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First post, by keenerb

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I am hoping this can be used in a standard 16-bit ISA passive backplane.

Anyone know where I might dig up some documentation on it? It's a Texas Micro CXD4/33, part number 92-005075.

I'm hoping that one of the white connectors will end up being just a standard AT-compatible keyboard input...

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Reply 1 of 27, by BloodyCactus

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that will work fine in a passive isa backplane. just get a vga card and your all set. looks like floppy/hd connectors on top. youd just need to figure out the jumpers.

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Reply 2 of 27, by keenerb

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BloodyCactus wrote:

that will work fine in a passive isa backplane. just get a vga card and your all set. looks like floppy/hd connectors on top. youd just need to figure out the jumpers.

Still have to figure out the keyboard connector though...

Reply 3 of 27, by BloodyCactus

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a _LOT_ of passive industrial isa backplane had the at keyboard connector on it already.

eg: S0BeQ0h.jpg

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Reply 4 of 27, by keenerb

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BloodyCactus wrote:
a _LOT_ of passive industrial isa backplane had the at keyboard connector on it already. […]
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a _LOT_ of passive industrial isa backplane had the at keyboard connector on it already.

eg: S0BeQ0h.jpg

Well that is mighty interesting. I'll have to check to see if any of my backplanes had a keyboard connector, but it looks like that connector isn't integrated into the circuitry; it's taking +5v from the power supply and the rest is possibly connected to the SBC via a cable, which is what I'm hoping is the case with that 486 I bought.

Reply 5 of 27, by BloodyCactus

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hmm true. i bet one of the 4 pin connectors on the sbc is it.

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Reply 6 of 27, by keenerb

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I did find this:

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There's a keyed five-pin connector here that has what appears to be power (red wire) and three data lines; that could be for clock/data/ground. I can probably determine which is power and which is ground easily enough. Not sure how to check clock and data though.

Reply 8 of 27, by BloodyCactus

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isnt that a 4 pin connector above the cpu?

as for the connectors, you mean the red things? I dont think it matters. the pcb has white molex with locking ramp/locking shoulder. you can just use plain old molex kk headers for the same pitch.

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Reply 9 of 27, by RacoonRider

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It's kind of a beauty! What's the empty socket for? Weitek FPU? i960?

If I were you, I would probably try and use EC type connectors and a flat cable to connect this cool thingy to a video card and a sound card, hang the whole system on the wall and use as a conversation piece as well as a nice retro machine!

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Reply 10 of 27, by keenerb

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Got the card today. It's missing a contact from the first dimm slot:

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My only 30 pin DIMM doesn't work in any slot, but it's also a 3 chip DIMM. I've found and purchased a lot of 30 pin dimms off of ebay.

Was it common for 486-era boards to require 4 dimms to be installed or for pairs of DIMMs to be installed?

Since both pin 1 and pin 30 are +5vdc, is it absolutely mandatory that both be available?

Reply 11 of 27, by sunaiac

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Yes it's very common for the 486 to require 4 30 pins ram sticks to work 😀

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Reply 12 of 27, by keenerb

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sunaiac wrote:

Yes it's very common for the 486 to require 4 30 pins ram sticks to work 😀

That's what I thought. Hopefully I can piece together a working set from the ram I have coming in.

Reply 14 of 27, by h-a-l-9000

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Damaged SIMM: The pins on the outer side are redundant (5V) - it may work despite the pin missing.
For the keyboard: There should be a 74*07 logic chip near the connectors. The connector in question will lead there. These are the two data lines. 5V and GND will be easy to find.

1+1=10

Reply 15 of 27, by BloodyCactus

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my 486 SBC works fine with just a pair 30pin simm sticks, you dont necessarily need 4 sticks.

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Reply 17 of 27, by BloodyCactus

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considering mine is IntelDX4WB, Id' say no, its not the SLC variant, and it works perfectly fine with 2 banks.

bank requirements are driven by the chipset, not the cpu. Mine is a VIA VT82C496G.

Reading the datashseet for the OP's opti 82c392 (the southbridge), it says

* up to 64mb max dram
* 256 or 512kb cache ram required to cache the full 64mb
* supports 4 banks of ram (which is interesting since OP has 8!)

chipset details graphs supprting 1 bank, 2 banks, 3 and 4 bank configurations. theoretically you can run 1 stick of ram according to the datasheet.

I couldnt find anything on the northbridge chip (495) datasheet wise.

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Reply 18 of 27, by h-a-l-9000

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You are mistaking 'bank' with 'stick of RAM'. A bank is usually the width of the CPU bus -> 1 stick [30-pin SIMM] on 8088, 2 sticks on 286, 386SX, 4 sticks on a 32-bit 386/486. Or 1 stick of 72-pin SIMM for the latter. 8 30-pin SIMMS populated on a 386DX/486 will be two banks.

Theoretically it would be possible to split up the transfer to a more narrow bus, but this halves or quarters [or worse] the memory throughput. Of course you can say a snail runs fine though...

1+1=10

Reply 19 of 27, by BloodyCactus

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thanks. op's board should happily run then on two sticks of ram.

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