A Celeron 450 is faster than a P4 3.4?!?!
Absolutely no way, what.
E: Read that as 450mhz and I'm dumb >.> Leaving this here so you can laugh at my dumb.

Lol I should have posted its speed and not just model number.

I misspoke, it's a hair slower than a P4 3.4 and a little faster than a 3.2

Single threaded performance from PassMark

Pentium 4 3.2: 694
Celeron 450: 731
Pentium 4 3.4: 736

Honestly that is plenty fast for me. Remember this motherboard can go much, much faster if needed.

I didn't click your link and made dumb assumptions.
DDR should've tipped me off.

Looks like that Celeron is more of less half a Core2Duo, pretty fast.
I've been running a 1.8 P4 Northwood alongside a GF4 ti 4200 and the obligatory vortex 2 and have yet to hit its limit. Probably just running the wrong games. 😵

The Aureal software wavetable sounds surprisingly good, waveblaster modules also work in proper DOS though.

Any reason why you went for a 775 platform?

Good point Nopileus!

For me, I use Windows 98 mostly for Aureal A3D games 😀

Your P4 should run any Windows 98 era game. Often I see people run and benchmark games on their Windows 98 machines, that are fully supported under Windows XP anyway.

I went for 775 for a few reasons.

#1 It's still available brand new
#2 it's not collectible
#3 it's plenty fast with no overclocking or tricks
#4 it's a 35 Watt TDP CPU so it's not a room heater
#5 since it's still available brand new and not collectible if it fries my feeling aren't hurt

I am stocking up for other spare parts

I blame you for getting me into all this to begin with Phil,
otherwise i wouldn't have known how criminally cheap this 478 era stuff is. The Dreamblaster S1 is on you too 😀

Late 2000 is about the furthest i've gone in terms of games for now, Starlancer and NOLF being notable. Still plenty of room to go further.

Actually the TDP argument is a pretty good point, i chose the 1.8 Northwood specifically because the 2.8E Prescott that came with my motherboard was just way too hot.

That's awesome 😊

I'd love to buy that board. With Newegg Australia I'm looking at A$110 shipped, which is fair enough, but not a bargain either.

The power draw is a good argument. The 478 Northwood chips aren't too bad, but they are by no means energy efficient processors.

Wow Phil. That's almost double what I paid, taking exchange rate into account. Maybe you could get lucky and find one locally.

squareguy wrote:

Wow Phil. That's almost double what I paid, taking exchange rate into account. Maybe you could get lucky and find one locally.

Yes, but like you, I'd love to have this board NIB 😀

SRQ wrote:

A Celeron 450 is faster than a P4 3.4?!?!
Absolutely no way, what.
E: Read that as 450mhz and I'm dumb >.> Leaving this here so you can laugh at my dumb.

Nelson from the Simpsons going "ha ha"

PhilsComputerLab wrote:

That's awesome 😊

I'd love to buy that board. With Newegg Australia I'm looking at A$110 shipped, which is fair enough, but not a bargain either.

The power draw is a good argument. The 478 Northwood chips aren't too bad, but they are by no means energy efficient processors.

Play with some P4 mobiles as they work in normal 478 boards, the mobiles have two multiplier states but that requires a single from the chipset for the high state so on normal boards they only default to the low state (1.2ghz or 12x100) so they only sip power. They are good for high clocking boards 😉

The common P4 mobiles only pull 35 to 45w at their high state but on the low it is a lot less so have fun.

Interesting, didn't know that!

Interesting idea: What's the lowest wattage processor that works with DOS and 98SE stuff and is equivalent to a baseline of, say, a PIII 900?

Well the P III is faster, clock for clock, compared to the P4. But the P4 starts, I think, at 1.4 GHz, so that chip should do the trick 😀

SRQ wrote:

Interesting idea: What's the lowest wattage processor that works with DOS and 98SE stuff and is equivalent to a baseline of, say, a PIII 900?

Interesting Question. Obviously in order to support 16bit code it must be a 32bit processor. Maybe a Pentium M, or Athlon-XP mobile? Perhaps one of the last Intel Atom's before they moved to 64bit. Not sure how one of those Atoms would compare to a Pentium3.

I remember there being some desktop boards supporting core solo and core duo processors, those might take the cake if an atom isn't fast enough.

But would they still run well with 98? I'm not counting it if there's serious compat errors or DOS mode is unusable.
My basic idea is could one create a passive-cooled super low watt 9X machine?

^How about underclocked Celeron 4x0?