What retro activity did you get up to today?

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Re: What retro activity did you get up to today?

Postby RetroLizard » 2019-3-12 @ 05:27

retardware wrote:
RetroLizard wrote:Yeah, I got the COA with it. :).

Fine! At least at the local ebay many sellers try to sell Windows CDs without COA.
Similar to that scam of only selling the box, but not the contents.


I didn't actually get the OS from an eBay seller. I got it from somebody on OfferUp.
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Re: What retro activity did you get up to today?

Postby brostenen » 2019-3-12 @ 20:49

Upgraded this below, with modern gut's....

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And this is how I did it.
Don't eat stuff off a 15 year old never cleaned cpu cooler.
Those cakes make you sick I tell.... (never tried though)

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Re: What retro activity did you get up to today?

Postby andrea » 2019-3-12 @ 21:51

retardware wrote:
RetroLizard wrote:Apropos scam, I had to find out that the D-Link DGE-528T (Gbit ethernet PCI card) which allegedly offers DOS drivers, actually has only Novell drivers :(
So there seems indeed no way around Intel network card for my upcoming AT class IBM style playstation build. I ordered a Pro/1000 GT, lets see when it arrives.


Those D-Links are actually RTL8169s with a different PCI ID (1186:4300 rather than 8169:10ec, IIRC).
You can either edit the onboard EEPROM (the one I did was DIP-8 so easy enough to desolder without fancy tools) or the drivers to use Genuine Realtek™ drivers, which should exist for pretty much anything.
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Re: What retro activity did you get up to today?

Postby oeuvre » 2019-3-12 @ 22:35

Replaced the motherboard on my HP Compaq nc6230. Still doesn't power on, no LEDs come on. Well, the charging LED comes on briefly and then goes off. Might be an issue with the power adapter.
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Re: What retro activity did you get up to today?

Postby oeuvre » 2019-3-13 @ 01:38

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Re: What retro activity did you get up to today?

Postby liqmat » 2019-3-13 @ 03:01

Finishing up on my year plus Mathematica, Inc. Tempra software archive project. Some more scanning to do, but I can see the finish line. Media Author was the hardest to find. Back in the early 90s that was $1000 software. I was lucky enough to find a sealed copy on Ebay recently fairly cheap.

The two professional products in the middle are Tempra Pro and Show on the left and Tempra Media Author on the right. Basically it was all DOS based software on floppy disks for professional multimedia authoring which included video capture and overlay capabilities. With a decent ISA video capture card it turned your DOS machine into something similar to an Amiga NewTek Video Toaster setup. Tempra Vision and Tempra Access Plus were newer CD-ROM based software for Windows more oriented for light personal use. Mathematica, Inc. finally went belly up in the mid 1990s.

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Re: What retro activity did you get up to today?

Postby gdjacobs » 2019-3-13 @ 03:09

andrea wrote:
retardware wrote:
RetroLizard wrote:Apropos scam, I had to find out that the D-Link DGE-528T (Gbit ethernet PCI card) which allegedly offers DOS drivers, actually has only Novell drivers :(
So there seems indeed no way around Intel network card for my upcoming AT class IBM style playstation build. I ordered a Pro/1000 GT, lets see when it arrives.


Those D-Links are actually RTL8169s with a different PCI ID (1186:4300 rather than 8169:10ec, IIRC).
You can either edit the onboard EEPROM (the one I did was DIP-8 so easy enough to desolder without fancy tools) or the drivers to use Genuine Realtek™ drivers, which should exist for pretty much anything.


Realtek has NDIS and ODI drivers, but no packet driver (for the RTL8168 family, RTL8139 has everything). You can always use ODI with a packet driver shim on top.
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Re: What retro activity did you get up to today?

Postby dkarguth » 2019-3-13 @ 06:34

Received my 386 motherboard yesterday, and it did not work. It did not generate a display, and gave a constant beep. I noticed it had some corrosion around the old battery spot, so I inspected it and ohmed out the traces, and noticed that 3 of them were broken.
I then took the Pace Microchine out for a spin and did some trace repair. I think it turned out pretty well, considering it's my first time!
Before: (bottom left diagonal traces below keyboard connector)
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The motherboard is now alive and well, and is happy in its new home! I need to make a new sticker for it now that it's a 386 and not a 286.
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Here's the board for anyone interested. It's a clone of a SOYO board made by FUYU. The date code on the 386 says 1989, and I found a sticker on the board that says '90. I would date this board early 1990.
It uses SIPP RAM and is fully loaded with 16 MB of it. It uses an Intel 386DX-20, and I have a 387 installed.
https://stason.org/TULARC/pc/motherboar ... Y-018.html
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The first thing I noticed about this board is how hilariously huge it is. Here it is in comparison to the 286 board I was using before I got the 386. It barely fits into the case I installed it in. Less than .5" (1.25 cm) clearance on all sides.
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I also added a SCSI Caddy CD-ROM drive. Some people hate the caddies, but I like them because they:
1) Protect your disks
2) Make a satisfying "Clunk" sound when inserted
3) They don't knock crap off my desk when I bump the eject button.
It's a Toshiba XM3401B. I also installed a Trantor T-160 SCSI card, and replaced my dying IBM IDE drive with a Maxtor LXT213SY 215MB SCSI drive.
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Re: What retro activity did you get up to today?

Postby bjwil1991 » 2019-3-13 @ 11:50

Finally got the FIC K8M-800M to boot. It was the ATX-ATX w/ -5VDC that caused the issues for some odd reason. Built another Windows 98SE machine out of spare parts and will burn drivers on a CD for the chipset, video, the whole 9 yards. Old school LAN party will be coming up.

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IT LIVES!!!


This was me when I finally got that board to work:

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I almost gave up, but, after looking at what happened and did a test with the spare parts (the Socket 370 board wouldn't power on either with the adapter, but, it does now without it), I patted myself on the back. All it needs now is a CR2032 battery and an OS.
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Re: What retro activity did you get up to today?

Postby liqmat » 2019-3-13 @ 12:06

dkarguth wrote:Received my 386 motherboard yesterday, and it did not work. It did not generate a display, and gave a constant beep. I noticed it had some corrosion around the old battery spot, so I inspected it and ohmed out the traces, and noticed that 3 of them were broken.
I then took the Pace Microchine out for a spin and did some trace repair. I think it turned out pretty well, considering it's my first time!

After:
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The motherboard is now alive and well, and is happy in its new home!

Nice board and nice work!
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Re: What retro activity did you get up to today?

Postby Deksor » 2019-3-13 @ 13:05

You should cure the corrosion with vinegar, because it will continue eating the traces.

By the way, this is an AT motherboard, opposed to the Baby AT format ^^
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Re: What retro activity did you get up to today?

Postby TheAbandonwareGuy » 2019-3-13 @ 20:35

Bought a pile of computer parts off what I assume was a methhead for $5. Some of this stuff is from the 1970s, does anyone have ANY clue what this stuff is? My knowledge is limited prior to 1990.

The only one I've been able to identify is the SD Sales Micronix Z8800B CPU card for the S100 bus (Altair and clones?) and a Cirrus Logic VLB Video board (not pictured). I'm assuming most of the weird edge connectors are various CPU cards and the VLB cards are ram expanders? They aren't complex enough to video cards, not do they have any video outputs. I'm at a loss here.

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Re: What retro activity did you get up to today?

Postby liqmat » 2019-3-13 @ 20:44

Vcfed.org time. Some of those look like S-100 cards. ^^^
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Re: What retro activity did you get up to today?

Postby TheAbandonwareGuy » 2019-3-13 @ 21:54

liqmat wrote:Vcfed.org time. Some of those look like S-100 cards. ^^^


Didn't realize they had an active S100 scene over their. Posted, thanks.
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Re: What retro activity did you get up to today?

Postby Merovign » 2019-3-14 @ 06:42

The to two with the wider center connector look like S-100 bus cards, the lower ones look like funky proprietary buses used on various industrial or tool equipment, I got a bunch recently that I thought might be S100 but a quick measurement of the connector said they weren't.

What I had were from a few HP test boxes and a light industrial milling machine.

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Technically last night but I got my PCI Mac Rage128 working on a Beige G3, but my Power Computing Powerbase 180 doesn't want to recognize it despite having the drivers. Still have to drag down the Power Tower 225 and test it.

For whatever reason both PC and Mac people think early-mid ATI cards are super rare and keep flashing and occasionally bricking the cards, and the flashed cards end up on the market and dumped as not working. It's too bad the communities don't talk that much, y'all could just *trade cards* since the Mac people seem to have all the PC ones and the PC people seem to have all the Mac ones.
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Re: What retro activity did you get up to today?

Postby appiah4 » 2019-3-14 @ 06:55

I actually badly want a PCI Rage 128 for PC and cant find one for a reasonable price or trade offer..
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Re: What retro activity did you get up to today?

Postby ynari » 2019-3-14 @ 11:44

I re-purposed an SAS 5/IR RAID card status cable to link my pentium II motherboard speaker connection to the AWE64 - Might and Magic 3 sounds so much better, and the speech is pretty decent.

Need to check the CD audio cable is working tonight, and then that's pretty much a completed build, case will be staying on. p2 300MHz, 384MB, Intel NIC, Geforce MX400, Voodoo 2, Musicquest MIDI card, AWE64, an SSD, and HxC floppy/SD card. The XP/Windows 8 gaming box is also in what is likely to be its final state, so it's only the 486 that now needs building (underclock a DX2-66 to a DX2-40, stick in a Reelmagic card, SB16, and a 5.25" floppy).

Also tried playing Sam and Max, and found the same hanging issues as everyone else when trying to have SoundBlaster sound and General MIDI music. If run under OS/2 it prints out a stack trace before hanging.

I'm sure I have had it working, may well try getting it working on the 486.
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Re: What retro activity did you get up to today?

Postby Dragon Caesar » 2019-3-15 @ 03:49

Installed NT and tested out recently acquired floppy drives. First two I tried out of the batch had issues which didn't give me hope for the others. Oddly enough though, the rest worked fine.
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Re: What retro activity did you get up to today?

Postby luckybob » 2019-3-15 @ 04:00

I recently bought an anesty ZD-915 desolder gun. Cheap chinese shit. HOWEVER it seems to be perfectly functional.

Tonight I spent over an hour desoldering 387 pins on a dual socket 8 motherboard. The socket was somehow shorted when I inserted a processor, so I'm 1/2 way into replacing the socket.

Hell, I got the damn thing out with only a few pins that decided to stay behind. Those were easyiy removed with a bit of gentile persuasion from tweezers, and only one was stubburn enough to warrant me getting the desolder gun out again.

I'll be testing the board to be sure the short wasn't somewhere else and reinstalling a NOS cpu socket.

387 pins and ZERO broken pads? Well worth the $130 I paid for the machine. Works perfectly for recapping boards. link: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07542D82F/

edit: https://imgur.com/gallery/dYLN2C9 <- pic of socket
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Re: What retro activity did you get up to today?

Postby Merovign » 2019-3-15 @ 05:02

appiah4 wrote:I actually badly want a PCI Rage 128 for PC and cant find one for a reasonable price or trade offer..


I got a couple with old PCs and the one I bought for the mac was $10 plus shipping on ebay.

Patience and keep an eye out.

Though it looks like people keep driving prices up by bricking them by flashing the wrong one (it's often fixable if you can pull the ROM but people throw them out).
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