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Reply 4340 of 4614, by dormcat

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ediflorianUS wrote on 2023-08-18, 17:58:

Are fax phones worth anything?do anyone collect them? Any inside parts worth pulling?

If you have a Japanese entity to contact with very often, then yes.

Reply 4341 of 4614, by ediflorianUS

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Well, I just finished sorting trough it(scavangeing) at the comp.
Was not quite what I expected, the one pc , the net..switch...
Fridges(don't care) ,crt tv's(I didn't bother with), vacuum cleaner?a few printers that I don't know if worth fixing/takeing...
Fax- left it there , analog phone, lan phone mid 00(should I bother?)
And then the crap... household dmg inv, and I took all the siemens conectors& plc's,did not take much space,
I found under one big lcd tv(prob.brokenq) a drawer full of bat, and the missing hdd(that I forgot there) from the pc.
Picked up a few docking hp,stations, dell/screen stand,a unknown lcd,
2x pos touchscreens(?), a box full of phone stands&crap/d.cables/ends/leds
One additional ps2 kb that had cable, 3x mouse,( there were there close to 50 kb, mostly hp+dell w/o cable.)(darn)
I also seen a radio mini, took that and a jvc boombox from late 90s00s w cd+cas(not sure it's worth taking/testing/fixing)
A few screens/monitors I need to check tomorrow(if they are intact or not)
I will take back anything big that's not working.
"What you all think¿ sutestions?"

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Reply 4342 of 4614, by Nexxen

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ediflorianUS wrote on 2023-08-19, 19:29:
Well, I just finished sorting trough it(scavangeing) at the comp. Was not quite what I expected, the one pc , the net..switch... […]
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Well, I just finished sorting trough it(scavangeing) at the comp.
Was not quite what I expected, the one pc , the net..switch...
Fridges(don't care) ,crt tv's(I didn't bother with), vacuum cleaner?a few printers that I don't know if worth fixing/takeing...
Fax- left it there , analog phone, lan phone mid 00(should I bother?)
And then the crap... household dmg inv, and I took all the siemens conectors& plc's,did not take much space,
I found under one big lcd tv(prob.brokenq) a drawer full of bat, and the missing hdd(that I forgot there) from the pc.
Picked up a few docking hp,stations, dell/screen stand,a unknown lcd,
2x pos touchscreens(?), a box full of phone stands&crap/d.cables/ends/leds
One additional ps2 kb that had cable, 3x mouse,( there were there close to 50 kb, mostly hp+dell w/o cable.)(darn)
I also seen a radio mini, took that and a jvc boombox from late 90s00s w cd+cas(not sure it's worth taking/testing/fixing)
A few screens/monitors I need to check tomorrow(if they are intact or not)
I will take back anything big that's not working.
"What you all think¿ sutestions?"

3/4 of this stuff I wouldn't know what to do with it.

Fax machines are still in use in Italy. Some administrations and telecom often, illegally, claim you have to send stuff via fax only or registered mail.
Bureaucracy...

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PC#2 PIII-1Ghz - 98SE/W2K

Reply 4343 of 4614, by Ensign Nemo

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Nexxen wrote on 2023-08-20, 08:33:
3/4 of this stuff I wouldn't know what to do with it. […]
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ediflorianUS wrote on 2023-08-19, 19:29:
Well, I just finished sorting trough it(scavangeing) at the comp. Was not quite what I expected, the one pc , the net..switch... […]
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Well, I just finished sorting trough it(scavangeing) at the comp.
Was not quite what I expected, the one pc , the net..switch...
Fridges(don't care) ,crt tv's(I didn't bother with), vacuum cleaner?a few printers that I don't know if worth fixing/takeing...
Fax- left it there , analog phone, lan phone mid 00(should I bother?)
And then the crap... household dmg inv, and I took all the siemens conectors& plc's,did not take much space,
I found under one big lcd tv(prob.brokenq) a drawer full of bat, and the missing hdd(that I forgot there) from the pc.
Picked up a few docking hp,stations, dell/screen stand,a unknown lcd,
2x pos touchscreens(?), a box full of phone stands&crap/d.cables/ends/leds
One additional ps2 kb that had cable, 3x mouse,( there were there close to 50 kb, mostly hp+dell w/o cable.)(darn)
I also seen a radio mini, took that and a jvc boombox from late 90s00s w cd+cas(not sure it's worth taking/testing/fixing)
A few screens/monitors I need to check tomorrow(if they are intact or not)
I will take back anything big that's not working.
"What you all think¿ sutestions?"

3/4 of this stuff I wouldn't know what to do with it.

Fax machines are still in use in Italy. Some administrations and telecom often, illegally, claim you have to send stuff via fax only or registered mail.
Bureaucracy...

Fax machines seem to be used frequently in medicine, at least in Canada. Every pharmacy that I've used communicated with my doctors through fax to fill prescriptions or to request refills. I still hear doctors or nurses talk about faxing documents to other departments for stuff like requests for tests. I assume that they are using actual fax machines, but it wouldn't surprise me if they updated their technology and just say fax out of habit. It seems like hospitals like to stick with old tech long after everyone else has moved on. It wasn't that long ago that I heard my doctors and nurses talk about using pagers.

Reply 4344 of 4614, by H3nrik V!

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Ensign Nemo wrote on 2023-08-20, 09:14:

Fax machines seem to be used frequently in medicine, at least in Canada. Every pharmacy that I've used communicated with my doctors through fax to fill prescriptions or to request refills. I still hear doctors or nurses talk about faxing documents to other departments for stuff like requests for tests. I assume that they are using actual fax machines, but it wouldn't surprise me if they updated their technology and just say fax out of habit. It seems like hospitals like to stick with old tech long after everyone else has moved on. It wasn't that long ago that I heard my doctors and nurses talk about using pagers.

Just like in aeronautics, proven, stable technology always win over new features ...

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Reply 4345 of 4614, by ediflorianUS

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Best find was probably 1 good lcd monitor panel, 2 stands for lcd, and loads of cables,charger-station display doc(x5 banks), hp doc, hp charger,and the pc I did not get around testing... maybe the plc siemens sirius stuff also good who knows.... was 2 hot to go back today. Maybe tomorrow...

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Reply 4346 of 4614, by Repo Man11

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Ensign Nemo wrote on 2023-08-20, 09:14:
Nexxen wrote on 2023-08-20, 08:33:
3/4 of this stuff I wouldn't know what to do with it. […]
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ediflorianUS wrote on 2023-08-19, 19:29:
Well, I just finished sorting trough it(scavangeing) at the comp. Was not quite what I expected, the one pc , the net..switch... […]
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Well, I just finished sorting trough it(scavangeing) at the comp.
Was not quite what I expected, the one pc , the net..switch...
Fridges(don't care) ,crt tv's(I didn't bother with), vacuum cleaner?a few printers that I don't know if worth fixing/takeing...
Fax- left it there , analog phone, lan phone mid 00(should I bother?)
And then the crap... household dmg inv, and I took all the siemens conectors& plc's,did not take much space,
I found under one big lcd tv(prob.brokenq) a drawer full of bat, and the missing hdd(that I forgot there) from the pc.
Picked up a few docking hp,stations, dell/screen stand,a unknown lcd,
2x pos touchscreens(?), a box full of phone stands&crap/d.cables/ends/leds
One additional ps2 kb that had cable, 3x mouse,( there were there close to 50 kb, mostly hp+dell w/o cable.)(darn)
I also seen a radio mini, took that and a jvc boombox from late 90s00s w cd+cas(not sure it's worth taking/testing/fixing)
A few screens/monitors I need to check tomorrow(if they are intact or not)
I will take back anything big that's not working.
"What you all think¿ sutestions?"

3/4 of this stuff I wouldn't know what to do with it.

Fax machines are still in use in Italy. Some administrations and telecom often, illegally, claim you have to send stuff via fax only or registered mail.
Bureaucracy...

Fax machines seem to be used frequently in medicine, at least in Canada. Every pharmacy that I've used communicated with my doctors through fax to fill prescriptions or to request refills. I still hear doctors or nurses talk about faxing documents to other departments for stuff like requests for tests. I assume that they are using actual fax machines, but it wouldn't surprise me if they updated their technology and just say fax out of habit. It seems like hospitals like to stick with old tech long after everyone else has moved on. It wasn't that long ago that I heard my doctors and nurses talk about using pagers.

Here in the US, law offices and all things medical still use fax machines extensively, though these days it's almost exclusively the fax function on the office copy machine. I ran into an issue a couple of years ago when a law office's new Ricoh would error out when they attempted to send a very large document using the scan and fax function - it turned out that the fax function had been slightly deprecated on the new machine, and for them to be able to use the new machine's fax the way they had the one on their older machine it needed an optional fax memory upgrade.

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Reply 4347 of 4614, by gerry

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i think with fax machines and other old tech it is sometimes a mix of "if it isn't broken don't fix it" and also that short term expense of maintenance is cheaper than replacement cost and perhaps also that it is sometimes the simplest to operate, especially where the skills to use it are firmly embedded in the organisation

the history of 'office tech' is interesting anyway, a kind of slow migration from specialist tools towards general tools (computers!)

Reply 4348 of 4614, by ediflorianUS

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Well little update , had some time to dig-in to the PC recovered ,(and blow dust off it with compressor) it's a :
Pac-Man case ,
400W Delux PSU (probably broken)
Sk478 CPU Intel , maybe P4 Prescott?
Mb - Motherboard is a Asrock P4V88+ - so it should be a fine retropc when I recap-it.
GPU AGP, ATi something ,MS.... Black PCB with fan.
512 DDR 400mhz ram
LG DVD-RW....
Floppy , also have a second salvage floppy white.

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Reply 4349 of 4614, by PD2JK

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Finally I get to post here.

Let's start with some Lite-On drives and a Mitsumi 4x speed burner.

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Then, a P3 500 / Medion 9901 board (deceased caps) with integrated TNT2 and some other stuff, like a handy USB to LAN device

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And last but not least, this lovely Escom Pentium 60 machine. The HSF snapped off, but that's an easy to fix. The Intel Batman's Revenge is equipped with 16MB FPM, Pioneer CD-ROM drive, 1MB Mach64 and an Iomega Ditto 800 drive, connected to a Ditto Dash ISA card.

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Reply 4350 of 4614, by arnovdheiden

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PD2JK wrote on 2023-08-27, 20:48:
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Finally I get to post here.

Let's start with some Lite-On drives and a Mitsumi 4x speed burner.
DSC_5944.JPG

Then, a P3 500 / Medion 9901 board (deceased caps) with integrated TNT2 and some other stuff, like a handy USB to LAN deviceDSC_5942.JPG

And last but not least, this lovely Escom Pentium 60 machine. The HSF snapped off, but that's an easy to fix. The Intel Batman's Revenge is equipped with 16MB FPM, Pioneer CD-ROM drive, 1MB Mach64 and an Iomega Ditto 800 drive, connected to a Ditto Dash ISA card.

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Great escom! Socket 4 is quite rare these days. Does the board have the 5,27 volt jumper for the p66?

Reply 4351 of 4614, by kaputnik

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Found a couple of really nice IDE HDD caddies. The build quality seems great. Unfortunately the keys are missing, but can live without them.

Inside there were 60GB 2.5" Hitachi Travelstars, 44 to 40 pin IDE adapters, and 3.5" to 2.5" mounting brackets as well. Nice little bonus 😀

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Reply 4352 of 4614, by PD2JK

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arnovdheiden wrote on 2023-08-30, 17:54:
PD2JK wrote on 2023-08-27, 20:48:
Finally I get to post here. […]
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Finally I get to post here.

Let's start with some Lite-On drives and a Mitsumi 4x speed burner.
DSC_5944.JPG

Then, a P3 500 / Medion 9901 board (deceased caps) with integrated TNT2 and some other stuff, like a handy USB to LAN deviceDSC_5942.JPG

And last but not least, this lovely Escom Pentium 60 machine. The HSF snapped off, but that's an easy to fix. The Intel Batman's Revenge is equipped with 16MB FPM, Pioneer CD-ROM drive, 1MB Mach64 and an Iomega Ditto 800 drive, connected to a Ditto Dash ISA card.

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Great escom! Socket 4 is quite rare these days. Does the board have the 5,27 volt jumper for the p66?

Hmm it has a lot of jumpers at the top middle, lemme check tomorrow. The Dallas is quite dead after 30 years.

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Reply 4353 of 4614, by CrFr

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Dumpster diving today rewarded me with a Panasonic floppy drive. Not a spectacular find, but it is nice to have selection of different shade beige drives to match cases.

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Reply 4354 of 4614, by BitWrangler

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kaputnik wrote on 2023-08-31, 14:57:

Found a couple of really nice IDE HDD caddies. The build quality seems great. Unfortunately the keys are missing, but can live without them.

Inside there were 60GB 2.5" Hitachi Travelstars, 44 to 40 pin IDE adapters, and 3.5" to 2.5" mounting brackets as well. Nice little bonus 😀

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Sometimes the keylocks were hooked up to one of the power lines or active ready lines or something, so you may need to fudge that.

Unicorn herding operations are proceeding, but all the totes of hens teeth and barrels of rocking horse poop give them plenty of hiding spots.

Reply 4355 of 4614, by H3nrik V!

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Gutted out a couple of cases from the shed, systems I have saved from trash earlier on.

One contained an Intel 815 mATX board with a 933 CuMine, the other one an Intel BX board, with a 400MHz PII in SECC and some Yamaha sound chip. Is this as cool as I suspect it is?

Edit: It's an Intel SE440BX-2

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Reply 4356 of 4614, by paradigital

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Got given another Shuttle XPC to add to the collection. This one is an SD30G2 with an E4500 C2D and 4GB of Corsair PC2-6400.

It also had a Quadro FX 3500 in it, but it appears dead unfortunately, no image when trying it but onboard video works fine, as does a GT730 I threw in for testing (unusable long-term as it's a dual-slot cooler and only single-slot fit).

I know some round here don't rate the Shuttle XPCs as they have had bad luck with PSUs, but in my experience, so long as you don't push them hard they last just fine.

Reply 4357 of 4614, by Kahenraz

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H3nrik V! wrote on 2023-09-01, 18:34:

Gutted out a couple of cases from the shed, systems I have saved from trash earlier on.

One contained an Intel 815 mATX board with a 933 CuMine, the other one an Intel BX board, with a 400MHz PII in SECC and some Yamaha sound chip. Is this as cool as I suspect it is?

Edit: It's an Intel SE440BX-2

I have a few of these boards. The Intel BIOS is terrible and it has some kind of problem with allocating system resources. Overloading it with too many expansion cards that are demanding too many things may cause random boot failures. It also has serious stability problems when paired with NEC USB 2.0 PCI cards.

The onboard IDE controller is also fussy. I don't recall the exact issue, but I had trouble getting hard drives to detect and CD-ROMs to boot.

All of this if confirmed with the latest BIOS across multiple boards. A great disappointment for an otherwise nice motherboard. It's too bad it doesn't have something like an AWARD BIOS instead.

Reply 4358 of 4614, by kaputnik

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BitWrangler wrote on 2023-09-01, 14:39:
kaputnik wrote on 2023-08-31, 14:57:

Found a couple of really nice IDE HDD caddies. The build quality seems great. Unfortunately the keys are missing, but can live without them.

Inside there were 60GB 2.5" Hitachi Travelstars, 44 to 40 pin IDE adapters, and 3.5" to 2.5" mounting brackets as well. Nice little bonus 😀

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Sometimes the keylocks were hooked up to one of the power lines or active ready lines or something, so you may need to fudge that.

Hm, yes, you're absolutely right, it is a keylock switch. It pulls something low, couldn't find out exactly what with a quick test though. Will have to investigate further at some point.

The lock is using those tubular keys. Usually it's easy enough to modify another key to work as long as you find a donor with the same diameter, it's a quick job with an end mill. The keying is clearly visible without disassembling the lock. Done it a couple of times with code locks where the key needed to release the keypad to set the code has been gone 😀

Reply 4359 of 4614, by H3nrik V!

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Kahenraz wrote on 2023-09-01, 22:57:
I have a few of these boards. The Intel BIOS is terrible and it has some kind of problem with allocating system resources. Overl […]
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H3nrik V! wrote on 2023-09-01, 18:34:

Gutted out a couple of cases from the shed, systems I have saved from trash earlier on.

One contained an Intel 815 mATX board with a 933 CuMine, the other one an Intel BX board, with a 400MHz PII in SECC and some Yamaha sound chip. Is this as cool as I suspect it is?

Edit: It's an Intel SE440BX-2

I have a few of these boards. The Intel BIOS is terrible and it has some kind of problem with allocating system resources. Overloading it with too many expansion cards that are demanding too many things may cause random boot failures. It also has serious stability problems when paired with NEC USB 2.0 PCI cards.

The onboard IDE controller is also fussy. I don't recall the exact issue, but I had trouble getting hard drives to detect and CD-ROMs to boot.

All of this if confirmed with the latest BIOS across multiple boards. A great disappointment for an otherwise nice motherboard. It's too bad it doesn't have something like an AWARD BIOS instead.

Interesting, I was under the impression that Intel boards were rock stable albeit at the cost of bleeding edge performance and enthusiast's features.

Please use the "quote" option if asking questions to what I write - it will really up the chances of me noticing 😀