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Reply 17440 of 23302, by Dmetsys

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Rebuilt the Tiger GT200 K6-2 desktop yesterday. Sure enough, the M577 that came with it shit the bed. No beeps, no signs of life. Replaced the M577 with my P5A-B, and now it runs like a treat. Just have to find ways to tidy up the cabling mess that comes with these older Baby-AT based systems.

BE6-II 1.0 | PIII-500 | 320MB | GeForce 2 MX400
P5A-B | K6-2 300 (100x3) | 256MB | GeForce 2 MX
ECS UM4980 | 5x86-P75 | 32MB | 90C33-ZZ (In progress..)
Toshiba Satellite Pro T2155CDS | Compaq Contura 400C
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Reply 17441 of 23302, by Brutek

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chrismeyer6 wrote on 2020-12-07, 18:38:

That's a nice board. I've always liked the DFI lanparty boards.

Yeah, most have reset + power Button and also debug LED.
Standard parts for good mainboards.

Reply 17442 of 23302, by Caluser2000

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Purchased a can of beige matching touch up paint to refresh two 486 cases with surface rust. While I was in town I visited Cash Convertors. Got a set of speakers with AV connections and a HP 19" model L1910 lcd 4:3 monitor for the handsome sum of $nz14. The monitor is fine with no dead pixels.

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There's a glitch in the matrix.
A founding member of the 286 appreciation society.
Apparently 32-bit is dead and nobody likes P4s.
Of course, as always, I'm open to correction...😉

Reply 17444 of 23302, by SodaSuccubus

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The more I spend time with Windows 95/98. The more I honestly start to despise using them.

From all the verious issues running DOS games within 9X, to drivers, to tryna set it up just the way I want, to the instability, it's just tiring and often more pain then it should be.

Im so thankful for all the improvements windows has seen over the years. And for retro computers? I think I'm just gonna stay a DOS person when I don't need 9x specific apps.

Reply 17445 of 23302, by TheMobRules

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SodaSuccubus wrote on 2020-12-10, 00:14:

The more I spend time with Windows 95/98. The more I honestly start to despise using them.

From all the verious issues running DOS games within 9X, to drivers, to tryna set it up just the way I want, to the instability, it's just tiring and often more pain then it should be.

Im so thankful for all the improvements windows has seen over the years. And for retro computers? I think I'm just gonna stay a DOS person when I don't need 9x specific apps.

I know that feeling, my enthusiasm for late 90's stuff plummets once I have to start dealing with Win9x even though I love the hardware and many games of that era.

What I despise the most is that when you mess up a driver installation or need to rollback something it's difficult to know how much garbage is being left behind that will come and bite you later on. DOS in comparison is so much lighter and easier to troubleshoot, just add or remove stuff from CONFIG.SYS/AUTOEXEC.BAT, and you can even install the OS on other machine and transplant it without much hassle... try doing that with Win9x 🤣.

Oh, and I've always despised the "Windows is rebuilding the driver database..." pop-up, that was usually a sign that your OS installation was about to be tainted with useless Windows bloat.

Reply 17446 of 23302, by Bruninho

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With me its the opposite. The more I use the older Windows 9x versions, the more I hate the actual version.

"Design isn't just what it looks like and feels like. Design is how it works."
JOBS, Steve.
READ: Right to Repair sucks and is illegal!

Reply 17447 of 23302, by debs3759

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That's why I install essentials only, just enough to get a system running with apps, but minus drivers for devices that are likely to be swapped out, then make a backup. For me, that means everything except graphics drivers, as my intention has always been to test my collection - thousands of CPUs and graphics cards, plus well over 100 motherboards (motherboards will be tested, to keep the best with a small selection of decent CPUs). Having a basic backup with only graphics drivers needed means I can screw things up as much as I want, and it only takes an hour to restore it 😀

See my graphics card database at www.gpuzoo.com
Constantly being worked on. Feel free to message me with any corrections or details of cards you would like me to research and add.

Reply 17448 of 23302, by Dmetsys

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Got the old T2155CDS up and running. Had to install DOS 6.22 on my Contura 400C, as the T2155CDS didn't come with a floppy drive. Transferred the benchmark apps, drivers, and Windows 3.11 installs using my IDE to USB converter cable. The screen is in need of replacement due to bad shadowing. I might have to explore options for a CDT (Active TFT) replacement.

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P5A-B | K6-2 300 (100x3) | 256MB | GeForce 2 MX
ECS UM4980 | 5x86-P75 | 32MB | 90C33-ZZ (In progress..)
Toshiba Satellite Pro T2155CDS | Compaq Contura 400C
Macintosh Plus

Reply 17449 of 23302, by Caluser2000

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Bruninho wrote on 2020-12-10, 01:38:

With me its the opposite. The more I use the older Windows 9x versions, the more I hate the actual version.

Hah?

There's a glitch in the matrix.
A founding member of the 286 appreciation society.
Apparently 32-bit is dead and nobody likes P4s.
Of course, as always, I'm open to correction...😉

Reply 17450 of 23302, by appiah4

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SodaSuccubus wrote on 2020-12-10, 00:14:

The more I spend time with Windows 95/98. The more I honestly start to despise using them.

From all the verious issues running DOS games within 9X, to drivers, to tryna set it up just the way I want, to the instability, it's just tiring and often more pain then it should be.

Im so thankful for all the improvements windows has seen over the years. And for retro computers? I think I'm just gonna stay a DOS person when I don't need 9x specific apps.

Unfortunately, a good chunk of the games I enjoyed in my teenage years are Win9x games so I can't discard them completely.

To be fair, they also add a fair amount of convenience to a DOS PC, particularly by enabling USB storage support and easy TCP/IP networking. That said, you can always boot a live linux distro aimed at retro computers such as Puppy Retro 4.1.2 to do these..

Retronautics: A digital gallery of my retro computers, hardware and projects.

Reply 17451 of 23302, by Bondi

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TheMobRules wrote on 2020-12-10, 00:32:

What I despise the most is that when you mess up a driver installation or need to rollback something it's difficult to know how much garbage is being left behind that will come and bite you later on. DOS in comparison is so much lighter and easier to troubleshoot, just add or remove stuff from CONFIG.SYS/AUTOEXEC.BAT, and you can even install the OS on other machine and transplant it without much hassle... try doing that with Win9x 🤣.

This is so true. At some point (that comes very soon) I do a clean install of W98. I've done this so many times that I remember the product key literally by heart. 😁

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Reply 17452 of 23302, by xcomcmdr

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My Windows 98SE installation is 5 years old and rock stable. What are you all doing to your installations ?!
In comparison, I had to reinstall Windows XP (multiboot config) twice in the same span of time (HAL corrupted each time, seemingly for no reasons).
And activate the bloody thing via phone, of course. Each time.

Reply 17453 of 23302, by Caluser2000

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xcomcmdr wrote on 2020-12-10, 09:31:

My Windows 98SE installation is 5 years old and rock stable. What are you all doing to your installations ?!
In comparison, I had to reinstall Windows XP (multiboot config) twice in the same span of time (HAL corrupted each time, seemingly for no reasons).
And activate the bloody thing via phone, of course. Each time.

The was my experience with the original version of Windows 98 as well. It was the main family computer for 5-6 years and the ppp gateway for two other systems via my 10Base2 home network. No re-installation carried out in that time just regular maintenance using Crap Cleaner and such. Kario was my firewall and AVG my systems virus scanner.

There's a glitch in the matrix.
A founding member of the 286 appreciation society.
Apparently 32-bit is dead and nobody likes P4s.
Of course, as always, I'm open to correction...😉

Reply 17454 of 23302, by Bondi

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I mostly test different sound cards and softsynth MIDI software on the W98 machine. And it's not that it's unstable. But if something does not work, it's easier to do a clean install, rather that figure out what causes the issue.
And in reverse I have a 5-6 y.o. Win XP install that works absolutely perfectly, despite there is a TON of stuff installed.

PCMCIA Sound Cards chart

Reply 17455 of 23302, by Bruninho

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Caluser2000 wrote on 2020-12-10, 06:10:
Bruninho wrote on 2020-12-10, 01:38:

With me its the opposite. The more I use the older Windows 9x versions, the more I hate the actual version.

Hah?

Windows 3.11 = Great!!
Windows 95 = Good
Windows 98 = Very good
Windows 2000 = Awesome
Windows Me = Garbage
Windows XP, Vista, 7, 8 = Sh*t
Windows 10 = Even with all the Tylenol in the world, I cannot avoid the headache that is to use this pile of sh*t. Wait, I can. Just uninstall it.

IMO Microsoft stopped doing good stuff after 2000.

"Design isn't just what it looks like and feels like. Design is how it works."
JOBS, Steve.
READ: Right to Repair sucks and is illegal!

Reply 17456 of 23302, by foil_fresh

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A rather ad-hoc cooling solution for a GeForce4 Ti4200-8X (winfast A280LE) that had a busted fan.

I realise that the case fan is pushing air away but its pretty drafty and the heatsink is never hot to touch so it seems fine. The sensor was saying 52deg c after running 3dmark 2001 a few times.

Glad it works, bought it in a combo P4 2.4 and intel 845 mobo deal for cheap (too cheap, i think he didnt know what kind of card it was due to the odd labelling), but its gone into my athlonxp 2200+ / asus a7n8x-x nforce board.

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Reply 17457 of 23302, by Bondi

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brief history 😁

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Bruninho wrote on 2020-12-10, 10:14:
Windows 3.11 = Great!! Windows 95 = Good Windows 98 = Very good Windows 2000 = Awesome Windows Me = Garbage Windows XP, Vista, […]
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Caluser2000 wrote on 2020-12-10, 06:10:
Bruninho wrote on 2020-12-10, 01:38:

With me its the opposite. The more I use the older Windows 9x versions, the more I hate the actual version.

Hah?

Windows 3.11 = Great!!
Windows 95 = Good
Windows 98 = Very good
Windows 2000 = Awesome
Windows Me = Garbage
Windows XP, Vista, 7, 8 = Sh*t
Windows 10 = Even with all the Tylenol in the world, I cannot avoid the headache that is to use this pile of sh*t. Wait, I can. Just uninstall it.

IMO Microsoft stopped doing good stuff after 2000.

PCMCIA Sound Cards chart

Reply 17458 of 23302, by appiah4

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Bondi wrote on 2020-12-10, 10:20:

brief history 😁
771px-Windowses.jpg

Bruninho wrote on 2020-12-10, 10:14:
Windows 3.11 = Great!! Windows 95 = Good Windows 98 = Very good Windows 2000 = Awesome Windows Me = Garbage Windows XP, Vista, […]
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Caluser2000 wrote on 2020-12-10, 06:10:

Hah?

Windows 3.11 = Great!!
Windows 95 = Good
Windows 98 = Very good
Windows 2000 = Awesome
Windows Me = Garbage
Windows XP, Vista, 7, 8 = Sh*t
Windows 10 = Even with all the Tylenol in the world, I cannot avoid the headache that is to use this pile of sh*t. Wait, I can. Just uninstall it.

IMO Microsoft stopped doing good stuff after 2000.

Actually that's wrong, as it should have been:

3.0 Good
3.1 Shit
3.11 fWG Good
Win95 Shit
Win98 Good
WinMe Shit
Win2K Good
WinXP Shit
Win2K3 Good
Win Vista Shit
Win 7 Good
Win 8 Shit
Win 8.1 Good
Win 10 Shit

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Reply 17459 of 23302, by Grzyb

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I would say something like this:

95 and 98FE - beta versions of 98SE, avoid
98SE - OK
ME - total mistake, avoid
the original release of XP - beta, avoid
XP with SP2+ - OK