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rgart wrote:

I have never ever been able to get a cd-rom drive working along side a Tekram DC680C IO Cache card. […]
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I have never ever been able to get a cd-rom drive working along side a Tekram DC680C IO Cache card.

Now I know the IO Card does not support cdrom. So I thought I could do it using a second controller card or sound card IDE interface but it has failed yet again......

What a pain in the ass Tekram is.

But what a bloody amazingly fast card it is.

I'll go multiple hard drives and the network card route I think.

damned.
I need to go back to the SCSI road or find a DC680-CD

seriously ... 😵

can you set CT IDE irq and port with CTCU?

JaNoZ wrote:

can you set CT IDE irq and port with CTCU?

I'm not sure I understand your question.
I did try both IRQ 10 and 11 on the sound blaster, through jumpers.
I only tried it as "tertiary" IDE device.
I also tried to put the tekram as secondary controler, and also changing its port.

Nothing worked. With the tekram as secondary, it's even worse, since even my HDD doesn't work anymore.

Are you sure that Port is IDE Compatible?

I've got a SB16 with 40 Pin Connector (like IDE) and a 2x Speed Drive.

That Drive only works connected to the Soundcard.
Connectet this Drive to the IDE Port, PC just Shows Black Screen when turned on.

Few Years later i tried to Connect a IDE 32x Drive to the Soundcard when i ja building a new Retro PC. But get no Luck.

All i can remember is that you need a Special Driver for operating CDrom on Soundcard.
Maybe it was on the Driver Disk that came with the Soundcard.

I think that IDE port isnt like a IDE port on a latest pentium 1 class motherboard with auto-detection.
I guess you still need to use some drivers to active the cd-rom drive. And or you also need to twist your IDE cable as well..

I had a same problem with a panasonic drive.. I had to twist the cable on the soundcard to let it work.. So pin 1 of the cable wasnt on the pin1 from the card.. Maybe they would use the same technique on that IDE port too..
But there where also drivers to activate your cd-rom drive.. I didnt mess it a lot, but when time is there i will try if i can let work an IDE drive as well..

From what I understand, the boards are very specific about what CD-ROMs they support, which is why there were so many variations simply to change out the controller chip for different manufacturers.

My card is a CT3900.
It has a panasonic and a IDE port.
That IDE port is not ATAPI compliant ?

As anyone ever gotten a working CDROM from a 95 boot disk if that ATAI CDROM is plugged to a IDE port of a sound blaster ?

I used a SB16 with its ide and a CDrom drive, but the drive was only a 6x drive and i always used vide-cdd.sys probably the oak cd driver should find it as well.
Don't you have any older drives to test on it, like 8x or 6 or 4x?

Yes I have the 6x in my gateway, plugged on the motherboard.
I'll try. But I did not manage to make the error message disappear 🙁

the CT3900 has an IDE port and is NOT a PnP card, therefore no CTCU involved.... jumpers must be properly set or the hardware doesn't initalize properly or conflicts will result
you need to manually boot with the drivers first before you initiate Windows setup.... Windows will NOT automatically detect and load the drivers when you start the installer... you're expecting something that's 6 years before its time

use the proper drivers that are for the card, included in the "ultimate CD" ISO I posted on vogondrivers.net... should work fine... I have the same card and never had issues running a CD drive off it

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When I wrote windows boot disk, I supposed people would read "floppy" disk, my bad 😁
I thought the windows 95/98 floppy disks where able to install a compatible driver for a SB IDE sound card.
If they are supposed to, then I do have a problem, either with my tekram conflicting, or with my CDROM being to modern for SBIDE.

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PeterLI wrote:

I usually stay < 12X speed with CR-ROMs on SB16s. 🤣

Confirmed working good on 36x and 52x CD-Roms, as well as an MSI CD-RW from 2004!

PeterLI wrote:

Bootable CD-ROMs came with BIOS' with plug & play OS'. The SB IDE controllers precede this. That is like using a SB with IDE to run the HDDs: that will not work either. The SB IDE is not integrated with the BIOS.

Oh. I suppose this makes a whole lot of sense. 🙄

i found this, maybe this could be usefull to.

To access your CDROM in DOS, you must download an IDE CDROM driver. Bochs emulates a very generic CDROM drive, and several drivers are known to work. Others don't. This section describes how to set up your config.sys and autoexec.bat to enable the CDROM.

The drivers that have been reported to work are OAKCDROM.SYS that comes with several versions of Windows and SBIDE.SYS version 1.21 from Creative Labs[1] and OAKCDROM.SYS that comes with several versions of Windows. Copy the driver to your boot disk, and then set up the startup files as follows.

config.sys:
device=himem.sys
device=oakcdrom.sys /D:CD001
-or-
device=sbide.sys /D:CD001 /P:1f0,14,3f6

autoexec.bat:
mscdex.exe /M:10 /D:CD001

And found this url:

http://www.webpro.co.za/tutor/cd-setup.htm

What's the problem ?
Maybe you're formatting a new drive, or maybe setting up a machine from scratch. Your Windows 95 is on CD but the drive has been formatted under DOS and it won't recognise the CD-ROM drive so you can't slap in the Win-95 CD to load the operating system. How do you get past this one ?

The other common requirement for help in this area is where you are setting up a CD-ROM drive to run under DOS Mode for DOS based CD-ROM game use. In this instance you need to put CD-ROM initialisation statements into the temporary auotexec.bat and config.sys files that the special shortcut will use. The same principles apply that are described below.
Note: CD-ROM DOS based games often required a mouse driver as well.! There's a reasonable generic mouse driver (mouse.com) that you can download here. Simply call it from the autoexec.bat with C:\ {directory-name} \MOUSE.COM and it should load.
What do you need ?
1. A MS-DOS 6,22 boot diskette with the MSCDEX.EXE file for DOS 6,22 download here
or
1. A Windows 95 boot diskette with the MSCDEX.EXE file for Win-95 download here
or
1. A Windows 95 CD-ROM setup diskette. (In this case you wouldn't need any of the rest of this info 'cos this disk does a pretty good job of automatically bringing your CD-ROM drive up. But maybe it will fail anyway......)

2. The SBIDE.SYS file that comes with the Sound Blaster kits. If you don't have this file then download here.

3. You need to know whether the CD-ROM drive has been connected to the Primary IDE interface on the motherboard or to the Secondary IDE interface. Most modern motherboards allow you to attach two IDE ribbon cables, but if you don't know which is which (and don't fancy opening the box to see) then you may have to try different configurations in the CONFIG.SYS file. (See below.)
What do I do ?
1. Copy the MSCDEX.EXE file to c:\

2. Copy the SBIDE.SYS file to c:\

3. Create an AUTOEXEC.BAT file with the following single line...

MSCDEX.EXE D:CD V

4. Create a CONFIG.SYS file with the following single line...

If connected to Primary IDE
DEVICE=SBIDE.SYS D:CD P:1FO,14

If connected to Secondary IDE
DEVICE=SBIDE.SYS D:CD P:170,15

If connected to Tertiary (primary) on Sound Card
DEVICE=SBIDE.SYS D:CD P:1E8,11

If connected to Secondary on Sound Card
DEVICE=SBIDE.SYS D:CD P:168,10

Reboot the PC and the CD-ROM drive should now be operational.......!
You may have to try more than one of these settings to get it right.

my super SB16 drivers ISO posted on vogons drivers includes SBIDE.SYS in both standalone format or with a installer... I don't remember if it will detect or allow selection of the tertiary/quaternary controllers that's typical of a sound card though... I hardly messed with the sound card IDE controllers when I was able to use the motherboard's during the pentium days

hey there guys im trying to do this right now on my 386.. with an AWE32 (well, SB32) CT3600, with CDrom connected to the AWE32's ide/atapi port

the ide port simply says "IDE INTERFACE"
im trying to connect it to a 48-24-48 CD-RW drive
is this going to be compatible?

whats the process for installing the CDROM so that everytime i boot i can access cd roms on D: or E: drive?

i downloaded some installation disks from the vogons drivers library, but when i try to run the install.exe
it comes up with a message saying theres not enough rAM!

i have 8mb of ram installed, its a 386DX40 cpu
ive actually been trying to crack this nut forawhile and everytime i fail and forget about the 386 and work on something else 🤣

where do i get SBIDE.SYS from?
the bios on the board is AMIBIOS from 1992, theres only settings for two hard disks in the bios, and 2 floppy drives, the bios makes ZERO MENTION of anything to do with CDROM or ATAPI

forgive me if the answer is already displayed in the thread.. im a bit scatterbrained at the moment having some kind of allergic reaction making me irritable + itchy all over (driving me nuts!)
if a kind soul could just lead this horse to water i will gladly drink! 😀

Here it is http://files.mpoli.fi/unpacked/hardware/sound … labs/cddrv.zip/
Put following line in config.sys:
DEVICE=path\sbide.sys /D:MSCD000 /P:primary,irq,secondary
and, in autoexec.bat
mscdex.exe /M:10 /D:MSCD000