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First post, by tayyare

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I have two completely different machines with the exact same problem:

1:
Intel Pentium III 1000 on Gigabyte GA-6VTXE with 512MB RAM
Nvidia Geforce2 MX400 with 3Dfx Voodoo 2 12MB in SLI
Sound Blaster AWE64 Gold CT4640 ISA with SIMMCONN and 32MB RAM
Adaptec AHA-29160N
3Com 3C905C-TX-M
Samsung SP1213N 120GB
Seagate Barracuda 7200.7 80GB
Compaq BD14688278 146GB
3.5" Mitsumi 1.44MB
3.5" Gotek USB Floppy Emulator

LG GSAH44N DVD-RW
3.5" CF to IDE Adapter

2:
Intel Pentium MMX 233 on Asus TXP4-X with 256MB RAM
3Dfx Voodoo 3 16 MB PCI
Sound Blaster 16 CT2230 with NEC XR895 Wavetable
Adaptec AHA-2940UW
3Com 3C900B Combo
Aztech MSP2950-W Modem
Seagate Barracuda 7200.7 80GB
Compaq BD07288277 73GB
Compaq BF03685A35 36GB
Iomega ZIP 250MB
3.5" NEC 1.44MB
5.25" Epson 1.2MB

Asus CRW-5232A4 CD-RW
3.5" CF to IDE Adapter

Both machines are configured as multiboot with MS-DOS 6.22/Windows 3.11, Windows 95 OSR 2.1, and Windows 98 SE partitions.
As you can see, both machines has two floppy drives, and when you boot any of the machines into MS-DOS or Windows 95, both floppy drives are there and working properly. When you boot into Windows 98, there is only dirve A: and no sign of any drive B:.

Anyone knows anything about it?

Last edited by tayyare on 2015-06-03, 08:46. Edited 1 time in total.

GA-6VTXE PIII 1.4+512MB
Geforce4 Ti 4200 64MB
Diamond Monster 3D 12MB SLI
SB AWE64 PNP+32MB
120GB IDE Samsung/80GB IDE Seagate/146GB SCSI Compaq/73GB SCSI IBM
Adaptec AHA29160
3com 3C905B-TX
Gotek+CF Reader
MSDOS 6.22+Win 3.11/95 OSR2.1/98SE/ME/2000

Reply 3 of 21, by tayyare

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bjt wrote:

Hmm... Win98SE with 3.5 and 5.25 here.

Tried the old Add New Hardware wizard? You can force add it if nothing else.

It's not only a situation of 3.5 / 5.25 combo, but there is also the other PC which has two 3.5 drives (yes, one is emulated).

I tried that. First of all, you are not able to choose a floppy drive for manually adding new hardware since it is not in the list of selectable hardware groups. And If you choose to allow it to detect the new hardware by itself, it does not find anything.

It feels like Windows 98 SE deliberately refusing any second floppy, especially thinking that both combinations detected and working correctly under DOS and Windows 95, without any additional effort.

GA-6VTXE PIII 1.4+512MB
Geforce4 Ti 4200 64MB
Diamond Monster 3D 12MB SLI
SB AWE64 PNP+32MB
120GB IDE Samsung/80GB IDE Seagate/146GB SCSI Compaq/73GB SCSI IBM
Adaptec AHA29160
3com 3C905B-TX
Gotek+CF Reader
MSDOS 6.22+Win 3.11/95 OSR2.1/98SE/ME/2000

Reply 5 of 21, by tayyare

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alexanrs wrote:

Does it work in Win98 DOS mode?

I'm not sure at the moment but I remember somehow the answer is no. I Will check again when I'm back home.

GA-6VTXE PIII 1.4+512MB
Geforce4 Ti 4200 64MB
Diamond Monster 3D 12MB SLI
SB AWE64 PNP+32MB
120GB IDE Samsung/80GB IDE Seagate/146GB SCSI Compaq/73GB SCSI IBM
Adaptec AHA29160
3com 3C905B-TX
Gotek+CF Reader
MSDOS 6.22+Win 3.11/95 OSR2.1/98SE/ME/2000

Reply 6 of 21, by tayyare

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Jorpho wrote:

TweakUI, maybe?
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/191579

There should be a means of accomplishing the same thing with registry edits.

Looks like a plan!.. 😀

I'll try that when I'm back at home.

GA-6VTXE PIII 1.4+512MB
Geforce4 Ti 4200 64MB
Diamond Monster 3D 12MB SLI
SB AWE64 PNP+32MB
120GB IDE Samsung/80GB IDE Seagate/146GB SCSI Compaq/73GB SCSI IBM
Adaptec AHA29160
3com 3C905B-TX
Gotek+CF Reader
MSDOS 6.22+Win 3.11/95 OSR2.1/98SE/ME/2000

Reply 7 of 21, by bjt

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If you can't access B: from a native DOS prompt, it implies that the BIOS machine configuration doesn't know about the second drive.
It is configured in the BIOS setup right 😀

Reply 8 of 21, by kixs

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I thought about that too, but as he states in the 1st post:

Both machines are configured as multiboot with MS-DOS 6.22/Windows 3.11, Windows 95 OSR 2.1, and Windows 98 SE partitions.
As you can see, both machines has two floppy drives, and when you boot any of the machines into MS-DOS or Windows 95, both floppy drives are there and working properly. When you boot into Windows 98, there is only dirve A: and no sign of any drive B:.

Only if he meant Win98 DOS Prompt and not DOS MODE.

Requests are also possible... /msg kixs

Reply 9 of 21, by tayyare

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I tried the TweakUI idea, does not change anything (drive letter B was not hidden).

Drive B: works when I "restart in MS-DOS mode", or booting in MS DOS by pressing F5. It does not work in MS-DOS prompt while Windows 98 is running.

GA-6VTXE PIII 1.4+512MB
Geforce4 Ti 4200 64MB
Diamond Monster 3D 12MB SLI
SB AWE64 PNP+32MB
120GB IDE Samsung/80GB IDE Seagate/146GB SCSI Compaq/73GB SCSI IBM
Adaptec AHA29160
3com 3C905B-TX
Gotek+CF Reader
MSDOS 6.22+Win 3.11/95 OSR2.1/98SE/ME/2000

Reply 10 of 21, by pewpewpew

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For sanity-check I pulled out my P5TX-Bpro. W98SE did not see the second floppy until I enabled it in BIOS. Then it simply ran new-hardware on the next boot, and no problems.

EDIT:
I set BIOS back to "none" for the second floppy. I could still access it with Smart Boot Manager, FreeDOS, W95 Startup, and W98 Startup. I could not access it with W95. (Original 95, before 95A.)

Reply 12 of 21, by tayyare

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pewpewpew wrote:

For sanity-check I pulled out my P5TX-Bpro. W98SE did not see the second floppy until I enabled it in BIOS. Then it simply ran new-hardware on the next boot, and no problems.

EDIT:
I set BIOS back to "none" for the second floppy. I could still access it with Smart Boot Manager, FreeDOS, W95 Startup, and W98 Startup. I could not access it with W95. (Original 95, before 95A.)

Second floppies in both machines are of course enabled and correctly set up in BIOS. Pure MS-DOS 6.22 boot can access them, and if not enabled in BIOS, this will not be possible.

GA-6VTXE PIII 1.4+512MB
Geforce4 Ti 4200 64MB
Diamond Monster 3D 12MB SLI
SB AWE64 PNP+32MB
120GB IDE Samsung/80GB IDE Seagate/146GB SCSI Compaq/73GB SCSI IBM
Adaptec AHA29160
3com 3C905B-TX
Gotek+CF Reader
MSDOS 6.22+Win 3.11/95 OSR2.1/98SE/ME/2000

Reply 13 of 21, by tayyare

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Joey_sw wrote:

how the floppy devices was listed in win98 hardware manager?

There is a 1st level entry called "Floppy Disk Controllers" and under this entry, there is "Standard Floppy Controller". The drives themselves are listed under another 1st level entry called "Disk Drives" as "Generic NEC Floppy Drive", together with other disks in the system (HDDs, USB disks, etc.) if I remember correctly.

GA-6VTXE PIII 1.4+512MB
Geforce4 Ti 4200 64MB
Diamond Monster 3D 12MB SLI
SB AWE64 PNP+32MB
120GB IDE Samsung/80GB IDE Seagate/146GB SCSI Compaq/73GB SCSI IBM
Adaptec AHA29160
3com 3C905B-TX
Gotek+CF Reader
MSDOS 6.22+Win 3.11/95 OSR2.1/98SE/ME/2000

Reply 15 of 21, by Joey_sw

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tayyare wrote:

There is a 1st level entry called "Floppy Disk Controllers" and under this entry, there is "Standard Floppy Controller". The drives themselves are listed under another 1st level entry called "Disk Drives" as "Generic NEC Floppy Drive", together with other disks in the system (HDDs, USB disks, etc.) if I remember correctly.

any screenshot for this? especially the expanded one.

other way that i could think of is to use the "compatibility disk mode" as troubleshooting to see if the windows 98 drivers works properly or not.
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Reply 16 of 21, by tayyare

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Joey_sw wrote:

any screenshot for this? especially the expanded one.

other way that i could think of is to use the "compatibility disk mode" as troubleshooting to see if the windows 98 drivers works properly or not.]

Here is the Windows 98 and Windows 95 screenshots of PIII 1000

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and here is the Windows 98 and Windows 95 screenshots of PMMX 233

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GA-6VTXE PIII 1.4+512MB
Geforce4 Ti 4200 64MB
Diamond Monster 3D 12MB SLI
SB AWE64 PNP+32MB
120GB IDE Samsung/80GB IDE Seagate/146GB SCSI Compaq/73GB SCSI IBM
Adaptec AHA29160
3com 3C905B-TX
Gotek+CF Reader
MSDOS 6.22+Win 3.11/95 OSR2.1/98SE/ME/2000

Reply 19 of 21, by Cuttoon

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tl,dr, but:
- of course, check the bios settings
- try switching the two drives from the one port on the cable to the other, does that change anything?

I like jumpers.