn't have so many myself hahahaha. All my machines use Intel or 3com or other fancier NICs... Networking makes file transfer much nicer, the main reason I have NICs in all my computers anyway. One day I should try to set up a DOS LAN party 🤣.
No ISA WiFi card sadly, but I have an ISA PCMCIA adaptor and I will try to get it work with a WiFi card at some point 🤣.

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Reply 13151 of 17405, by Thermalwrong

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derSammler wrote:
Ultrax wrote:

It tells me I have 16 KB of L1 cache. So it is an MMX!

No, it's not. Thermalwrong is wrong here. MMX P55C has 32 KB L1 cache, non-MMX has 16 KB. There never was any P5 CPU with only 8 KB of L1 cache.

That was the bit I didn't want to elaborate on 😜
The non-MMX has 8KB of instruction cache, that I don't think CacheChk can see, and there's 8KB of data cache, which it can. The MMX has a 16KB+16KB configuration instead.

I've been trying to get my Abit AN4 working - a very old VLB board which I bought for parts a couple of months ago, with 2 other corroded boards. This one is now back to operating properly after replacing the corroded bits and patching some wires 😁

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This was my second go, the first time it gave a keyboard controller error. Last time, those wires that are under the hot glue were just long wires going straight to the KBC, it apparently did not like that. I've replaced them with short wires, they're held safely in place with glue and it works again. It got glued because the traces were coming away from the PCB, since the vias are long gone and putting those wires on tugged them a bit too much 😒
It boots and I need to put it into the case with the VLB cards I have. Now I'm up to 2 out of 3 corroded boards working.
Does anyone know if there are any BIOS files available for the AN4?

I also got a Shuttle HOT 317 motherboard, with an AM386DX40 and cache. The only way to identify it was it says so on the BIOS EEPROM.
It wasn't in such bad condition and may have booted / worked without cleaning up the corrosion. Now I've added in a coin cell instead of the NICAD battery. I disconnected the resistor R1, which connects to a diode feeding into the battery, to stop the computer from trying to charge lithium cell.

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Reply 13152 of 17405, by retropol

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wiretap wrote:
Yes -- It is a Dash OPS-1000 with amber CRT in the 5.25" bays. […]
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Do I see a tower there with a built-in monitor?

Yes -- It is a Dash OPS-1000 with amber CRT in the 5.25" bays.

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as i understand this is self-made project?

Reply 13153 of 17405, by dionb

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Tiido wrote:

That monitor looks really cool ~

Indeed. Nice stuff!

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No ISA WiFi card sadly, but I have an ISA PCMCIA adaptor and I will try to get it work with a WiFi card at some point 🤣.

The holy grail would be a PCMCIA (not Cardbus) adapter with WiFi-g and so also WPA support. All the ISA and PCMCIA stuff I've seen is WiFi-b only, which limits security to WEP, which in turn means you have to leave the network wide open to allow them to connect.

Talking about PC-Card stuff, Installed my PCI -> Cardbus adapter in my P3. Good news: it's detected perfectly, drivers install nicely. Bad news: whenever I stick anything in there, it hangs the system when looking for drivers :'(

Not my day in other ways either. Spent half the afternoon getting all the documentation and .cfg files for my EISA cards and transferring all of that plus the AMI cfg.exe to the Gotek. Then hooked up the 486 EISA motherboard and... 0b on POST. Previously messing around with CPU in LIF-socket solved that. Not this time. Also happened when I removed the DS1387 RealtimeRAMified RTC+CMOS module for battery mod. So either some iffy traces in the board have finally died, or that DS1387 is dead. Hope that it's the DS1387, otherwise that board will need major surgery. Either way, my EISA stuff goes back into the box again.

Fortunately a re-check of other old stuff went better. Two 486 boards I want to sell are working fine, as is my old Hedaka 286 (even if it does like scaring me my taking a VERY long time to timeout on bad HDD settings).

Reply 13155 of 17405, by xjas

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PcBytes wrote:

I think I found a dump at this link, have you tried it?

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Thanks, I think that's the one I used. It's also mirrored on here (in the 486 BIOS thread), but I THINK I compared them a while ago & they were the same.

Is there some kind of compatibility guide to what EPROMs to use (or EEPROMs) for PC BIOSes? I literally used an old BIOS chip for this so I thought it'd work, and it verified fine when I burned it. Could this board just be expecting a different type of chip?

@Wiretap: I've said this before, but words can't express how cool I think that thing is. The amber display with a smoked cover in a dark grey case really works. It looks like it came straight off the Nostromo. I also quite like the silver monolith on the middle row - I'd expect to see that cooling liquid nitrogen in a lab somewhere instead of housing PC internals. What is is?

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Reply 13156 of 17405, by Cyrix200+

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Tried to clean up the hobby room a bit. Also built a shelf on top of my old table there to hopefully clear the clutter on the work area a bit. I need to find a way to mount the power strip on the bottom of the shelf to get some more space.

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Reply 13157 of 17405, by wiretap

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retropol wrote:

as i understand this is self-made project?

No, it came like that from the integrator.

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Reply 13158 of 17405, by pan069

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Thermalwrong wrote:

I also got a Shuttle HOT 317 motherboard, with an AM386DX40 and cache. The only way to identify it was it says so on the BIOS EEPROM.
It wasn't in such bad condition and may have booted / worked without cleaning up the corrosion. Now I've added in a coin cell instead of the NICAD battery. I disconnected the resistor R1, which connects to a diode feeding into the battery, to stop the computer from trying to charge lithium cell.

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I have this exact same board. It's my favourite 386DX board, very small foot print. I have 8 megs of RAM installed.

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Reply 13159 of 17405, by SpectriaForce

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appiah4 wrote:

Also, the PCI version of the M64 is much more abundant than the PCI version of a normal TNT2, and they work very well in Socket 7 systems.

Does a proper 128-bit bus TNT2 even exist in PCI? I can't remember ever having seen one.

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