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Reply 10920 of 16739, by liqmat

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detritus olentus wrote:

GX1s of the world's unite! Making my own little 99/00 computer lab.

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detritus olentus wrote:

GX1s of the world's unite! Making my own little 99/00 computer lab.

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What're you planning on doing with them?

I'm actually shocked oeuvre let you slide on this one. Maybe he favors Dell aficionados.

They have now been given the Delletor treatment.

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Reply 10921 of 16739, by dionb

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liqmat wrote:

Can you show us the underbelly of where you soldered? Doesn't look too bad from the top.

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Not as bad a dog's breakfast as I'd feared. Most of the scuffing you see is from the desoldering (first with a hand pump, then cleaned up with a wick).

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This is the first time I've worked on a system with a DS1387. Anyone who has handled them before know what expected behaviour is if you try to boot with the DS1387 removed or defective?

I don't know specifically about the DS1387, but none of my boards that use a DS12887 post without the RTC. If the RTC is there but the battery is dead, I get the "CMOS battery low" but the board is at least able to POST.

Out of interest I tried it with a DS1287. It really didn't like that, not even starting POST. That tells me that whatever is critical is getting through the pins. I think I will try to resurrect the DS1387 - first just give it some new legs (I have a spare socket I can use for that), if that lets the board actually boot again, I'll try modding it.

Reply 10922 of 16739, by Thermalwrong

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Today I have been having a go at getting my "untested" FIC 486 VIP IO2 working... It doesn't!

First of all, there's no resistor pack for the CPU - thanks to this thread - I worked out that mine are 8 pin, 4 pair, 0 Ohms resistor packs, verified with the muitimeter using the resistor pack for the keyboard controller settings. Then I remembered I'd bought a kit of breadboard jumpers, which fit nicely there instead, since I can't find 0 ohm resistor packs for sale.

Turning it on was a disappointment, the PSU, CPU and memory are all known good on other computers, but the ISA diagnostic card just shows "--,--", indicating there's no life.

This is where I'm very glad that I bought a TL866 programmer - reading the NM27C010Q BIOS chip, everything from 0x0000 to 0x7999 is blank, with some references to an NCR53710?
I tried to program it and that failed on the verify stage... is it broken?

Then realised it's a UV EPROM, not an EEPROM, so right now I'm waiting to see if my UV torch is enough to clear it 😁

Then see if it boots at all, fun!
I'll add some pictures tomorrow, maybe make a thread about this pesky motherboard. My quest for a 486 board with PS/2 mouse and VLB continues - my Asus PVI 486 SP3's VLB port doesn't seem to work and although it registers the L2 cache on boot, it's not using it 🙁

edit: bleh, my little UV torch didn't do anything, time to sort out a proper UV light instead, I assume it requires the dangerous to humans frequency rather than the sort you use to make white things glow?

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Reply 10924 of 16739, by appiah4

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Thermalwrong wrote:
Today I have been having a go at getting my "untested" FIC 486 VIP IO2 working... It doesn't! […]
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Today I have been having a go at getting my "untested" FIC 486 VIP IO2 working... It doesn't!

First of all, there's no resistor pack for the CPU - thanks to this thread - I worked out that mine are 8 pin, 4 pair, 0 Ohms resistor packs, verified with the muitimeter using the resistor pack for the keyboard controller settings. Then I realised I'd bought a kit of breakboard jumpers, which fit nicely there instead, since I can't find 0 ohm resistor packs for sale.

Turning it on was a disappointment, the PSU, CPU and memory are all known good on other computers, but the ISA diagnostic card just shows "--,--", indicating there's no life.

This is where I'm very glad that I bought a TL866 programmer - reading the NM27C010Q BIOS chip, everything from 0x0000 to 0x7999 is blank, with some references to an NCR53710?
I tried to program it and that failed on the verify stage... is it broken?

Then realised it's a UV EPROM, not an EEPROM, so right now I'm waiting to see if my UV torch is enough to clear it 😁

Then see if it boots at all, fun!
I'll add some pictures tomorrow, maybe make a thread about this pesky motherboard. My quest for a 486 board with PS/2 mouse and VLB continues - my Asus PVI 486 SP3's VLB port doesn't seem to work and although it registers the L2 cache on boot, it's not using it 🙁

edit: bleh, my little UV torch didn't do anything, time to sort out a proper UV light instead, I assume it requires the dangerous to humans frequency rather than the sort you use to make white things glow?

I need the EXACT same resistor pack for an ECS 486UL-1 board as well, and could not find one. How exactly did you resolve the problem? I am thinking of bridging the socket from below the board with a copper wire, then covering it with hot glue for insulation.. That will lock me to a single CPU though, I am not too keen on it..

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Reply 10925 of 16739, by Thermalwrong

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Could you drop in an compatible EEPROM, at least temporarily, onto the 486 motherboard?

Would be easier for testing.

Ahh excellent point, it looks like the BIOS ROM on my Asus PVI 486SP3 is a 1 mbit EEPROM so I'll try the swap today.

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I need the EXACT same resistor pack for an ECS 486UL-1 board as well, and could not find one. How exactly did you resolve the problem? I am thinking of bridging the socket from below the board with a copper wire, then covering it with hot glue for insulation.. That will lock me to a single CPU though, I am not too keen on it..

I'll post the pictures when I'm back home later today and can get them off of my camera 😀

Reply 10926 of 16739, by appiah4

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I'll post the pictures when I'm back home later today and can get them off of my camera 😀

I saw the solution in your other thread. I'm considering buying one of these, clipping of a 1x8 row, permanently bridging the relevant connections (1-2, 3-4, 5-6, 7-8), covering the top with insulating tape then inserting it into the socket..

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Reply 10927 of 16739, by Thermalwrong

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Try getting some U-shaped breadboard jumper wires like these, the little ones in my kit have some insulation on them:

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Here they are all fitted on, the little green jumpers, they work just the same as the original resistor pack part that was included for the keyboard:

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Sadly, even swapping the BIOS chip over with the one from the Asus board, it's still dead - the damaged solder mask that I spotted by the PCI slots seems like a hallmark of lightning damage to me, so this may not be possible to fix? I don't know where to start for a board that gives nothing on the diagnostic card...

Reply 10928 of 16739, by GigAHerZ

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Thermalwrong, aru you sure the resistorpack works like that for your board?

Usually resistorpacks have one common leg in the first/last position and all the other legs are separate resistors? With that logic, all pins you want to connect, should connect from appropriate pin to the common pin.

"640K ought to be enough for anybody." - And i intend to get every last bit out of it even after loading every damn driver!

Reply 10929 of 16739, by Thermalwrong

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GigAHerZ wrote:

Thermalwrong, aru you sure the resistorpack works like that for your board?

Usually resistorpacks have one common leg in the first/last position and all the other legs are separate resistors? With that logic, all pins you want to connect, should connect from appropriate pin to the common pin.

Yep, I verified with the multimeter, each pair of pins links up with 0 ohms resistance. The thread I linked to said the same thing and swapping the resistor pack from the KBC didn't make any positive/negative difference so I'm pretty sure that's how it works.

Reply 10930 of 16739, by Xicor

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So this may be my new desktop case. Inquiring with the Chinese manufacturer about the case specifics currently. I know, it's a r […]
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So this may be my new desktop case. Inquiring with the Chinese manufacturer about the case specifics currently. I know, it's a rack, but my goodness it's a beauty. That flip down door!!! If I put four rubber feet at the bottom it's a damn desktop! No one can tell me different. 🤣 This will house my dual Pentium Pro build BTW.

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I am hoping the final product does actually say "Industrial Computer" on it. Classic in my book.

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I also find attractive those "flappy door" cases. In fact, a couple of months ago managed to find my favourite HTPC case. It's a OrienAE S14V, and it has a satisfying "flappy door". Although not yet vintage, here it is :

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Ps: stock photos, my case is the black version.... like roiling stones I want "Paint it Black" 🤣

Reply 10932 of 16739, by brostenen

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Tested a harddrive that I recieved in the mail. I was really hoping that it was working. Yet due to extremely bad packing, the drive is DOA. It was packed in the usual envelope, by the usual stupid seller. Connecting any of my working SCSI drives, the controller had no issue finding any of the drives. After 2 hours of reading the manual and batteling with SCSI settings I gave up and requested a refund.

Don't eat stuff off a 15 year old never cleaned cpu cooler.
Those cakes make you sick....

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Reply 10933 of 16739, by doaks80

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Finished testing all my real AWE32 cards (i.e. not SB32 pretenders). Including:
One CT2760.
Two CT3900s.
One CT3980.

The range of sound options is pretty impressive, especially with a DB50X attached to the CT3980:
Adlib/genuine OPL.
GM support on 330 to the daughterboard and presumably gameport (didnt test that).
Turn on aweutil, and GM on 330 via SoundFonts in the expansion ram and the EMU8k (only some real mode games work but some work well).
Native AWE support for protected mode games.
SB16 digital audio support.
And all of the above can be routed through the emu8k and have chorus/reverb applied (maybe not the daughterboard but that should be easy to prove/disprove).

The native AWE mode apparently only uses a tiny 512kb sample ROM but it actually sounds quite good in comparison.

Still not sure any of it sounded quite as good as say the Terratec Maestro though...

k6-3+ 400 / s3 virge DX+voodoo1 / awe32(32mb)
via c3 866 / s3 savage4+voodoo2 sli / audigy1+awe64(8mb)
athlon xp 3200+ / voodoo5 5500 / diamond mx300
pentium4 3400 / geforce fx5950U / audigy2 ZS
core2duo E8500 / radeon HD5850 / x-fi titanium

Reply 10934 of 16739, by dionb

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Out of interest I tried it with a DS1287. It really didn't like that, not even starting POST. That tells me that whatever is critical is getting through the pins. I think I will try to resurrect the DS1387 - first just give it some new legs (I have a spare socket I can use for that), if that lets the board actually boot again, I'll try modding it.

Success!

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Using the spare socket (basically soldering the stunted remains of the legs to the second socket) I've gotten the motherboard talking to the DS1387 again, booting succesfully. Of course, the battery is still dead, but I now know it's worthwhile to take the effort to mod the DS1387 with a new battery 😀

Reply 10935 of 16739, by chrismeyer6

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Excellent work Dionb with that repair. With it confirmed working again you can use an external battery with it. Hell with the second socket you can probably just wire the new battery to the pins on the second socket reducing the risk of damage from opening the RTC

Reply 10936 of 16739, by brostenen

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Testing the IndivisionECS V2 scandoubler a bit further. It is not completely as I want it yet. In workbench, none of my monitor's can not really display it correctly. I have tried an 17 inch Samsung, one 19 inch IBM and finally an 21 inch IBM. Yet on a normal flatscreen tv, the image is displayed correctly and will be displayed edge to edge. However I have found that fiddeling with overscan, I can change the image to something that I like. With some help, I have found a workbench border blanker tool, and I will see how this play's out. Loading games from floppy disks are correctly displayed, so the issue is related to workbench. I need to play some more with settings and see if I can at least center the workbench screen somehow.

The good part is that this scandoubler gives an awesomme signal. The image is chrisp and clear and all colours are wonderfull. I am really happy with this device....

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Don't eat stuff off a 15 year old never cleaned cpu cooler.
Those cakes make you sick....

My blog: http://to9xct.blogspot.dk

001100 010010 011110 100001 101101 110011

Jah ich will trynen... Die Leute wie macht scheisse in dem Grünen.

Reply 10937 of 16739, by SpectriaForce

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I've been searching for socket 7 motherboards on ebay yesterday, does anyone have buying experience with this Polish seller http://www.ebaystores.de/apress-eu ? They seem to have a lot of new old stock hardware. I've asked a question about included accessories of a new motherboard yesterday, but haven't received a reply. I start to doubt that the motherboards are new in box with accessories. I have even seen some boards with bent pins and leaking batteries advertised as brand new. Can anyone confirm that these boards are refurbished or loose replacements? It's also quite weird that they ask hundreds of euro's for some motherboards while others are quite acceptably priced if they are really new and complete (and it has nothing to do with the quality or upgradeability of the boards).

I sell 'ridiculously expensive' retro hardware to people like you. I feel sorry for that.

Reply 10938 of 16739, by dionb

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SpectriaForce wrote:

I've been searching for socket 7 motherboards on ebay yesterday, does anyone have buying experience with this Polish seller http://www.ebaystores.de/apress-eu ? They seem to have a lot of new old stock hardware. I've asked a question about included accessories of a new motherboard yesterday, but haven't received a reply. I start to doubt that the motherboards are new in box with accessories.

I would very much doubt that too. Note the caveat:

Neuer, unbenutzter und unbeschädigter Artikel in nicht geöffneter Originalverpackung (soweit eine Verpackung vorhanden ist).

Nowhere in the description does it mention packaging nor any pics...

I have even seen some boards with bent pins and leaking batteries advertised as brand new. Can anyone confirm that these boards are refurbished or loose replacements? It's also quite weird that they ask hundreds of euro's for some motherboards while others are quite acceptably priced if they are really new and complete (and it has nothing to do with the quality or upgradeability of the boards).

The pricing looks algorithmic, or otherwise possibly just reverse-auction: start insanely high, drop price every so often and keep doing so until someone bites.

Reply 10939 of 16739, by GigAHerZ

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Got some tantalum capacitors and was able to repair a dead Asus EEE PC 1015PEM.

Nice little machine, now saved. 😀

"640K ought to be enough for anybody." - And i intend to get every last bit out of it even after loading every damn driver!