Timecop1983 wrote:

Voodoo 3 is not backward compatible?

It usually is. A few games are quirky

Timecop1983 wrote:

Voodoo 3 is not backward compatible?

Not always. See these two threads:

Voodoo 2 DOS Glide compatibility matrix
Early glide games on V3

I've never had any luck getting Archimedean Dynasty, EF2000, and MechWarrior II 3DFX to run on my V2-SLI machines. However, I've got a very nice PC with a V1 so I haven't tried very hard to do it either.

This is the chart by vetz that I linked above:

I wasn't aware of those issues. Still V3 + V1 combo is little bit quirky for me.

Currently I am getting more and more Games to work on my V3+V1 combo 😀, so I recommend this setup for an pre Y2k-machine.

Any idea what drivers I need in order to write CD's with the DVD-Rom installed in the system?
I tested a lot of CD-WriterSoftware (Nero, WinOnCD, ...) but no one has drivers for my DVD-Rom.

Do I need to go for an old/other CD-Rom-Drive, o is there a generic drivers-suite ?

Thx
Doc

btw. I downgraded from DX9 (Win98SE) to DX6.1

Though there are some demosscene-demos and some games that do not run anymore, but therefore some older games do not have any issues.
e.g. JazzJackRabbit runs smooth with hardwarescrolling, no mini-stutters anymore. The gameplay-feeling is like playing on console. Great!

I am also collecting some freeware-stuff that runs fine on this machine. Turrican32k and Giana32k run fine. Commando32K has some issues
on the Winport, the Dosport running in Win98se is much better, but has no sound. There is a version between the dos and the win9x port
that has sound. I am currently searching for it.

I will also test an old "dosbox-version", but I think, the machine is not fast enough for this.

Perhaps I will retest a Celeron 433 (slot) or 533 Slot-Adapater, but mostly I prefer the PII.

Doc

Argh! So many nice old Cracktro's reworked for the PC, but not for my PII-333/Win9x/Voodoo3.
They were produced on 68K/7Mhz but the PC ports need so much more Power and newer OS/DX. (P4? WinXP?)

I hoped that they will work on my PII-333, but mostly they don't. Don't know what Middleware/Emulation
is used, but the stuff that works on my machine is far away from being smooth 🙁

Argh!

http://cyberpingui.free.fr/dl.php?id=582

http://cyberpingui.free.fr/realpcremakes.htm

KT7AGuy wrote:

Not always. See these two threads: […]
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Timecop1983 wrote:

Voodoo 3 is not backward compatible?

Not always. See these two threads:

Voodoo 2 DOS Glide compatibility matrix
Early glide games on V3

I've never had any luck getting Archimedean Dynasty, EF2000, and MechWarrior II 3DFX to run on my V2-SLI machines. However, I've got a very nice PC with a V1 so I haven't tried very hard to do it either.

This is the chart by vetz that I linked above:

I think some of that chart is wrong. On a Voodoo Rush or above, Blood E1M2 the game will crash with an error I forgot exactly what it said. But it will crash on a Rush or higher.

I currently use the Wicked-GL drivers for glquake097 and glquake113.
I am not sure which version is better for my voodoo3. glquake113 is brighter, perhaps I should use other tools for the gamma.

I use the autoexec.cfg to set the "r_wateralpha 0.4" value. But what about other Optimization?
Can I activate "anisotropic filtering in quake1 when I run the wicked-gl wrapper?

Thx
Doc

Someone wanted me to do some testings. Here are the results:

May you, please, measure results in DOSBox by Speed Test on your PII 333 (on its original clock) ? I'm trying to understand how […]
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May you, please, measure results in DOSBox by Speed Test on your PII 333 (on its original clock) ? I'm trying to understand how fast the emulation may be on different CPUs.

The procedure is such:
1) Speed Test in real DOS (in win9x should say same results)
2) Speed Test inside DOSBox with its settings:
2.1) core=dynamic, scaler=none, cputype=486_slow, cycles=max; other are default
2.2) core=normal, scaler=none, cputype=486_slow, cycles=max; other are default

During the measure DOSBox window should stay active all the time, or changing window focus may reduce resources the emulator gets.

1.) Medium-Mode 1.978.261 parrots / 733.5 XT (Dos-Window under Win98se)
2.1) Medium-Mode 43.128 parrots / 16.0 XT (Dosbox 0.74 => core=dynamic, scaler=none, cputype=486_slow, cycles=max; other are default)
2.2) Medium-Mode 9.855 parrots / 3.7 XT (Dosbox 0.74 => core=normal, scaler=none, cputype=486_slow, cycles=max; other are default)

Greetings
Doc

dr.zeissler wrote:

Someone wanted me to do some testings

Thank you from someone. 😀
Note: Speed Test is that benchmark.

INTERESTING SITE!
http://www.vintage3d.org/index.php

I'll do some Win9x Benchmarking. Frist I will check out if I should use dx61 or dx7 3dfx drivers. the dx-version under win98se will be dx8.

Doc

dr.zeissler wrote:

INTERESTING SITE! http://www.vintage3d.org/index.php […]
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INTERESTING SITE!
http://www.vintage3d.org/index.php

I'll do some Win9x Benchmarking. Frist I will check out if I should use dx61 or dx7 3dfx drivers. the dx-version under win98se will be dx8.

Doc

That's Putas' site, he posts here too sometimes. 😀

Cool 😀

Anyone who actual drives his Retro-PC with a PII and Voodoo3 here ?
What driver do you use? DX6/6.1/7 and what DX-Version?

I am not sure, but I think the DX6 driver seems better to me,
but some games require a dx7-gfx-driver, but they are mostly the
high end ones that are limited by my choice of a PII instead of a PIII.

any idea why the dx6 driver has a newer date then the dx6.1 ?
http://www.falconfly.de/voodoo3.htm

18 Mar 1999 3dfx Voodoo3 V1.00.00 4556k ZIP Glide/Direct3D only, DirectX6 Driver 22 Apr 1999 3dfx Voodoo3 V1.00.00 1418k ZI […]
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18 Mar 1999 3dfx Voodoo3 V1.00.00 4556k ZIP Glide/Direct3D only, DirectX6 Driver
22 Apr 1999 3dfx Voodoo3 V1.00.00 1418k ZIP Glide Update, NO 3dfx Tools
01 May 1999 3dfx Voodoo3 V1.01.00 5416k ZIP DirectX6.1 Driver
12 May 1999 3dfx Voodoo3 V1.01.02 5411k ZIP DirectX6.1 Driver
20 Jul 1999 3dfx Voodoo3 V1.02.11 5226k ZIP DirectX6 Driver
01 Sep 1999 3dfx Voodoo3 V1.02.18 5295k ZIP DirectX6 Driver
21 Oct 1999 3dfx Voodoo3 V1.03.00 5319k ZIP DirectX6 Driver
28 Oct 1999 3dfx Voodoo3 V1.03.00 5310k ZIP DirectX7 Driver This Driver has a special Ability
11 Nov 1999 3dfx Voodoo3 V1.03.04 5378k ZIP WHQL Certified
15 Dec 1999 3dfx Voodoo3 V1.03.05 5380k ZIP WHQL Certified
26 Jan 2000 3dfx Voodoo3 V1.04.00 6924k ZIP WHQL Certified
11 Feb 2000 3dfx Voodoo3 V1.04.01b 7434k ZIP Beta Release
01 Mar 2000 3dfx Voodoo3 V1.04.04b 7454k ZIP Beta Release
27 Mar 2000 3dfx Voodoo3 V1.04.05b 7456k ZIP Beta Release
12 Apr 2000 3dfx Voodoo3 V1.04.06b 7441k ZIP Beta Release
19 Apr 2000 3dfx Voodoo3 V1.04.07b 6985k ZIP Beta Release
26 May 2000 3dfx Voodoo3 V1.04.09C 12297k ZIP Leaked internal Beta Release
08 Jun 2000 3dfx Voodoo3 V1.04.09J 12297k ZIP Leaked internal Beta Release
04 Jul 2000 3dfx Voodoo3 V1.05.00 10894k ZIP WHQL Certified
19 Jul 2000 3dfx Voodoo3 V1.05.01b 9387k ZIP Beta Release
18 Aug 2000 3dfx Voodoo3 V1.05.02b 9453k ZIP Beta Release
27 Oct 2000 3dfx Voodoo3 V1.06.00 8791k ZIP
22 Nov 2000 3dfx Voodoo3 V1.07.00 8880k ZIP Latest Final Version, WHQL Certified
31 Jan 2001 3dfx Voodoo3 V1.07.00b 2200k ZIP Beta, DirectX8 Driver, NO 3dfx Tools

22 Nov 2000 3dfx Voodoo3 V1.07.00 8880k ZIP Latest Final Version, WHQL Certified

works just fine for me, no need to use older driver imho, unless you want to run GTA III... 😀

The PII-333 makes it usable for Win9x Games from 95-99 mostly games from 2000 require more cpu power.
It seems to me, that the dx6/6.1 driver runs better in the used games, but this must be proven.

https://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=4485

Could someone please test, if the scrollers are stutterfree. On my machine they are OK, but not completly smooth.

Thx!

I did some additional testing and now I made a decision. I'll stick to DirectX 6.1a of Win98se
and the 3dfx-Reference-Drivers for it (6.1) that were on my 1999-3dfx-V3-DriverCD.

Though some Games and Demos do not work because they require DX7 and above,
but everything I have tested so far runs far better with DX-6.1/3DFX-V3-6.1.

Doc

What is needed in order to get the audio-tracks from a cd-image working with win98 ?
Currenty no Audio-CD is playing if I mount the CD-Image with Deamon-Tools.

What do I need to install in order to get Audio-CD Playback from a mounted image?

thx!

AFAIK it will only work if it uses digital audio playback (instead of just issuing the command and letting the drive itself send analog audio), and not all sound card drivers allow that.

The Basic install is the same. It works with that.
If I do a clean install with all the same drivers it does not work.
The game the image the deamon-tools, everything is the same.

there must be any software or drivers that provides audio-cd support,
but I did not found out, what software/driver does that?