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Reply 20 of 53, by alexanrs

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My monitor didn't do too badly...

Monitor:    BENQ 2420T
Native res: 1920x1080 120Hz
Scaling: Interpolated / 1:1 selectable
Aspect rto: 16:9, letterboxing supported
Machine: Pentium 133MHz + Windows 95 OSR2
Video card: S3 Virge DX 2MB (BIOS Version: 2.01.07)
UniVBE: no
Tested by: alexanrs

OVERALL COMPATIBILITY RATING:
13.5 / 14 - Good

Application P F CP Notes
,-----------------------------------------------------------------------------.
| Ambience | | | X | Displays "Out of sync" message, but it can |
| |###########| be forced to display the image by setting |
| |###########| a shortcut to 1:1 scaling and pressing it. |
| Luminati | | | X | Same as above. |
| Timeless (56Hz) | X | | | Auto-adjust doesn't center the image well. |
| Timeless (60Hz) | X | | | |
| Dowhackado | X | | | |
| Kukoo2 | X | | | |
| Copper | | | X | It trembles... but doesn't wobble |
| Sunflower | X | | | |
| Yo | X | | | |
| Impulse Tracker | X | | | |
| CubicPlayer 132x43 | X | | | I'm not sure the entire screen is showing |
| Tweak 256x256 | X | | | |
| Tweak 360x480 | X | | | |
| Tweak 376x564 | X | | | |
| PAL-on-VGA | | | X | Actually displays the image, but the "Out |
| NTSC-on-VGA | | | X | of sync" message keeps popping up |
| |###########| Also, it displays previous content. |
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| Other notes: |
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Hopefully the fact that it does display stuff in NTSC-on-VGA and PAL-on-VGA means that it will accept 15kHz signals (e.g. CGA coupled with a simple RGBI to RGB circuit), so I can use it with my XT. Fun thing how it can be coherced to show images after it throws a fit. This monitor has this weird "sidekick" thing with shortcut buttons, and if you set a mode there, and press it, it shows the image where before would only be a black screen with the "out of sync" message. Btw any scaling other than 1:1 caused Ambience and Luminati to display garbage.

Here are some random pics:

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Reply 21 of 53, by xjas

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Cool stuff guys, thanks for submitting!
As this thread is getting hard to read, I'm thinking of making the 'database' itself into a Wiki site or something and giving forum members who want it edit access. The thread can be for discussion.

Someone wanna recommend a good (free) wiki host I could use? WikiDot?

twitch.tv/oldskooljay - playing the obscure, forgotten & weird - most Tuesdays & Thursdays @ 6:30 PM PDT. Bonus streams elsewhen!

Reply 23 of 53, by xjas

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^^ I'm a dope, didn't realize there was a Vogons wiki. Of course there is...

twitch.tv/oldskooljay - playing the obscure, forgotten & weird - most Tuesdays & Thursdays @ 6:30 PM PDT. Bonus streams elsewhen!

Reply 24 of 53, by Stiletto

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xjas wrote:

^^ I'm a dope, didn't realize there was a Vogons wiki. Of course there is...

😁 Yes, and it really needs more activity and posters 😁

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do the Fandango!" - Queen

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Reply 25 of 53, by pewpewpew

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**EDIT**

I took alexanrs's advice and revised my ratings. Result is 3 so-so LCDs, but my CRTs did rather poorly too. I swapped the vid card with little difference. In my next post I tried my 486/8900C and finally got copper to wobble the CRT, but lost ground elsewhere. These are not easy tests.

Summary:

Viewsonic VP930 19" - Jan 2006 - 5.5 / 15
Benq FP222W 22" - Nov 2006 - 7.5 / 15
Benq FP931 19" - Jan 2005 - 6.5 / 15

CRT - IBM G78 17" - May 2002 - 11 / 15
-swap Virge DX to Mach 64:
CRT - IBM G78 17" - May 2002 - 9.5 / 15
-swap CRT:
CRT - LG 775FT 17" - Dec 2000 - 9.5 / 15

no wobble for me.

Monitor:    Viewsonic VP930 19" - Jan 2006
Native res: 1280x1024
Scaling:
Aspect rto: 5:4, no letterboxing
Machine: P5TX-Bpro 200MMX@233 64MB SDRAM DOS 6.0
Video card: S3 Virge DX
UniVBE: no
Tested by: pewpewpew

OVERALL COMPATIBILITY RATING:
7.5 / 15

Application P F CP Notes
,-----------------------------------------------------------------------------.
| Ambience | | X | | out of range |
| Luminati | X | | | not centered (high) but otherwise okay |
| Timeless (56Hz) | X | | | |
| Timeless (60Hz) | X | | | |
| Dowhackado | X | | | |
| Kukoo2 | | X | | |
| Copper | | X | | |
| Sunflower | X | | | |
| Yo | X | | | |
| Impulse Tracker | | | | "insufficient memory" ...okay -next |
| CubicPlayer 132x43 | | X | | |
| Tweak 256x256 | | | X | runs off top and bottom |
| Tweak 360x480 | | | X | full screen fill, so vert squished |
| Tweak 376x564 | | | X | runs off screen all round |
| PAL-on-VGA | | X | | out of range |
| NTSC-on-VGA | | X | | out of range |
|-----------------------------------------------------------------------------|
| Other notes: |
| |
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`-----------------------------------------------------------------------------'


-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Monitor: Benq FP222W 22" - Nov 2006
Native res: 1680x1050
Scaling: interpolation
Aspect rto: 16:10
Machine: P5TX-Bpro 200MMX@233 64MB SDRAM DOS 6.0
Video card: S3 Virge DX
UniVBE: no
Tested by: pewpewpew

OVERALL COMPATIBILITY RATING:
6.5 / 15

Application P F CP Notes
,-----------------------------------------------------------------------------.
| Ambience | | | X | 'nonpreset mode', only top half of screen |
| Luminati | | | X | 'nonpreset mode', colours too simple |
| Timeless (56Hz) | X | | | not centered (low) |
| Timeless (60Hz) | X | | | |
| Dowhackado | | X | | out of range |
| Kukoo2 | | X | | out of range |
| Copper | | X | | |
| Sunflower | X | | | |
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| Yo                 | X |   |   |                                            |
| Impulse Tracker | | | | "insufficient memory" ...okay -next |
| CubicPlayer 132x43 | | X | | |
| Tweak 256x256 | | | X | bottom cut at 240 |
| Tweak 360x480 | | | X | stretched to fill screen |
| Tweak 376x564 | | | X | stretched wide |
| PAL-on-VGA | | X | | out of range |
| NTSC-on-VGA | | X | | out of range |
|-----------------------------------------------------------------------------|
| Other notes: |
| |
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`-----------------------------------------------------------------------------'


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Monitor: Benq FP931 19" - Jan 2005
Native res: 1280x1024
Scaling: interpolation
Aspect rto: 5:4, letterboxing
Machine: P5TX-Bpro 200MMX@233 64MB SDRAM DOS 6.0
Video card: S3 Virge DX
UniVBE: no
Tested by: pewpewpew

OVERALL COMPATIBILITY RATING:
5.5 / 15

Application P F CP Notes
,-----------------------------------------------------------------------------.
| Ambience | | X | | out of range |
| Luminati | | X | | out of range |
| Timeless (56Hz) | X | | | not centered (low) |
| Timeless (60Hz) | X | | | |
| Dowhackado | | | X | off center with clipping (left) |
| Kukoo2 | | X | | out of range |
| Copper | | X | | |
| Sunflower | X | | | |
| Yo | X | | | |
| Impulse Tracker | | | | "insufficient memory" ...okay -next |
| CubicPlayer 132x43 | | X | | |
| Tweak 256x256 | | | X | clips bottom at 250 |
| Tweak 360x480 | | | X | clips right at 352, and distorts to fill |
| Tweak 376x564 | | X | | out of range |
| PAL-on-VGA | | X | | out of range |
| NTSC-on-VGA | | X | | out of range |
|-----------------------------------------------------------------------------|
| Other notes: |
| |
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`-----------------------------------------------------------------------------'

***CRT ONLY BELOW***

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Monitor: CRT FOR REFERENCE - IBM G78 17" - May 2002
Native res: N/A
Scaling: N/A
Aspect rto: 4:3
Machine: P5TX-Bpro 200MMX@233 64MB SDRAM DOS 6.0
Video card: S3 Virge DX
UniVBE: no
Tested by: pewpewpew

OVERALL COMPATIBILITY RATING:
11 / 15

Application P F CP Notes
,-----------------------------------------------------------------------------.
| Ambience | X | | | |
| Luminati | X | | | |
| Timeless (56Hz) | X | | | |
| Timeless (60Hz) | X | | | |
| Dowhackado | X | | | |
| Kukoo2 | X | | | occasional minor flicker in center part |
| Copper | | X | | much trouble. does not like my hardware. |
| Sunflower | X | | | |
| Yo | X | | | |
| Impulse Tracker | | | | "insufficient memory" ...okay -next |
| CubicPlayer 132x43 | X | | | |
| Tweak 256x256 | X | | | |
| Tweak 360x480 | | | X | distort to fill screen |
| Tweak 376x564 | | | X | distort to fill screen, bad flickering |
| PAL-on-VGA | | X | | out of range |
| NTSC-on-VGA | | X | | out of range |
|-----------------------------------------------------------------------------|
| Other notes: |
| |
| |
`-----------------------------------------------------------------------------'

CHANGE VIDEO CARD:
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Monitor: CRT FOR REFERENCE - IBM G78 17" - May 2002
Native res: N/A
Scaling: N/A
Aspect rto: 4:3
Machine: P5TX-Bpro 200MMX@233 64MB SDRAM DOS 6.0
Video card: ATI MACH64
UniVBE: no
Tested by: pewpewpew

OVERALL COMPATIBILITY RATING:
9.5 / 15

Application P F CP Notes
,-----------------------------------------------------------------------------.
| Ambience | X | | | |
| Luminati | X | | | |
| Timeless (56Hz) | X | | | |
| Timeless (60Hz) | X | | | |
| Dowhackado | | | X | bad flickering, colours bit faded |
| Kukoo2 | X | | | occasional minor flicker in center part |
| Copper | | X | | much trouble. does not like my hardware. |
| Sunflower | X | | | |
| Yo | X | | | |
| Impulse Tracker | | | | "insufficient memory" ...okay -next |
| CubicPlayer 132x43 | | X | | |
| Tweak 256x256 | X | | | |
| Tweak 360x480 | | | X | distort to fill screen |
| Tweak 376x564 | | | X | distort to fill screen, bad flickering |
| PAL-on-VGA | | X | | out of range |
| NTSC-on-VGA | | X | | out of range |
|-----------------------------------------------------------------------------|
| Other notes: |
| |
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`-----------------------------------------------------------------------------'

CHANGE CRT:
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Monitor: CRT FOR REFERENCE - LG 775FT 17" - Dec 2000
Native res: N/A
Scaling: N/A
Aspect rto: 4:3
Machine: P5TX-Bpro 200MMX@233 64MB SDRAM DOS 6.0
Video card: ATI MACH64
UniVBE: no
Tested by: pewpewpew

OVERALL COMPATIBILITY RATING:
9.5 / 15

Application P F CP Notes
,-----------------------------------------------------------------------------.
| Ambience | X | | | |
| Luminati | X | | | |
| Timeless (56Hz) | X | | | |
| Timeless (60Hz) | X | | | |
| Dowhackado | | | X | bad flickering, colours bit faded |
| Kukoo2 | X | | | occasional minor flicker in center part |
| Copper | | X | | much trouble. does not like my hardware. |
| Sunflower | X | | | |
| Yo | X | | | |
| Impulse Tracker | | | | "insufficient memory" ...okay -next |
| CubicPlayer 132x43 | | X | | |
| Tweak 256x256 | X | | | |
| Tweak 360x480 | | | X | distort to fill screen |
| Tweak 376x564 | | | X | distort to fill screen, bad flickering |
| PAL-on-VGA | | X | | out of range |
| NTSC-on-VGA | | X | | out of range |
|-----------------------------------------------------------------------------|
| Other notes: |
| |
| |
`-----------------------------------------------------------------------------'
Last edited by pewpewpew on 2015-10-08, 20:59. Edited 1 time in total.

Reply 26 of 53, by alexanrs

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I think you were too harsh on your screens, pewpewpew. I'd move many of your "fails" to "conditional fails". I don't consider aspect ratio mismatches fails, for example, because the image is there, only with a minor issue. This is the problem with these kinds of databases, though, as different testers might have different criteria to classify something as a failure.

Reply 27 of 53, by pewpewpew

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You are right of course, it says exactly that in the template.txt. I was going snowblind on the second pass, and started rejecting on "would this be acceptable for a game?"

**EDIT**
Tried new hardware after kinda poor results with the Pentium above. Finally got wobble on CRT at least, but lost ground elsewhere. Also Cubic was stable. On the P1 it kept locking up, sometimes before I could check 132x43.

**EDIT 2**
Added LG L1730S - it's not good enough for a new post, so let's just append it here for whoever might run Search someday.

=SUMMARY=
Machine: 486DX33 256KB 32MB DOS 6.0
Video card: TVGA 8900C

Viewsonic VP930 19" - Jan 2006 - 7.5 / 15
Benq FP222W 22" - Nov 2006 - 6.5 / 15
Benq FP931 19" - Jan 2005 - 6.5 / 15
CRT FOR REFERENCE - IBM G78 17" - May 2002 - 10.5 / 15
LG Flatron L1730S - Jun 2005 - 7.5 / 15

Monitor:    Viewsonic VP930 19" - Jan 2006
Native res: 1280x1024
Scaling:
Aspect rto: 5:4, no letterboxing
Machine: 486DX33 256KB 32MB DOS 6.0
Video card: TVGA 8900C
UniVBE: no
Tested by: pewpewpew

OVERALL COMPATIBILITY RATING:
7.5 / 15 poor

Application P F CP Notes
,-----------------------------------------------------------------------------.
| Ambience | | X | | out of range |
| Luminati | | X | | out of range |
| Timeless (56Hz) | X | | | |
| Timeless (60Hz) | X | | | |
| Dowhackado | X | | | |
| Kukoo2 | | X | | |
| Copper | | X | | wobbles fail, but the later three zooms |
| |###########| with wobble all worked. |
| Sunflower | X | | | slow, major frame drops between horiz wipes|
| Yo | X | | | |
| Impulse Tracker | | | | "insufficient memory" ...okay -next |
| CubicPlayer 132x43 | X | | | |
| Tweak 256x256 | | | X | runs off top and bottom |
| Tweak 360x480 | | | X | distort to fill screen |
| Tweak 376x564 | | | X | runs off screen all round |
| PAL-on-VGA | | X | | out of range |
| NTSC-on-VGA | | X | | out of range |
|-----------------------------------------------------------------------------|
| Other notes: |
| |
| |
`-----------------------------------------------------------------------------'


-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Monitor: Benq FP222W 22" - Nov 2006
Native res: 1680x1050
Scaling: interpolation
Aspect rto: 16:10
Machine: 486DX33 256KB 32MB DOS 6.0
Video card: TVGA 8900C
UniVBE: no
Tested by: pewpewpew

OVERALL COMPATIBILITY RATING:
6.5 / 15 poor

Application P F CP Notes
,-----------------------------------------------------------------------------.
| Ambience | | X | | blank screen |
| Luminati | | | X | slow, not smooth |
| Timeless (56Hz) | X | | | off center (low) |
| Timeless (60Hz) | X | | | |
| Dowhackado | | X | | out of range |
| Kukoo2 | | X | | out of range |
| Copper | | X | | |
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| Sunflower          |   |   | X | slow, major frame drops between horiz wipes|
| Yo | X | | | |
| Impulse Tracker | | | | "insufficient memory" ...okay -next |
| CubicPlayer 132x43 | X | | | |
| Tweak 256x256 | | | X | bottom cut at 240 |
| Tweak 360x480 | | | X | distort to fill screen |
| Tweak 376x564 | | | X | letterboxed, and bottom cut off at ~390 |
| PAL-on-VGA | | X | | out of range |
| NTSC-on-VGA | | X | | out of range |
|-----------------------------------------------------------------------------|
| Other notes: |
| |
| |
`-----------------------------------------------------------------------------'


-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Monitor: Benq FP931 19" - Jan 2005
Native res: 1280x1024
Scaling: interpolation
Aspect rto: 5:4, letterboxing
Machine: 486DX33 256KB 32MB DOS 6.0
Video card: TVGA 8900C
UniVBE: no
Tested by: pewpewpew

OVERALL COMPATIBILITY RATING:
6.5 / 15 poor

Application P F CP Notes
,-----------------------------------------------------------------------------.
| Ambience | | X | | out of range |
| Luminati | | X | | out of range |
| Timeless (56Hz) | X | | | off center (high) |
| Timeless (60Hz) | X | | | |
| Dowhackado | | | X | off center (left) with clipping |
| Kukoo2 | | | X | bottom half offset left, and generally |
| |###########| broken up. |
| Copper | | X | | |
| Sunflower | | | X | slow, major frame drops between horiz wipes|
| Yo | X | | | |
| Impulse Tracker | | | | "insufficient memory" ...okay -next |
| CubicPlayer 132x43 | X | | | |
| Tweak 256x256 | | | X | bottom clipped at 250 |
| Tweak 360x480 | | | X | distort to fill screen |
| Tweak 376x564 | | X | | out of range |
| PAL-on-VGA | | X | | out of range |
| NTSC-on-VGA | | X | | out of range |
|-----------------------------------------------------------------------------|
| Other notes: |
| |
| |
`-----------------------------------------------------------------------------'


-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Monitor: CRT FOR REFERENCE - IBM G78 17" - May 2002
Native res: N/A
Scaling: N/A
Aspect rto: 4:3
Machine: 486DX33 256KB 32MB DOS 6.0
Video card: TVGA 8900C
UniVBE: no
Tested by: pewpewpew

OVERALL COMPATIBILITY RATING:
10.5 / 15

Application P F CP Notes
,-----------------------------------------------------------------------------.
| Ambience | X | | | |
| Luminati | X | | | slow, not smooth. off-center (low). |
| Timeless (56Hz) | X | | | |
| Timeless (60Hz) | X | | | |
| Dowhackado | X | | | |
| Kukoo2 | | | X | bottom half offset left |
| Copper | | | X | wobbles have some struggle & flicker |
| Sunflower | | | X | slow, major frame drops between horiz wipes|
| Yo | X | | | |
| Impulse Tracker | | | | "insufficient memory" ...okay -next |
| CubicPlayer 132x43 | X | | | |
| Tweak 256x256 | X | | | |
| Tweak 360x480 | | | X | distort to fill screen |
| Tweak 376x564 | | | X | distort to fill screen, bad flickering |
| PAL-on-VGA | | X | | out of range |
| NTSC-on-VGA | | X | | out of range |
|-----------------------------------------------------------------------------|
| Other notes: |
| |
| |
`-----------------------------------------------------------------------------'


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Monitor: LG Flatron L1730S 17" - Jun 2005
Native res: 1280x1024
Scaling:
Aspect rto: 5:4
Machine: 486DX33 256KB 32MB DOS 6.0
Video card: TVGA 8900C
UniVBE: no
Tested by: pewpewpew

OVERALL COMPATIBILITY RATING:
7.5 / 15

Application P F CP Notes
,-----------------------------------------------------------------------------.
| Ambience | | X | | out of range |
| Luminati | | X | | out of range |
| Timeless (56Hz) | X | | | off center (low) |
| Timeless (60Hz) | X | | | off center (high) |
| Dowhackado | X | | | |
| Kukoo2 | | | X | bottom half offset left, and generally |
| |###########| broken up. |
| Copper | | X | | |
| Sunflower | | | X | slow, major frame drops between horiz wipes|
| Yo | X | | | |
| Impulse Tracker | | | | "insufficient memory" ...okay -next |
| CubicPlayer 132x43 | X | | | |
| Tweak 256x256 | | | X | bottom clipped at 245 |
| Tweak 360x480 | | | X | distort to fill screen |
| Tweak 376x564 | | | X | distort to fill screen |
| PAL-on-VGA | | X | | out of range |
| NTSC-on-VGA | | X | | out of range |
|-----------------------------------------------------------------------------|
| Other notes: |
| |
| |
`-----------------------------------------------------------------------------'
Last edited by pewpewpew on 2015-10-24, 19:22. Edited 1 time in total.

Reply 28 of 53, by mwdmeyer

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xjas wrote:

^^ I'm a dope, didn't realize there was a Vogons wiki. Of course there is...

Sorry for the delay I've approved your account on the wiki.

I really need to setup an email to alert me when people have requested an account. Although you can always email me directly to get me to approve in future michael@dalegroup.net

Vogons Wiki - http://vogonswiki.com

Reply 29 of 53, by James-F

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LG FLATRON F700B 17" CRT

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[code]
Monitor: LG FLATRON F700B 17" CRT
Native res: 1280x1024
Scaling: CRT
Aspect ratio: 4:3
Machine: Pentium 233 MMX
Video card: Cirrus Logic 5446 2MB
UniVBE: No
Tested by: James-F

OVERALL COMPATIBILITY RATING:
13.5/14.
Fantastic.

Application P F CP Notes
,-----------------------------------------------------------------------------.
| Ambience | X | | | Pass all 83Hz-120Hz |
| Luminati | X | | | Pass all 83Hz-120Hz |
| Timeless (56Hz) | X | | | |
| Timeless (60Hz) | X | | | |
| Dowhackado | X | | | |
| Kukoo2 | X | | | |
| Copper | | | X | No Wobble. |
| Sunflower | X | | | |
| Yo | X | | | |
| Impulse Tracker | X | | | |
| CubicPlayer 132x43 | X | | | |
| Tweak 256x256 | X | | | |
| Tweak 360x480 | X | | | |
| Tweak 376x564 | X | | | |
| PAL-on-VGA | | X | | |
| NTSC-on-VGA | | X | | |
|-----------------------------------------------------------------------------|
| Other notes: |
| |
| |
`-----------------------------------------------------------------------------'

This one is a keeper.
It will rot at the attic, but I'm not selling it.

EDIT: Just noticed this thread is about LCD. Oh well..


my important / useful posts are here

Reply 30 of 53, by M-HT

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Here are results for my old Eizo FlexScan L550 monitor:

Monitor:    Eizo FlexScan L550 17"
Native res: 1280x1024
Scaling: Nearest neighbour
Aspect rto: 5:4
Machine: Pentium MMX 200MHz, MS-DOS 6.22
Video card: S3 Virge DX 4MB
UniVBE: no
Tested by: M-HT

OVERALL COMPATIBILITY RATING:
11 / 14 - Good

Application P F CP Notes
,-----------------------------------------------------------------------------.
| Ambience | | | X | Displays only a partial image and |
| |###########| complains about signal error - too high |
| |###########| vertical frequency - demo uses 100 Hz by |
| |###########| default and 82 Hz at minimum, monitor |
| |###########| supports at most 75 Hz. |
| Luminati | | | X | The same problem as Ambience. |
| Timeless (56Hz) | X | | | Black bars on top and bottom. |
| Timeless (60Hz) | X | | | Black bars on top and bottom. |
| Dowhackado | | | X | Yellow bar where mode changes mid-screen |
| |###########| and complains about signal error - too low |
| |###########| vertical frequency - demo uses 54.7 Hz, |
| |###########| monitor supports at least 56 Hz. |
| Kukoo2 | | X | | Freezes after few seconds. |
| Copper | | X | | Shows black screen during wobble effects. |
| |###########| Some other effects work, some don't. |
| Sunflower | X | | | The high-colour 'fakemode' looks very bad |
| |###########| compared to 16-bit modes. |
| Yo | X | | | |
| Impulse Tracker | X | | | |
| CubicPlayer 132x43 | X | | | |
| Tweak 256x256 | X | | | |
| Tweak 360x480 | X | | | |
| Tweak 376x564 | | | X | Complains about signal error - too low |
| |###########| vertical frequency - mode uses 50 Hz, |
| |###########| monitor supports at least 56 Hz. |
| PAL-on-VGA | | | X | Complains about signal error - too low |
| |###########| horizontal and too low vertical frequency. |
| NTSC-on-VGA | | | X | Complains about signal error - too low |
| |###########| horizontal frequency - mode uses 15.6 Hz, |
| |###########| monitor supports at least 31.5 Hz. |
|-----------------------------------------------------------------------------|
| Other notes: |
| |
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`-----------------------------------------------------------------------------'

Kukoo2 freezing is probably not a problem with the monitor.

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Reply 31 of 53, by M-HT

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And out of curiosity the results for my new(er) Samsung T24A550 monitor:

Monitor:    Samsung T24A550 24"
Native res: 1920x1080
Scaling: Interpolated
Aspect rto: 16:9 (can switch between 16:9 and 4:3)
Machine: Pentium MMX 200MHz, MS-DOS 6.22
Video card: S3 Virge DX 4MB
UniVBE: no
Tested by: M-HT

OVERALL COMPATIBILITY RATING:
9.5 / 14 - Not good

Application P F CP Notes
,-----------------------------------------------------------------------------.
| Ambience | | X | | |
| Luminati | | X | | |
| Timeless (56Hz) | | | X | Bar of random pixels at the bottom. |
| Timeless (60Hz) | X | | | |
| Dowhackado | | | X | Yellow bar where mode changes mid-screen |
| |###########| and bar of random pixels at the bottom. |
| Kukoo2 | | X | | Freezes after few seconds. |
| Copper | X | | | Suprisingly wobble work, but some other |
| |###########| effects don't. |
| Sunflower | X | | | The high-colour 'fakemode' looks very bad |
| |###########| compared to 16-bit modes. |
| Yo | X | | | |
| Impulse Tracker | X | | | |
| CubicPlayer 132x43 | X | | | |
| Tweak 256x256 | | | X | Bar of random pixels at the bottom. |
| Tweak 360x480 | X | | | |
| Tweak 376x564 | X | | | |
| PAL-on-VGA | | X | | |
| NTSC-on-VGA | | X | | |
|-----------------------------------------------------------------------------|
| Other notes: |
| |
| |
`-----------------------------------------------------------------------------'

Like before, Kukoo2 freezing is probably not a problem with the monitor.

Reply 32 of 53, by xjas

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^^ I get the same yellow bar in Dowhackado on my Virge DX. That's a video card problem unfortunately.

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Reply 34 of 53, by Bayger

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Hi there,
my first post here and my report for my relatively old Samsung monitor:

Monitor:    Samsung SyncMaster B2230 (TN)
Native res: 1920x1080
Scaling: Nearest neighbour
Aspect rto: Wide or auto (4:3 works fine)
Machine: Pentium III 700MHz, MS-DOS 6.22
Video card: NVidia Riva TNT2 Pro 32MB
UniVBE: no
Tested by: Bayger

OVERALL COMPATIBILITY RATING:
11.5 / 14 - Good
,-----------------------------------------------------------------------------.
| Ambience | | | X | Works @ 82Hz (see notes) |
| Luminati | | | X | Works @ 82Hz (see notes) |
| Timeless (56Hz) | X | | | |
| Timeless (60Hz) | X | | | |
| Dowhackado | X | | | |
| Kukoo2 | X | | | |
| Copper | | X | | Bars effect works, wobbling doesn't |
| Sunflower | X | | | |
| Yo | X | | | |
| Impulse Tracker | X | | | |
| CubicPlayer 132x43 | X | | | |
| Tweak 256x256 | | | X | Crops last 16 lines |
| Tweak 360x480 | X | | | |
| Tweak 376x564 | X | | | |
| PAL-on-VGA | | X | | Out of sync |
| NTSC-on-VGA | | X | | Out of sync |
`-----------------------------------------------------------------------------'

Notes: - For Ambience and Luminati you need to push down arrow several times to
lower refresh rate to 82 Hz. The image flickers but is almost okay.
- Monitor switches between video modes in 1-2 seconds which is IMHO quick.
- Text is very sharp and auto adjust feature works quite good (you'll
need full screen of text like when using Dos Navigator)
- Other tweak modes mostly work with occassional cropping
- As a bonus you can tweak viewing angles of TN matrix in OSD

EDIT: Updated info on Ambience and Luminati.

Last edited by Bayger on 2018-03-03, 14:08. Edited 1 time in total.

Reply 35 of 53, by alvaro84

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h-a-l-9000 wrote:

You are aware that stability of the Copper wobbling effects also depend on the video card?

Copper is notoriously playing around the limits of VGA compatibility. At pouet someone said that it ONLY works perfectly with one specific revision of the Tseng ET4000 VGA and nothing else. Yet the authors dare to write in the info file that if your VGA is so shite it isn't compatible it's not their problem. Conceited bastards and sloppy coders.

Shame on us, doomed from the start
May God have mercy on our dirty little hearts

Reply 36 of 53, by ahyeadude

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Monitor: EIZO FlexScan S2133
Native res: 1600x1200
Scaling: Nearest neighbour/Linear interpolation (selectable)
Aspect rto: 4:3
Machine: Pentium 233mhz MMX, MS-DOS 6.22
Video card: STB Virge GX 385 4MB
UniVBE: S3VBE318
Tested by: ahyeadude

OVERALL COMPATIBILITY RATING: 10/14 (bad)

  Application          P   F   CP  Notes
,-----------------------------------------------------------------------------.
| Ambience | | X | | |
| Luminati | | X | | |
| Timeless (56Hz) | X | | | |
| Timeless (60Hz) | X | | | |
| Dowhackado | | X | | |
| Kukoo2 | | X | | |
| Copper | | X | | |
| Sunflower | X | | | |
| Yo | X | | | |
| Impulse Tracker | X | | | |
| CubicPlayer 132x43 | X | | | |
| Tweak 256x256 | | X | | |
| Tweak 360x480 | X | | | |
| Tweak 376x564 | X | | | |
| PAL-on-VGA | X | | | Displays fine, "signal error" in corner |
| NTSC-on-VGA | X | | | Displays fine, "signal error" in corner |
|-----------------------------------------------------------------------------|
| Other notes: |
| |
| |
`-----------------------------------------------------------------------------'

I want to like this monitor. It is a beautiful 4:3 display with awesome scaling options. However, compatibility where it matters (non-bonus) is not very good. This monitor also frameskips above 60hz!!! This is most likely due to the IPS display. It is NOT a good choice for a DOS computer.

Just to describe how bad compatibility is, Commander Keen 4 does not display at all.

Last edited by ahyeadude on 2019-08-11, 20:58. Edited 1 time in total.

Reply 37 of 53, by ahyeadude

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Monitor: Samsung 930B
Native res: 1280x1024
Scaling: Nearest neighbour
Aspect rto: 5:4
Machine: Pentium 233mhz MMX, MS-DOS 6.22
Video card: STB Virge GX 385 4MB
UniVBE: S3VBE318
Tested by: ahyeadude

OVERALL COMPATIBILITY RATING: 11/14 (good)

  Application          P   F   CP  Notes
,-----------------------------------------------------------------------------.
| Ambience | | | X | |
| Luminati | | | X | |
| Timeless (56Hz) | X | | | |
| Timeless (60Hz) | X | | | |
| Dowhackado | X | | | |
| Kukoo2 | X | | | |
| Copper | | X | | |
| Sunflower | X | | | |
| Yo | X | | | |
| Impulse Tracker | X | | | |
| CubicPlayer 132x43 | | | X | Scaling sucks |
| Tweak 256x256 | X | | | |
| Tweak 360x480 | X | | | |
| Tweak 376x564 | | | X | |
| PAL-on-VGA | | X | | |
| NTSC-on-VGA | | X | | |
|-----------------------------------------------------------------------------|
| Other notes: |
| |
| |
`-----------------------------------------------------------------------------'

I've had this monitor since 2004. It is a great DOS gaming monitor with no frameskipping (TN display). It has some quirks, but overall a good option.

Reply 38 of 53, by ahyeadude

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Monitor: AGN SC-19AH
Native res: 1280x1024
Scaling: Interpolation (so much smear)
Aspect rto: 5:4
Machine: Pentium 233mhz MMX, MS-DOS 6.22
Video card: STB Virge GX 385 4MB
UniVBE: S3VBE318
Tested by: ahyeadude

OVERALL COMPATIBILITY RATING: 11/14

  Application          P   F   CP  Notes
,-----------------------------------------------------------------------------.
| Ambience | | X | | |
| Luminati | | X | | |
| Timeless (56Hz) | X | | | |
| Timeless (60Hz) | X | | | |
| Dowhackado | X | | | |
| Kukoo2 | X | | | |
| Copper | X | | | |
| Sunflower | X | | | |
| Yo | X | | | |
| Impulse Tracker | X | | | |
| CubicPlayer 132x43 | X | | | |
| Tweak 256x256 | | | X | |
| Tweak 360x480 | X | | | |
| Tweak 376x564 | | | X | |
| PAL-on-VGA | | X | | |
| NTSC-on-VGA | | X | | |
|-----------------------------------------------------------------------------|
| Other notes: |
| |
| |
`-----------------------------------------------------------------------------'

Okay, so after seeing the post on the AGN PRO 19" at the beginning of this thread, I looked around for one and found that they are no longer manufactured. Apparently the SC-19AH is its successor (also now EOL). I am not sure how much this monitor shares with its older brother, but I am guessing corners were cut. Yes it does the Copper wobble, and it switches modes amazingly fast, but it is still a terrible monitor. The interpolation is like viewing through a bad set of glasses. It also frameskips above 60hz!!! Frameskipping is a deal killer for me since every dos mode is 70 to 75hz. It's getting sent back.

The search for the perfect DOS LCD monitor continues. I am thinking maybe a Samsung 204B or 214T might be a sweet spot.

Reply 39 of 53, by wbc

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I'm using a weird combo of NT68676-based LVDS controller board (featuring VGA, DVI and HDMI with audio inputs) and a couple of spare LCD panels as my second monitor, so I decided to test this one through the suite.

So, I plugged a Samsung LTM220M1 LCD panel (22" 1680x1050 TN), then flashed the controller with appropriate firmware from this archive recieved from board' seller (there are older firmwares from 2011 floating around on the internet, you can google them by yourself, albeit they're worse in terms of features 😉)

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that's pretty hardcore assembly though 🤣

Monitor:    NT68676 LVDS controller + Samsung LTM220M1 LCD panel, firmware V 2.20 
Native res: 1680x1050
Scaling: interpolated
Aspect rto: 16:10 or 4:3
Machine: P200MMX/ASUS TXP4/i430TX/128MB/Vibra16/40GB+SD-IDE/Win98SE+DOS7.1
Video card: S3 Trio3D/2X 4MB PCI, BIOS 2.0C.10 w/ BLANK pedestal fix
UniVBE: no
Tested by: wbcbz7

OVERALL COMPATIBILITY RATING:
10/14 - pertty solid for 75Hz or less resolutions, albeit compatibility
is very dependent on LCD panel and image scaling is terrible

Application P F CP Notes
,-----------------------------------------------------------------------------.
| Ambience | | X | | out of range |
| Luminati | | X | | out of range |
| Timeless (56Hz) | X | | | 640x500 @ 55.9 Hz, shifted down a bit |
| Timeless (60Hz) | X | | | 640x480 @ 59.9 Hz |
| Dowhackado | X | | | 640x500 @ 54.8 Hz, cropped a bit |
| Kukoo2 | | X | | controller or panel crash, see note 1 |
| Copper | | | X | no wobble |
| Sunflower | X | | | vertical stripes |
| Yo | X | | | |
| Impulse Tracker | X | | | |
| CubicPlayer 132x43 | | | X | ugly scaling |
| Tweak 256x256 | X | | | 640x500 @ 57.8 Hz, bottom 12 lines missing |
| Tweak 360x480 | X | | | 640x480 @ 59.7 Hz, imperfect scaling |
| Tweak 376x564 | X | | | 720x576 @ 50.1 Hz, imperfect scaling |
| PAL-on-VGA | | X | | |
| NTSC-on-VGA | | X | | |
|-----------------------------------------------------------------------------|
| Other notes: |
| |
| NAID'95 Report | X | | | 800x600 @ 56.3 Hz, some little horizontal |
| | | | | color banding |
| Xtal | X | | | 720x576 @ 49.7 Hz |
| 640x350 mode (POST)| | | X | goddamn ugly ang jammed pixels |
| |
| *1 - shows either slowly growing white spills of pixels (with inversion |
| checkerboard pattern) or a bunch of freezed white pixels slowly |
| clearing from the top of screen; looks like LCD panel timing issues |
| since AFAIK that controller actually works in Kukoo2 with other panel |
| (M236H1-L01, which is 23,6" 1920x1080) |
| |
`-----------------------------------------------------------------------------'

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DoWhackaDo showing perfect scaling (well and that S3ish yellow bar also 😀)

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Sunflower' fakemode with minor vertical stripes caused by crappy scaling algorithm

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Xtal' 50hz mode

Speaking of picture quality, it is pretty crisp in 640x480, 720x400 textmode and even 320x200 (by the way, this panel had exactly the same aspect ratio as 320x200 have, though many games are expecting it to be stretched to 4:3, and for that (and others) case you can swith the aspect to 4:3 or back to native panel ratio). However, when it comes to 132x25 textmodes, 360x480, 640x350 POST screens, the scaling algorithm miss pixels, resulting in ugly and jammed fonts, abrupt lines, etc.

As expected, Copper' wobble blacks out screen, Ambience/Luminaty showing "out of range", but when it comes for Kukoo2, it displays nothing more than this:
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which looks like LCD panel freezing (due to incompatible timings or whatever), so it can't generate proper timings for display output and liquid crystals are going nuts (yes, this state can potentially hurt your monitor, as luquid crystals must've been driven by AC voltage with half of vertical frame rate frequency); I remember Kukoo 2 running just fine using the same controller but with M236H1-L01 panel (23.6" FullHD, also TN). Using other graphics cards in that case gives no results, panel still freezes and doesn't show anything sensible.

On the other head, almost all of Tweak bundled modes are working correctly, except for 400x300 (while 400x600 works but a bit messed up, I guess it's the videocard issue)
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(also as you can see i haven't loaded S3VBEFIX just to show you how incorrect FIFO setting left by BIOS affecting 360-wide modes 😀)

Overall, this controller is pretty solid in most modes, and also suitable for second\third "just-connect-that-PC-so-I-can-check-it" monitor. It does display 70 and 75Hz modes without frame skipping, by the way; this also applies to 1680x1050 @ 75hz (and i've used it with M236H1-L01 at 1920x1080 @ 75Hz via DVI and HDMI and haven't notices any issues or image degradation or frameskips, you just need to use CRU and edit the firmware to replace original EDID with 75hz patched one)

--wbcbz7