OK i found this as a possible NIC:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/252053876083?_trksi … K%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
(Intel Pro 100s)
Seems to get good reviews. Would this work ok under Win 98 with a pentium?
wrote:OK i found this as a possible NIC: […]
OK i found this as a possible NIC:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/252053876083?_trksi … K%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
(Intel Pro 100s)
Seems to get good reviews. Would this work ok under Win 98 with a pentium?
Win 98 yes. I dunno about with a pentium. If it will handle it they are good but I used on P3-up.
http://www.intel.com/content/dam/doc/product- … r-datasheet.pdf
W98 Driver
https://downloadcenter.intel.com/download/423 … ers-PRO98M-EXE-
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I can recommend this model. D-Link DFE-530TX - Works in W3.11 through XP and probably up.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/D-Link-DFE-530TX-DL … sid=p5731.m3795
I used to buy these in 10 packs before I went to a Gbit LAN. IOW, used a lot of them.
ftp://ftp2.dlink.com/PRODUCTS/DFE-530TX/REVA/ … EET_1.00_EN.PDF
http://support.dlink.com/ProductInfo.aspx?m=DFE-530TX+
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Ah yes that D-link DFE-530TX looks like a win:
ftp://ftp.dlinkla.com/pub/DFE-530TX/DFE-530TX … .00%28WW%29.pdf
Seems to be OS and cpu compatible. Looks like it will work with my shuttle hot-569a motherboard as well! 🤣
Any RTL8139 card will work with everything back to the stone age and costs less than a bad bowl of borscht. 3Com and Intel 10/100 cards are also common and very compatible, sometimes with PXE boot roms into the bargain. D-Link tends to relabel off the shelf chips as their own and pretend they're awesome rather than deliver actual value to the customer (IMHO).
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wrote:Any RTL8139 card will work with everything back to the stone age and costs less than a bad bowl of borscht. 3Com and Intel 10/100 cards are also common and very compatible, sometimes with PXE boot roms into the bargain. D-Link tends to relabel off the shelf chips as their own and pretend they're awesome rather than deliver actual value to the customer (IMHO).
All I know is the D-link DFE-530TX was inexpensive even back in the day.
They just worked and never gave me any problems. I still keep a few around.
Been around forever plus they are still sold new. Newegg has them for a bit under $10.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?It … N82E16833127102
They do have boot-rom sockets but finding the chip is rough.
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I've lost hair trying to get some 3Com add-in cards setup due to poor documentation.
I did like their PCMCIA offerings in older laptops though.
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I've used many of both Intel pro/100 and pro/1000.
Intel drivers can be really fat so I'm leery of recommending them for a Pentium.
If you can find the bare driver package that would probably work fine but Intel's site is not so user friendly as it used to be.
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RTL8139 -is- an off the shelf chip.
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I don't like beets so borscht is out.
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Borscht comes in many forms...
http://allrecipes.com/recipe/110505/summa-borscht/
RTL8139 is indeed an off the shelf ASIC, but it's ubiquitous from most vendors of entry level network equipment. It's also sufficiently integrated that there are few avenues to compromise reliability by cutting down the BOM.
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wrote:Borscht comes in many forms...
http://allrecipes.com/recipe/110505/summa-borscht/
When I want red soup I'll go with tomato.
The wife likes beets and would probably love borscht - which is why I don't tell her what it is.
wrote:RTL8139 is indeed an off the shelf ASIC, but it's ubiquitous from most vendors of entry level network equipment. It's also sufficiently integrated that there are few avenues to compromise reliability by cutting down the BOM.
I have never had reliability issues with that particular card, and I've used a lot of them over many years.
Been around forever (15+ years?) plus they are still sold new. Doesn't happen with a crap product.
Newegg currently lists them brand new for a bit under $10.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?It … N82E16833127102
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Not saying the cards you suggested are bad because they aren't.
I'm saying I know by experience with it that this particular D-Link card is good.
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I have found this to be a reliable NIC for 98.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00023433U?p … ailpage_o01_s00
I have used it to connect two of my 98 rigs directly to a second wireless router out in my workshop. Worked fine, but 98's TCP/IP stack is REALLY slow. No amount of optimizing it can bring it up to any modern standard. So if you are going wired or wifi over 98, don't expect to move large amounts of data with any decent speed. Several gigs will be several hours at best. Faster to sneaker net with burned disc or USB 2 and older non SDHC flash cards. About the only thing I've found useful of networking vintage rigs is for finding and playing vintage online games. Other than that, its just to slow for any useful networking. Just my two cents.
wrote:hhhmmm just had a look at it.... got a feeling it would require greater than a Pentium and would use PCI 2. (I'm guessing i have an older version)
Sorry for the late reply but I can confirm using it with success on an Intel TX chipset socket 7 motherboard under 2k pro with a Pentium 100. (dont ask why, it was a very short lived and odd setup)
Main pc: Asus ROG 17. R9 5900HX, RTX 3070m, 16gb ddr4 3200, 1tb NVME.
Retro PC: Soyo P4S Dragon, 3gb ddr 266, 120gb Maxtor, Geforce Fx 5950 Ultra, SB Live! 5.1
wrote:No amount of optimizing it can bring it up to any modern standard. So if you are going wired or wifi over 98, don't expect to move large amounts of data with any decent speed. Several gigs will be several hours at best.
IMHO it is just easier to dualboot Windows NT/2K and use that whenever you need to move large amounts of data. It will be faster to reboot, transfer and then reboot back into Windows 98. For small amounts of data staying in 98 is fast enough. Also, in my experience, even NT 3.51 connects to Windows 10 folder shares just fine out of the box.
EDIT: But ALWAYS use TCPOptimizer. This is the difference between ungodly slow and almost passable networking.
Dual boot is good.
When I was using W98 regularly I had a mobile rack in each machine reserved for a data transfer drive.
I would copy to the drive then physically move the drive to the other machine.
Still required a reboot because W98 doesn't hot-swap.
Alternately I had 2 parallel port based external hard drives (predated USB) which worked well on 286's and up.
Newer OS's would bitch about 16-bit drivers but it still worked. IIRC up to XP.
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Oh yes, this is strictly for online gaming only (Quake, etc). And maybe just to download he odd small driver for it. Web browsing is not the plan! 😉
I second the D-Link DFE-530TX+ motion. I have been using them continuously for over 15 years now in Windows 98 machines and have never had a failure or any issues.
A retail DFE-530TX+ boxed card I have (UPC: 790069220333, Copyright 2001) indicates the following System Requirements:
Pentium 150 MHz
32MB RAM
One PCI bus mastering slot
OK Just an update here guys. I decided to pull the trigger and i bought both the D-Link DFE-530TX AND that Netgear universal wireless thingy. I managed to find a UK one after i searched the model number and got better results and managed to snag one for £25
What I do for my retro pc is I have the NIC plugged into a Linksys WGA54G. It gives amazing Wireless G, more than acceptable for old online games optimized for 56k modems.
Taking a little longer due to PCI NIC getting lost in the post! Will post updates when i make progress! 😀
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OK guys. It seems as though that either the replacement NIC also got lost in the post, or the ebay seller is fobbing me off a bit.
In the meantime, i went to my local charity shop and managed to find this card:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Belkin-F5D5000-Desk … bQAAOSw3KFWeXOt
I bought it with a voucher so it didnt cost me anything. But can anyone confirm whether this will work in my system (it looks good to me). If so then can anyone point to a reliable place where i can get the drivers for it 😉
The box states DOS and Windows 3.11 support, so it will probably work. Anyway, Belkin put a sticker on top of the main chip. If you peel it off you'll find what they used and, since this appears to be a cheap card, will most likely be something Realtek. Realtek's site has all the drivers you'll need.
According to the driver inf it is RTL8139.
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OK will have a check for drivers later then
