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First post, by Rhuwyn

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I am toying with the idea of using a Pentium M based machine for a Windows 98 gaming machine. It's a mobile processor as most probably already know, but there are desktop boards based on the i855m chipset. Also, there is an ASUS adapter (CT-479) which will allow a number of Asus socket 478 motherboards to run a socket 479 processor.

Basically I got this idea when I was trying to find uses for a bunch of mobile CPUs I have on band from dead laptops not worth fixing. When I found there were desktop boards for them and that the i855m appears to have windows 98 driver support I got the itch to try it out.

I did a search and nothing came up. Was curious if anyone else had tried this.

Reply 1 of 13, by Rhuwyn

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Also, I found this article below where someone goes and tests the viability of Pentium M for a desktop. It outperforms the Pentium 4 in a lot of cases but the test was done using Windows XP, so it doesn't exactly test my use case but it's interesting information.

I noticed that there are SOME cheap socket 479 boards on ebay and I have plenty of ram and a couple old PCI-E graphics cards that should be Windows 98 compatible. So outside of a case and motherboard I pretty much have all the parts to try this out.

http://ixbtlabs.com/articles2/cpu/intel-penti … -m-desktop.html

Reply 3 of 13, by Rhuwyn

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swaaye wrote:

I don't think Win98 has any PCIe support. Intel doesn't support 915 on 98 either. Search the forum. I'm sure it has been discussed.

I could be wrong. But I believe this is dependent on if the chipset has drivers available. For example, if I am running an i855M chipset(as I intend to do in this case)...and that chipset has drivers for windows 98....and that board has a PCI-E.....then I should be able to run a PCI-E Videocard so long as it also has Windows 98 drivers.

Feel free to correct me if I am off base.

Reply 5 of 13, by Rhuwyn

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swaaye wrote:

I found a thread from a month ago listing successes. Just can't keep up with the insanity! 😀
PCIe devices on Windows 98 SE

Thanks for finding that. I'm generally pretty good at searches but for some reason searching directly on this site I dont do so well. He listed a 7800 GTX. I have a 7900GS sitting around which is the one I'd be trying to get working. I believe it works with a hacked driver but I am not sure.

Reply 6 of 13, by BSA Starfire

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Never tried my system with 98 but I can confirm that it makes a great windows XP platform, quick, quiet and very stable. Here is my Hwinfo screen. I use this machine daily for most all of my everyday tasks.

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Reply 7 of 13, by Rhuwyn

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BSA Starfire wrote:
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Never tried my system with 98 but I can confirm that it makes a great windows XP platform, quick, quiet and very stable. Here is my Hwinfo screen. I use this machine daily for most all of my everyday tasks.

Looked up MS-9625 on ebay and it looks like someones got those stocked int he UK for less then 14 USD a board. Only wish the shipping wasn't almost 23 USD. Still not a horrible deal though. Also looks like the 915 series chipsets have Windows98 support.

Reply 8 of 13, by Imperious

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You can get the CT-479 still from Ebay http://www.ebay.com/itm/ASUS-CT-479-CPU-Upgra … =item3cef630911

I have still got my one and the Asus P4P800dlx with P4P800se bios flashed into it for multiplier adjustments. I well remember that my 7800gs was
bottlenecking the Pentium M at 2.8ghz, but was the other way round when I put a HD3850agp in there. You definitely will not find a more powerful
single core cpu, but really don't know why You would want to run win98 on it. Maybe run dual boot would make more sense there.

The main downside with that setup was that the CT-479 raised the height of the cpu so a normal P4 heatsink wouldn't fit anymore. The best way round this was
to rip the heatsink off a useless 1.6ghz P4 or Celeron, stick it on with Hot glue or sikkaflex and some heat paste obviously. Then You could mount a
Zalman 7000cu cooler. I reckon the Pentium M overclocked was about equal to a 5 ghz P4.

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Reply 9 of 13, by Rhuwyn

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Imperious wrote:
You can get the CT-479 still from Ebay http://www.ebay.com/itm/ASUS-CT-479-CPU-Upgra … =item3cef630911 […]
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You can get the CT-479 still from Ebay http://www.ebay.com/itm/ASUS-CT-479-CPU-Upgra … =item3cef630911

I have still got my one and the Asus P4P800dlx with P4P800se bios flashed into it for multiplier adjustments. I well remember that my 7800gs was
bottlenecking the Pentium M at 2.8ghz, but was the other way round when I put a HD3850agp in there. You definitely will not find a more powerful
single core cpu, but really don't know why You would want to run win98 on it. Maybe run dual boot would make more sense there.

The main downside with that setup was that the CT-479 raised the height of the cpu so a normal P4 heatsink wouldn't fit anymore. The best way round this was
to rip the heatsink off a useless 1.6ghz P4 or Celeron, stick it on with Hot glue or sikkaflex and some heat paste obviously. Then You could mount a
Zalman 7000cu cooler. I reckon the Pentium M overclocked was about equal to a 5 ghz P4.

Nice to see someone who has been doing this in practice! The question would be..is it worth the cost of an Asus 478 board and 23 bucks for the adaptor.

The fact that it is the most powerful single core processor is part of why I want to run Windows 98. Since Windows 98 does not support multithreading the most absolute best performance you may be able to get on 9x would in fact be that processor....in theory at least. If I was to run Windows XP there is much more powerful cheaper hardware out there.

Reply 10 of 13, by GeorgeMan

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A core of an Intel Pentium E6500K (unlocked) running at 3.6GHz on an AsRock 775i65G (which is fully and officially supported under Win 98SE) is much speedier than that...
Cost? Around 10€ for the CPU and 20€ for the motherboard, 2nd hand -or- around 60euros new.

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Reply 11 of 13, by Gamecollector

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Well, even with CT-479 + Pentium-M 7x0 you change 800 MHz FSB to 533 MHz FSB. Questionable decision.
The only reason may be TDP/Fan noise...

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Reply 12 of 13, by Imperious

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Gamecollector wrote:

Well, even with CT-479 + Pentium-M 7x0 you change 800 MHz FSB to 533 MHz FSB. Questionable decision.
The only reason may be TDP/Fan noise...

I used to run my Pentium M 740 at 216 x 13 for 2808mhz, that's over 800fsb

I actually ran benchmarks comparing performance with a Pentium M 715 as well as the 740 and it appeared that FSB speeds made no
difference whatsoever.
The main thing that was lost was Hyperthreading, but still there is no P4 that can keep up for games.

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Reply 13 of 13, by nforce4max

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Its a great and fun platfrom to work with but if you build around a 915 board you are going to be limited when it comes to overall overclocking. DDR2 and pci-e with a PM 780 is pretty snappy.

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