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First post, by seob

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A few months ago i found 2 gus max clones. Until now i haven't been able to indentify them. The one pictured here is the same as the one in my p100 system, with the only exeption the bios chip (promise) that isn't on the one i use.
My guess is that it is a bioschip for the ide port.

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Trying to look up the fcc didn't help. Also searching for ultrapromise-2 only shows promise ide cards. Hope someone can help me.

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Reply 1 of 13, by shock__

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That's not a max clone, missing the Crystal Codec chip. More a clone of the GUS classic.
Still - that's a new one to me.

Current Project: new GUS PnP compatible soundcard

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Reply 2 of 13, by idspispopd

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Fascinating. Promise is obviously responsible for the on-board IDE interface.
So these are your posts: http://www.retroforum.nl/topic/4341-show-hier … retroaankoop-2/
This is probably also you? http://atariage.com/forums/topic/233479-gravi … ible-soundcard/
Robin4 (also in the Netherlands) mentioned buying such a card, no details though: Bought these (retro) hardware today

I think Amigo *might* be the brand, but I couldn't find anything to confirm this.

Reply 3 of 13, by shock__

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Maybe it's loosely related to the "Primax AltraSound" aka Sound-M16C (later slightly redesigned and rebranded by Gravis as the "UltraSound CD3" - being the only production type GUS by gravis with a green PCB) as they both used the "Ultrasound compatible" label and had extensive explainations of the jumper settings on the solder side of the card.

Current Project: new GUS PnP compatible soundcard

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Reply 4 of 13, by seob

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idspispopd wrote:
Fascinating. Promise is obviously responsible for the on-board IDE interface. So these are your posts: http://www.retroforum.nl/ […]
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Fascinating. Promise is obviously responsible for the on-board IDE interface.
So these are your posts: http://www.retroforum.nl/topic/4341-show-hier … retroaankoop-2/
This is probably also you? http://atariage.com/forums/topic/233479-gravi … ible-soundcard/
Robin4 (also in the Netherlands) mentioned buying such a card, no details though: Bought these (retro) hardware today

I think Amigo *might* be the brand, but I couldn't find anything to confirm this.

yes top two posts are me. These cards where both bought in the Netherlands. The back of the card also has a writing ultrapromise-2 just under the joystick port. So my guess was that it is a soundcard made by promise. But i cannot find anything conforming it.

Reply 5 of 13, by peklop

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By miracle or big luck i found FCCID o the ULTRAPROMISE gus sound card:

https://fccid.io/MA5ULTRAPROMISE
https://fccid.io/MA5

MA5ULTRAPROMISE
1995-11-29 Sound Card
Original Equipment

Full Company Details: D&B; International Computer Inc - MA5
Company Code: MA5
Address:
D&B; International Computer Inc
8F-4, No 5, Wu-Chuan 1st Road Wu-Ku Ind Park, Hsing Chuan City
Taipei, N/A N/A
Taiwan

Reply 6 of 13, by peklop

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Is BIOS used by Ultrapromise GUS card same as BIOS used by Promise FloppyMax EIDE controller? Dell 9446-00 :
http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-ISA-Controller-Ca … ch/332033566385

Promise card is from 1998 but still with jumpers and probably not PnP. Like GF1 GUS cards.

Reply 7 of 13, by peklop

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Before i close old tabs in browser...
A story how i discovered an unknown GUS clone 😀

i read one not so interesting topic about ISA Sound Card:
file.php?id=29640&mode=view
Yes, typical low-end late ISA sound card with SB16 compatible ALS100 main chip and Crystal/Dream wavetable chip. Nothing special. Only FCC ID: MA5ASOUND APPROVED printed on circuit board.
I googled for company name and found this:
https://fccid.io/MA5ASOUND
D&B International Computer Inc
MA5ASOUND 1996-06-06 Sound Card
still nothing interesting. But when i clicked for other MA5 applications i found this:
MA5ULTRAPROMISE 1995-11-29 Sound Card
https://fccid.io/MA5ULTRAPROMISE

Wut??? ULTRAPROMISE?
It is name photoetched on GUS clone with BIOS socket.
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I googled and found this ebay auction:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Tango-100-ISA-Sound … N-/282187269600
Same MA5ASOUND card from original Vogons thread. Now with name.
Name is ASOUND Tango 100 Wavetable. Tango 100 because ALS100 chip? maybe.
Interesting is CMC logo at manual and install floppy disc. C.M.C. means Computer - Multimedia - Components.
Photographed manual is in German language.
CMC is the only logo. Nothing about D&B od ASOUND.
ok, no we have three company names for searching:
1. CMC
2. ASOUND
3. D&B International Computer Inc.

google is my friend again

1. i found CMC computer multimedia components trademark here:
http://oz.kurzy.cz/br/cmc-computer-multimedia … -p1197995zo.htm
https://www.firminform.de/unternehmen/CMC-Com … uenchen/2113190
Logo is different from ebay auction but name is same. It was trademark from Germany and lived from 1999 to 2000. OK for ISA ALS but too late for GUS cards. Not interesting

2. Searched for Asound and found this:
http://www.made-in-china.com/showroom/dgasound
ASONIC? Fourth name for same thing 😀 . We are on right way. Asound/Asonic is listed as sound card manufacturer. Full name is Asound International Computer Inc.
http://www.globalsources.com.hk/si/AS/Asound- … 74/Homepage.htm
Established in 1994 - good timing for GUS clones.

3. D&B International Computer Inc
http://www.globalsources.com/si/FL/D/60088005 … 42/Homepage.htm
D&B article with (dead) link to Asonic catalogue http://www.asonic.com.cn/AsoundCatalog.pdf
Link is dead but heurera!, we have URL of ASOUND company. And confirmed D&B = Asound = Asonic
http://www.adrforum.com/domaindecisions/198925.htm
- dispute about http://www.asound.com domain
i googled for "www.asonic.com.cn". Uninteresting results about linux drivers for BT878 tv cards. And post from 2007 with dead link to 4channel soundcard. Before 10 years company still existed.

Last chance is Archive.org.
A browsed archived pages with links to all three domain and found interesting results:
http://web.archive.org/web/20020806051913/htt … onic.com.cn:80/
http://web.archive.org/web/20011211203140/htt … ish/english.htm
http://web.archive.org/web/19970412114438/htt … .com.tw/cp.html
http://web.archive.org/web/19970112045931/htt … .tw/d&b-drv.htm

Asound,com was redirected http://dnb.com.tw

Company profile is interesting:
"At the heart of D&B;,you will find top engineers that have experience from renown-ed companies of the world.The vision of its founders was/is to create the best multi-media products ever offered in the industry.
So far, D&B; has introduced 36 products on Audio and Telephony/Fax/Modem. D&B;'s multimedia products like multi I/O, RAM-based 16-bit Sound Card were first introduced in 1994. Today,more than 10,000,000 products are utilized by com-puter users worldwide. D&B; is particularly proud of the fact that thousands of these products'are still being utilized by more than 5,000 companies worldwide."

multi I/O, RAM-based 16-bit Sound Card

YES, YES, YES, it must be GRAVIS ULTRASOUND clone. And multi IO because IDE BIOS? Probably yes.

Since 1995, The FM Music Synthesizer - ASONIC series, FM Music Synthesizer Cards and RAM-based 16-bit Multimedia Wavetable Synthesizer Cards have been at the forefront of helping computer users with all types of specifications.

New info. "Asonic" is not name for GUS card but for newer FM cards.
RAM-based 16-bit Multimedia Wavetable Synthesizer Card - 100% GUS clone, but what? Still same PCB or different?
Asonic.oom.cn website is archived by archive.org from 2001. So late.

http://www.dnb.com.tw is archived from 1997. Much better.
But from product section, there is no info about GUS card. Only FM ALS based, some Waveblaster modules and some IDE controllers. VLB controllers are included but GUS from same time isnt.
http://web.archive.org/web/19970618064029/htt … :80/s-card.html - ALS based
http://web.archive.org/web/19970412114603/htt … 0/catalogs.html - ALS based
http://web.archive.org/web/19970618064043/htt … tw:80/wtdc.html - waveblaster modules
http://web.archive.org/web/19970618064057/htt … .tw:80/ioc.html - IDE cards

but in DRIVERS section:
http://web.archive.org/web/19970112045931/htt … .tw/d&b-drv.htm
UltraWave
gf1win95.exe Setup program for UltraWave(Self-extracting), Size: 13MB, Date: 08/10/96. Driver for Windows 95.

WE GOT HIM

Yes, they sold GUS clone under name UltraWave

Sadly i can t found more info.
Nothing about BIOS and card specifications.

Company logo:
dnb.gif

that's all what i found

Reply 8 of 13, by hard1k

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Wow! I'm really impressed about your investigation capabilities!
Thanks a lot for this!

Fortex, the A3D & XG/OPL3 accelerator (Vortex 2 + YMF744 combo sound card)
AWE64 Legacy
Please have a look at my wishlist (hosted on Amibay)

Reply 9 of 13, by peklop

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Little more info. I finaly found UltraWave specifications. In archived pages is not link from main product site, but still is hyperlink from different products, from ALS cards:

page named 3D SOUND about True 3-D holographic sound with our RAM-BASED 16-bit multimedia wavetable synthesizer card
http://web.archive.org/web/19970112050133/htt … 80/3d-sound.htm

Found older deleted Product page with only 3 ALS cards and 2 waveblasters but still with GUS:
http://web.archive.org/web/19970112045902/htt … w:80/d&b-pd.htm
d&b-pd.htm , d&b products

Check new logo. J.J.L , again different company name?
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At main 1997 website is Ultra Wave deleted in prodct list. But when i go to any of six ALS based cards:
http://web.archive.org/web/19970618065423/htt … tra%20wave.html

Official specifications from website:

ULTRA WAVE CARD

True 3-D holographic sound with our RAM-BASED 16-bit multimedia wavetable synthesizer card

* A Microsoft Windows Multimedia (MPC-II) sound card for music, multimedia and business applications.
* RAM-based wavetable synthesis allows reproduction of an unlimited number of sounds with incredible accuracy.
* It sounds far better than other low-priced cards; one of the easiest to install.
* Support full-package drivers for Windows, DOS, utilities, lengthy demo programs, popular games and CD title.
*
A sound card for games, supporting Roland MT-32, Roland Sound Canvas, Adlib Sound Blaster and UltraSound
games for the best.
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A digital sound card capable of simultaneous recording and playback, with up to 32 simultaneous digital channels,
full-mixing capabilities, and built-in interface IDE (ATAPI) CD-ROM drive.
*
Optional BIOS for LBA function to control IDE channel one (primary address) and channel two (secondary address),
so even older mainboards can support HDD larger than 528MB.

* Full 16-bit general MIDI patch set comprising 192 instruments and sound effect.
* Full 16-bit CD quality sound and 16-bit DMA to transfer sound data for recording and playback.
* 16-bit stereo playback and 8-bit recording up to 44.1 KHz.
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8/16-bit playback in all Windows 3.1 WAV formats (i.e., 8-bit, 16-bit, mono, stereo, 11025 Hz, 22050Hz, 44100 Hz,
48000Hz).
* Software setup for DMA, IRQ and game ports; enhanced joystick speed and sensitivity.
* Full MIDI IN/OUT capabilities.
* Plays WAV, MID, RMI, MOD, SND, ULT, POP and other sound files.
* True 3-D holographic sound.

Reply 11 of 13, by hard1k

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I guess the Wikipedia list of GUS clones has to be updated 😀

Fortex, the A3D & XG/OPL3 accelerator (Vortex 2 + YMF744 combo sound card)
AWE64 Legacy
Please have a look at my wishlist (hosted on Amibay)

Reply 12 of 13, by Stiletto

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peklop wrote:
hard1k wrote:

Wow! I'm really impressed about your investigation capabilities!
Thanks a lot for this!

I'm happy if it helps anyone. 😀

Stiletto Endorsed™. Great job on your research, peklop! 😁

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