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Reply 6600 of 27640, by brostenen

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Today, I retested my Medion Radeon-9800-XXL to see if it still works. And for that I decided to reinstall my P-III-933 machine.
It is an Intel d815eea2 board, with a P-III-933/133fsb, 512mb Ram and YMF-724. The usual floppy/DVD/Pata for drives.

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Anyway...
Card works, and works well.
After a complete run with 3D-Mark2000, I resinstalled the machine completely with the GF3-ti200/128mb.
Still thinking that I might use a GF4-ti4200 instead of the GF3-ti200. Or just downgrade to a more era correct GF2-GTS.
Hmmm.... What to use from the collection?

Hopefully the recapped Amiga600 motherboard will arive tomorrow, according to Track&Trace, it has entered the country.
Then there will be no Pentium-III on the table. That's for shure... 😁

Don't eat stuff off a 15 year old never cleaned cpu cooler.
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Reply 6602 of 27640, by thedean316

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Joined this fantastic Board after lurking for a long time.

Worked on efficient storage of my computer collection on some newly built shelves.

Edited a video.

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Reply 6604 of 27640, by xplus93

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lazibayer wrote:

I managed to assemble the 1.8 inch drive back together and made a spin-up and -down video.

You got a micro hard drive apart and back together? 😲

Also, took pics of my ALR minus the NIC because I can't decide which one I want to use. Intel vs 3com, both EISA, both fast ethernet.

http://imgur.com/a/jog7X

XPS 466V|486-DX2|64MB|#9 GXE 1MB|SB32 PnP
Presario 4814|PMMX-233|128MB|Trio64
XPS R450|PII-450|384MB|TNT2 Pro| TB Montego
XPS B1000r|PIII-1GHz|512MB|GF2 PRO 64MB|SB Live!
XPS Gen2|P4 EE 3.4|2GB|GF 6800 GT OC|Audigy 2

Reply 6605 of 27640, by lazibayer

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xplus93 wrote:

You got a micro hard drive apart and back together? 😲

Also, took pics of my ALR minus the NIC because I can't decide which one I want to use. Intel vs 3com, both EISA, both fast ethernet.

http://imgur.com/a/jog7X

From hinsight... I should probably have done the filming before tearing it down to pieces.

Reply 6606 of 27640, by xplus93

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lazibayer wrote:
xplus93 wrote:

You got a micro hard drive apart and back together? 😲

Also, took pics of my ALR minus the NIC because I can't decide which one I want to use. Intel vs 3com, both EISA, both fast ethernet.

http://imgur.com/a/jog7X

From hinsight... I should probably have done the filming before tearing it down to pieces.

Didn't even watch the video. I thought you meant it was still in working condition.

XPS 466V|486-DX2|64MB|#9 GXE 1MB|SB32 PnP
Presario 4814|PMMX-233|128MB|Trio64
XPS R450|PII-450|384MB|TNT2 Pro| TB Montego
XPS B1000r|PIII-1GHz|512MB|GF2 PRO 64MB|SB Live!
XPS Gen2|P4 EE 3.4|2GB|GF 6800 GT OC|Audigy 2

Reply 6607 of 27640, by lazibayer

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xplus93 wrote:

Didn't even watch the video. I thought you meant it was still in working condition.

In fact... I spent quite some time convincing the guy who loaned me that quarter that it'll be a waste of time to hook the drive to a computer and see if it still works.

Reply 6608 of 27640, by xplus93

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lazibayer wrote:
xplus93 wrote:

Didn't even watch the video. I thought you meant it was still in working condition.

In fact... I spent quite some time convincing the guy who loaned me that quarter that it'll be a waste of time to hook the drive to a computer and see if it still works.

So, it was already broken? If so then who cares.

XPS 466V|486-DX2|64MB|#9 GXE 1MB|SB32 PnP
Presario 4814|PMMX-233|128MB|Trio64
XPS R450|PII-450|384MB|TNT2 Pro| TB Montego
XPS B1000r|PIII-1GHz|512MB|GF2 PRO 64MB|SB Live!
XPS Gen2|P4 EE 3.4|2GB|GF 6800 GT OC|Audigy 2

Reply 6609 of 27640, by BeginnerGuy

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Finally got my slot 1 machine going with a Pentium II 266mhz on win 98 SE. Feels nice to be on real hardware instead of a VM finally.

Now the big question is what should I play??? 😎

Sup. I like computers. Are you a computer?

Reply 6610 of 27640, by lazibayer

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xplus93 wrote:

So, it was already broken? If so then who cares.

That conversation happened after I showed him the footage. I spent the time convincing him that an open hard drive is a dead hard drive.

Reply 6611 of 27640, by NamelessPlayer

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PTherapist wrote:

Finally got around to flashing a Voodoo3 2000 PCI card from a Mac ROM back to a PC ROM. I no longer had any need for a Mac capable Voodoo 3 and my AMD K6-2 450 system needed a Graphics card. This particular PC only had SIS 530 onboard graphics, so the Voodoo3 is a vast improvement and working well. I might add a fan to this card at some point, it seems to run much hotter than my other Voodoo3 cards.

Oh god, the SiS 530... that thing won't even keep DirectDraw acceleration if you update DirectX past a certain version, so I don't blame you for wanting to replace it with a proper graphics card. The Voodoo3 should suffice nicely.

Next thing I know, you'll be telling me the mobo is that godawful PC-Chips M598 I had to put up with back in the day.

I wouldn't mind having a PCI V3 or V5 at some point, though; my Macs are practically begging for it. On the other hand, even a V2 gets bottlenecked in a 6500/250. Perhaps they're best saved for 604 or 750/G3 systems. What's your experience with Mac GPU/CPU performance balancing in games?

Reply 6612 of 27640, by appiah4

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Received in the mail some SIMMs and tools I've been waiting for..

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And upgraded my S3 Trio64V2/DX from 1MB VRAM to 2MB VRAM.

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No idea what good it will do or what PC I would use it in, but oh well - if I ever end up with a Socket 5 DOS PC, it would be a good fit I presume.

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Reply 6613 of 27640, by PTherapist

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Oh god, the SiS 530... that thing won't even keep DirectDraw acceleration if you update DirectX past a certain version, so I don't blame you for wanting to replace it with a proper graphics card. The Voodoo3 should suffice nicely.

Next thing I know, you'll be telling me the mobo is that godawful PC-Chips M598 I had to put up with back in the day.

I wouldn't mind having a PCI V3 or V5 at some point, though; my Macs are practically begging for it. On the other hand, even a V2 gets bottlenecked in a 6500/250. Perhaps they're best saved for 604 or 750/G3 systems. What's your experience with Mac GPU/CPU performance balancing in games?

The motherboard is a Gigabyte GA-5SMM. I do own 2 Socket 7 era PC Chips motherboards though and know all too well how poor they can be, particularly fake cache issues etc.

I used the Voodoo3 previously on a Beige Power Macintosh G3 Desktop. It was certainly an improvement over the onboard ATI 3D Rage Pro 2MB. I later replaced it with an ATI Rage 128 16MB PCI card though. The Voodoo3 is probably the better card of the 2, but the Rage 128 allowed me to play around with Mac OS X where the Voodoo3 is not supported at all.

Game performance is definitely skewed towards a decent GPU first. As an example, I ran "Tomb Raider - The Last Revelation" on both my Power Macintosh G3 and an iMac G3 Rev. D. The iMac CPU was 33MHz faster than the Power Mac, but had terrible onboard ATI Rage Pro 6MB graphics vs the Rage 128 16MB in the Power Mac. The game was unbearably slow on the iMac, even at 640x480, but played a little better at 640x480 on the Power Mac. When it comes to earlier games with Glide support, a Voodoo would be a godsend over having to use RAVE or OpenGL.

With regards to CPU performance, I tried running Tomb Raider 3 in software mode on a Mac Mini G4 1.25GHz and it was a horrible experience.

Reply 6614 of 27640, by jamesfx2

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I bought a cheap and shitty mSATA drive and mSATA to PATA IDE 44 pin converter. I'm gonna try sticking it in my retro machine for personal amusement and to see how it changes things. When I'm bored of it, at least it can go in my Thinkpad as a Ubuntu install.

Reply 6615 of 27640, by NamelessPlayer

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PTherapist wrote:
The motherboard is a Gigabyte GA-5SMM. I do own 2 Socket 7 era PC Chips motherboards though and know all too well how poor they […]
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The motherboard is a Gigabyte GA-5SMM. I do own 2 Socket 7 era PC Chips motherboards though and know all too well how poor they can be, particularly fake cache issues etc.

I used the Voodoo3 previously on a Beige Power Macintosh G3 Desktop. It was certainly an improvement over the onboard ATI 3D Rage Pro 2MB. I later replaced it with an ATI Rage 128 16MB PCI card though. The Voodoo3 is probably the better card of the 2, but the Rage 128 allowed me to play around with Mac OS X where the Voodoo3 is not supported at all.

Game performance is definitely skewed towards a decent GPU first. As an example, I ran "Tomb Raider - The Last Revelation" on both my Power Macintosh G3 and an iMac G3 Rev. D. The iMac CPU was 33MHz faster than the Power Mac, but had terrible onboard ATI Rage Pro 6MB graphics vs the Rage 128 16MB in the Power Mac. The game was unbearably slow on the iMac, even at 640x480, but played a little better at 640x480 on the Power Mac. When it comes to earlier games with Glide support, a Voodoo would be a godsend over having to use RAVE or OpenGL.

With regards to CPU performance, I tried running Tomb Raider 3 in software mode on a Mac Mini G4 1.25GHz and it was a horrible experience.

That Gigabyte mobo actually looks sensibly laid out, in part because it's not trying to cater to both AT and ATX specs (which is partly why my father must've picked out a cheap mobo for a cheap AT case and PSU back then). No CPU socket interference with long expansion cards, either. But of course, there's still the whole "deceptive AGP" thing that comes with the SiS 530 hogging the interface all to itself instead of a dedicated AGP card that deserves such a bus.

I don't have a Beige G3, admittedly; that would probably fill a gap between my 6500 and my indigo iMac G3 350 (Rage 128 Pro 8 MB), neither of which can run Driver worth a crap, but that game has unusual framerate dips even on my dual 1.42 GHz MDD FW800. (Yes, running OS 9 thanks to the Mac OS 9 Lives image.)

UT'99 just isn't an option on the 6500 (96 MB out of a possible 128 MB of RAM isn't helping matters one bit), and this one Descent II source port bogs down badly on the 6500 due to its use of SoundSprockets for A3D/EAX-esque reverb effects; neither have been tested on the iMac yet, but the MDD handles UT like a champ.

The 6500 was even bundled with RAVE-accelerated ports of Descent II and MechWarrior 2, though neither perform as well as I would have wanted, with very noticeable framerate drops. The Voodoo2 did help, but I just don't feel like the 603ev is up to the task when I remember how much better MW2 ran on a Pismo PowerBook G3 (which was basically a better version of the iMac I have).

Where the 6500 shines, funnily enough, is with games that were made with 680x0 or PowerPC 601 systems in mind, stuff like Flying Nightmares, A-10 Attack!/Cuba!, Absolute Zero, the Marathon trilogy... all of which share a common thread: software rendering. Anything that utilized 3D acceleration in any significant capacity had too many frame drops to deal with, enough that I just took the V2 out of it to free up a precious PCI slot for something else.

So why would I want a faster 3dfx PCI card in a Mac, anyway? Well, I wanted to try something crazy with the MDD: AGP for Core Image in OS X, PCI for OS 9 acceleration, since there's no one AGP card that can support both. I'd have tested this theory already using a PCI Radeon 9250 with the usual resistor and flash mods and an AGP GeForce 6600, but I have a major setback on flashing that 6600 in that I'd have to replace the ROM with a larger one (in some pretty tight confines, no less) - larger ones that are all out of stock, particularly with the SO-8 packaging generally used on these cards. I checked on Mouser, everything listed on The Mac Elite is out of production now!

And yeah, a Radeon 9200/9250 would be a hell of a lot faster than even the rare Voodoo5 5500 Mac Edition, but I figure that there may be cases where Glide looks noticeably better than RAVE, or perhaps RAVE won't even be an option at all, just Glide or software. I know of no Mac games where this is the case, though; the ones I've found that supported Glide also support RAVE.

Reply 6616 of 27640, by brostenen

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Recieved the A600 board in the mail today, and after installation, my A600 is yet again working.
The board was extremely well packed, and it looked really promising when I unpacked it.
I took a shitload of pictures in the process, for a future article, blog-post or something like that.
Tested the Amiga with the new board, and are happy with the result.

Uhhh... Link to the pictures.
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0Bzzas … Zmc?usp=sharing

Don't eat stuff off a 15 year old never cleaned cpu cooler.
Those cakes make you sick....

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Reply 6617 of 27640, by amadeus777999

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Got the LS486e board running at 60 mhz - the 32MB stick I once used in it seems to be of higher quality than the one recently obtained. All ram settings are max. besides one option(RAS/MA). Cache has been set to write through and each waitstate was increased by 1(3-2-3). I'm pretty stoked about getting the 50ns ram in a few days, although I do have some thorough testing to undermine my optimistic outlook.

DoomII/demo1, the most strenuous of all the original ones(viewsize max), clocks in at 38.6 fps.
DoomS/demo3, viewsize set to "complang standards", 57.45 fps.

Ok, for a 120mhz chip.

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Reply 6618 of 27640, by brostenen

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amadeus777999 wrote:

Got the LS486e board running at 60 mhz

Congrats... 😀

Don't eat stuff off a 15 year old never cleaned cpu cooler.
Those cakes make you sick....

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Reply 6619 of 27640, by amadeus777999

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brostenen wrote:
amadeus777999 wrote:

Got the LS486e board running at 60 mhz

Congrats... 😀

Thanks, I'm pretty over-joyed that it worked. Windows98+SiSoft and Quake are running flawlessly. Got greedy and installed an Am5x86 ADZ... booted with 180, but no cigar.
"rad"'s thread on here helped me alot - he explicitly stated the jumper settings needed.