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Reply 22161 of 23327, by BitWrangler

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386SX wrote on 2022-07-09, 10:45:

Next time I'll try to polish the core side of the heatsink metal to make it almost reflective and using a better thermal paste, maybe I'll save a couple less degrees on its temperature.

Back in the day we were always having to tell the n00bs, "You don't want it shiny, you want it flat, shiny is sometimes a result of extremely flat, but you're not aiming for shiny!" ..... so yeah, don't go telling a new bunch of n00bs that shiny is the thing plzkthx 🤣

Unicorn herding operations are proceeding, but all the totes of hens teeth and barrels of rocking horse poop give them plenty of hiding spots.

Reply 22162 of 23327, by 386SX

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BitWrangler wrote on 2022-07-10, 16:16:
386SX wrote on 2022-07-09, 10:45:

Next time I'll try to polish the core side of the heatsink metal to make it almost reflective and using a better thermal paste, maybe I'll save a couple less degrees on its temperature.

Back in the day we were always having to tell the n00bs, "You don't want it shiny, you want it flat, shiny is sometimes a result of extremely flat, but you're not aiming for shiny!" ..... so yeah, don't go telling a new bunch of n00bs that shiny is the thing plzkthx 🤣

Yes I suppose it's better to say that it should be "so flat that the heatsink becomes reflective" or something like it cause cheap heatsink are really bad on the surface work done by factory and I suppose the thermal paste doesn't need those metal imperfections to cover the missing points of contact. 😉
Anyway I suppose it's all about few degrees of differences anyway.. it's the quite wide core area of the APU compared to the compact usual environment that make it difficult to keep temps low.

Reply 22163 of 23327, by BitWrangler

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386SX wrote on 2022-07-10, 16:32:
BitWrangler wrote on 2022-07-10, 16:16:
386SX wrote on 2022-07-09, 10:45:

Next time I'll try to polish the core side of the heatsink metal to make it almost reflective and using a better thermal paste, maybe I'll save a couple less degrees on its temperature.

Back in the day we were always having to tell the n00bs, "You don't want it shiny, you want it flat, shiny is sometimes a result of extremely flat, but you're not aiming for shiny!" ..... so yeah, don't go telling a new bunch of n00bs that shiny is the thing plzkthx 🤣

Yes I suppose it's better to say that it should be "so flat that the heatsink becomes reflective" or something like it cause cheap heatsink are really bad on the surface work done by factory and I suppose the thermal paste doesn't need those metal imperfections to cover the missing points of contact. 😉
Anyway I suppose it's all about few degrees of differences anyway.. it's the quite wide core area of the APU compared to the compact usual environment that make it difficult to keep temps low.

My personal preference, was to stop at 1200 grit with a satiny finish, which I did with the paper taped down to a glass door off an old entertainment unit (a smallish, thickish one, that looked optically flat.) Then at that point I'd get a cotton rag and rub zinc oxide paste into it, which typically had the effect of shining it, but then all remaining defects would be packed with zinc oxide and metal particles, and then dry wipe it, to leave whatever "stuff" was filling them filling them (A metal polish would leave waxes in there which "gloss over" things rather than helping them out for heat transfer.) So yeah, mine turned out shiny, but, some people were taking them straight out the box and attacking them with a buffing wheel and brasso, to merely shine them up, which don't do crap for them.

Unicorn herding operations are proceeding, but all the totes of hens teeth and barrels of rocking horse poop give them plenty of hiding spots.

Reply 22164 of 23327, by JustJulião

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Made a small PowerVR Machine (PowerVR PCX2 based) on a MSI Desktop base.
It includes a 810 based motherboard, a Matrox M3D, 256MB 133MHz and a 1GHz Coppermine. Pimped with a PowerVR sticker and a slot-in Pioneer DVD reader. It's running cool and silent with WinME.
For now it's running with a SATA controller (SI 3512) on a 2.5" disk but I might migrate on a CF card. The freed PCI slot might be used either for a better primary card to be paired with a PowerVR (Tseng ET6000 or ATi Rage LT Pro PCI) or an exhaust PCI fan below the M3D card.
Onscreen : One of Videologic Apocalypse SGL Screensavers.

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Reply 22165 of 23327, by Meatball

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JustJulião wrote on 2022-07-10, 20:02:
Made a small PowerVR Machine (PowerVR PCX2 based) on a MSI Desktop base. It includes a 810 based motherboard, a Matrox M3D, 256M […]
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Made a small PowerVR Machine (PowerVR PCX2 based) on a MSI Desktop base.
It includes a 810 based motherboard, a Matrox M3D, 256MB 133MHz and a 1GHz Coppermine. Pimped with a PowerVR sticker and a slot-in Pioneer DVD reader. It's running cool and silent with WinME.
For now it's running with a SATA controller (SI 3512) on a 2.5" disk but I might migrate on a CF card. The freed PCI slot might be used either for a better primary card to be paired with a PowerVR (Tseng ET6000 or ATi Rage LT Pro PCI) or an exhaust PCI fan below the M3D card.
Onscreen : One of Videologic Apocalypse SGL Screensavers.
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THAT is an awesome desktop you put together. Where can I get one of those cases? I should I have asked 20 years ago???

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Reply 22166 of 23327, by Joseph_Joestar

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Decided to test out the Sold Out version of Tomb Raider 1&2 which I bought recently. To my surprise, TR1 didn't play CD audio music. At first, I thought my sound card had somehow muted it, but nope, turns out someone else had the same issue with the Sold Out release.

I'm never buying a Sold Out game again. Despite their ultra cheap prices, it's just not worth the risk.

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Reply 22167 of 23327, by JustJulião

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Meatball wrote on 2022-07-10, 20:30:
JustJulião wrote on 2022-07-10, 20:02:
Made a small PowerVR Machine (PowerVR PCX2 based) on a MSI Desktop base. It includes a 810 based motherboard, a Matrox M3D, 256M […]
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Made a small PowerVR Machine (PowerVR PCX2 based) on a MSI Desktop base.
It includes a 810 based motherboard, a Matrox M3D, 256MB 133MHz and a 1GHz Coppermine. Pimped with a PowerVR sticker and a slot-in Pioneer DVD reader. It's running cool and silent with WinME.
For now it's running with a SATA controller (SI 3512) on a 2.5" disk but I might migrate on a CF card. The freed PCI slot might be used either for a better primary card to be paired with a PowerVR (Tseng ET6000 or ATi Rage LT Pro PCI) or an exhaust PCI fan below the M3D card.
Onscreen : One of Videologic Apocalypse SGL Screensavers.
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THAT is an awesome desktop you put together. Where can I get one of those cases? I should I have asked 20 years ago???

Thank you.
I found mine in the office I work in that used to host an hardware reseller but it's not rare online, I came accross one of those twice without searching for it (I was searching for a replacement motherboard, MS-6351 if it can help).
I'll check if I see some marking.
I was wrong btw, it's 815 based, I was thinking that only 810's have an IGP.

Reply 22168 of 23327, by Meatball

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JustJulião wrote on 2022-07-10, 20:42:
Thank you. I found mine in the office I work in that used to host an hardware reseller but it's not rare online, I came accross […]
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Meatball wrote on 2022-07-10, 20:30:
JustJulião wrote on 2022-07-10, 20:02:
Made a small PowerVR Machine (PowerVR PCX2 based) on a MSI Desktop base. It includes a 810 based motherboard, a Matrox M3D, 256M […]
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Made a small PowerVR Machine (PowerVR PCX2 based) on a MSI Desktop base.
It includes a 810 based motherboard, a Matrox M3D, 256MB 133MHz and a 1GHz Coppermine. Pimped with a PowerVR sticker and a slot-in Pioneer DVD reader. It's running cool and silent with WinME.
For now it's running with a SATA controller (SI 3512) on a 2.5" disk but I might migrate on a CF card. The freed PCI slot might be used either for a better primary card to be paired with a PowerVR (Tseng ET6000 or ATi Rage LT Pro PCI) or an exhaust PCI fan below the M3D card.
Onscreen : One of Videologic Apocalypse SGL Screensavers.
20220710_215211.jpg
20220710_205815.jpg

THAT is an awesome desktop you put together. Where can I get one of those cases? I should I have asked 20 years ago???

Thank you.
I found mine in the office I work in that used to host an hardware reseller but it's not rare online, I came accross one of those twice without searching for it (I was searching for a replacement motherboard, MS-6351 if it can help).
I'll check if I see some marking.
I was wrong btw, it's 815 based, I was thinking that only 810's have an IGP.

Thanks a lot!

And the 815s can have an IGP. The Intel D815EEA (which I own) has an IGP, for example.

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Reply 22169 of 23327, by chrismeyer6

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JustJulião wrote on 2022-07-10, 20:02:
Made a small PowerVR Machine (PowerVR PCX2 based) on a MSI Desktop base. It includes a 810 based motherboard, a Matrox M3D, 256M […]
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Made a small PowerVR Machine (PowerVR PCX2 based) on a MSI Desktop base.
It includes a 810 based motherboard, a Matrox M3D, 256MB 133MHz and a 1GHz Coppermine. Pimped with a PowerVR sticker and a slot-in Pioneer DVD reader. It's running cool and silent with WinME.
For now it's running with a SATA controller (SI 3512) on a 2.5" disk but I might migrate on a CF card. The freed PCI slot might be used either for a better primary card to be paired with a PowerVR (Tseng ET6000 or ATi Rage LT Pro PCI) or an exhaust PCI fan below the M3D card.
Onscreen : One of Videologic Apocalypse SGL Screensavers.
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That is an awesome Power VR setup you built. That's a sweet desktop case you found.

Reply 22170 of 23327, by PTherapist

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Joseph_Joestar wrote on 2022-07-10, 20:36:

Decided to test out the Sold Out version of Tomb Raider 1&2 which I bought recently. To my surprise, TR1 didn't play CD audio music. At first, I thought my sound card had somehow muted it, but nope, turns out someone else had the same issue with the Sold Out release.

I'm never buying a Sold Out game again. Despite their ultra cheap prices, it's just not worth the risk.

Yep, the Sold Out version of TR1 is really shoddy. I remember when I bought it and discovered the missing audio, I ended up downloading the audio tracks and burning a backup copy of the CD with the audio tracks restored.

Reply 22171 of 23327, by Joseph_Joestar

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PTherapist wrote on 2022-07-11, 10:17:

Yep, the Sold Out version of TR1 is really shoddy. I remember when I bought it and discovered the missing audio, I ended up downloading the audio tracks and burning a backup copy of the CD with the audio tracks restored.

What really annoyed me was that they bothered enough to populate the TR1 disc with "empty" CD audio tracks. So the game actually appears to be playing something, but there is no sound. Windows Media Player can also "play" the tracks, but of course there is only silence.

This tripped me up and made me think that my sound card was somehow at fault. Even weirder, the TR2 disc from that same Sold Out release has all the CD audio tracks present and working fine, as far as I can tell.

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Reply 22172 of 23327, by Sombrero

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Just yesterday I was messing about with Sold Out rerelease of Cannon Fodder or a redump cd image of it to be precise, and turned out the adobe acrobat files on the disc are corrupt. So either the guys at redump ripped the disc wrong and got wrong hashes for it or the Sold Out version has corrupt adobe acrobat installer in there.

Not the worst thing ever, but they clearly weren't big on quality control. What annoys me more is that the game still has the good old find the word from manual copy protection, and I'm pretty sure the manual exists only as a pdf on the disc.

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Reply 22173 of 23327, by BetaC

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And the SE/30 is done, at least for now. It’s usually running 7.1, but I have 8.1 running well for the sake of it. Because I can, really.

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Reply 22174 of 23327, by AppleSauce

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Managed to finally get the last few power supplies needed to get my midi switchbox setup going.

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Now I can finally run my MT32/CM32L/SC-55/SC-55Mk2/MU80 at the press of two buttons.

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Here's a better look , its turned into a bit of a rats nest though since I'm terrible at cable management.
For the audio I've got a 8 port RCA switcher at the moment though I might be better off getting a mixer in the future.

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The cables from the MPU 105 go into the 401.

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I also managed to find a switcher for my three sound cards : SB Pro 2 / AWE64 Gold / Gravis Ultrasound Clone.
I've also got a cmslpt or a tndlpt that could go on the fourth jack for a total of 4 sound devices.
It's quite handy.

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Both the sound card audio and the synths audio go to an Altec Lansing ACS 45.1 speaker set with amp which lets you mix 2 audio sources.

Reply 22175 of 23327, by RetroGamer4Ever

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I'm looking into acquiring some Yamaha MU2000EX units and any desirable PLG-150/100 boards that I can get my hands on, to fill them. The most plentiful/available boards seem to be the Virtual Accoustic Woodwind/Brass and Latin Drum boards, which are also the most desirable for composition and playback purposes. There is another Drum board that has assorted "Live" drums of various types, but it isn't one of the more readily available boards and is hard to come by. Based on what I have been able to learn about the boards, a good build-out for a multi-purpose unit would be one of the Latin Drum/Live Drum boards and two of the Virtual Accoustic boards. Beyond that, a unit filled with 3 of the VA boards would also be a useful build, but only for creative purposes and not playback of game MIDIs, as the VL feature of the XG spec was never used in any games.

One of the interesting things about these add-in boards is that the Piano, Drum, and XG-module boards all use the same chips and a dual-chip PCB design, but obviously have different respective ROM banks. The XG and Drum boards use a single chip build, but obviously use the same dual-chip PCB board as the Piano boards, making it possible to harvest another identical chip from a donor board of the same model and install it, thereby doubling the performance of the XG or Drum board installed in a unit, which is why the Piano boards have higher performance, due to their use of two processors, instead of one. On paper, you could even combine the respective banks from the Live Drum and Latin Drum modules into a single board and run it with two chips for max performance capability.

Reply 22176 of 23327, by Horun

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BitWrangler wrote on 2022-07-10, 18:44:

My personal preference, was to stop at 1200 grit with a satiny finish,

Good thinking ! All the original Intel and AMD CPU's and heatsinks were not "mirror" finish for a reason. Microscopically speaking: small imperfections give more surface area which can translate to more heat transfer with proper goop.

BetaC wrote on 2022-07-11, 11:11:

And the SE/30 is done, at least for now. It’s usually running 7.1, but I have 8.1 running well for the sake of it. Because I can, really.

Very nice !

Hate posting a reply and then have to edit it because it made no sense 😁 First computer was an IBM 3270 workstation with CGA monitor.

Reply 22177 of 23327, by stege

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Have created this meme:

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Miss the monkey island days, the space quest days, even the longest journey days.

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Reply 22178 of 23327, by creepingnet

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Well...im on a losing streak with the VersaDock... Ordered a PSU on evilbay and it had the same burned up pcb.....maybe worse actually as the resistors fell out. Might just scrap the thing. I dont really need it with a desktop 486 with omi installed and a working xj10bt pcmcia network card...plus 802.11b phone tethering.

Bloody P75s screen got hit. Hoping I can order a replacement...or get a 640x480 and put the 800x600 in the p75.

Its been 102 degrees out there, otherwise Id be putting a new oil sump on the lawn mower im restoring.

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Reply 22179 of 23327, by GigAHerZ

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Horun wrote on 2022-07-12, 02:00:
BitWrangler wrote on 2022-07-10, 18:44:

My personal preference, was to stop at 1200 grit with a satiny finish,

Good thinking ! All the original Intel and AMD CPU's and heatsinks were not "mirror" finish for a reason. Microscopically speaking: small imperfections give more surface area which can translate to more heat transfer with proper goop.

Perfectly flat mirror against mirror is always better than any goop. While you may have more surface area, you are filling it with goop and goop is always worse than metal itself. Therefore, filling the imperfections with metal is better over filling it with goop.

Usually the bigger problem is that even with mirror finish, the surfaces are not exactly flat but curved. If you can keep the surface flat, you really don't want any goop at all. (With 2 flat mirror-finish surfaces, the goop would be perfectly pushed out anyways)

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