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First post, by Ampera

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I am making this thread as a place for me, and anyone else to post information on companies that do not exist, or barely exist today, but had a hayday at some point.

Feel free to make a reply with information you have gathered on a company posted here, or one you wish to add and I will go through them.

To be totally clear, this is for companies not normally found on Wikipedia or other common sources, and that take digging, rather through places like the Internet Archive or though real, physical archives by those who have access to them.

Here is my preliminary list of a few old companies I happen to have both products from, and an interest in.

DataExpert:
Main Website (Internet Archive) http://web.archive.org/web/19970201080146/htt … aexpert.com.tw/ for the earliest archived instance
http://web.archive.org/web/20020719104827/htt … aexpert.com.tw/ for the latest archived instance.

I have no clue if they died after 2002, it's entirely possible, but I have no official information to go on.

DataExpert seems to be the company name of an electronics company along the lines of ASUS or MSI today.

They seem to be based in Taiwan, but with multiple offices,
Main Taiwan Office:
DataExPert Corporation
5/F.NO 75,Hsin Tai Wu rd,Sec.1,
Hsi-Chih, Taipei Hsien, Taiwan,R.O.C.
Tel:886-2-6981719 Fax:886-2-6981747
Tlx:33321DATA
(Can't find it on a map, maybe someone can.
USA/NA Office:
1156 Sonora Court,
Sunnyvale CA 94086, U.S.A.
Tel:1-408-737-8880
Fax:1-408-737-8390
(Google Maps: https://goo.gl/WsQwIb)
DataExpert Netherlands:
Breguetiaan 1,1438 BA
Oude Meer, The Netherlands
Tel:31-20-653-2243
Fax:31-20-653-2265
(Google Maps: https://goo.gl/M9PX4P)
DataExpert Hong Kong:
Flat B1,2F.,Cheung Fat Bldg.
7-9 Hill Road, Hong Kong
Tel:852-2858-0399
Fax:852-2574-8104
(Google Maps: https://goo.gl/X9fQOe)

I have not tried calling any of these numbers (And I suggest you don't either, it's never a good idea to just go calling random numbers) so I have no clue if they are in service.
All this information is up to date as of 1997 [5]

From what I can tell they sold the following products under these brand names:
Motherboards under ExpertBoard, GLOBAL, and ExpertColor [1]
Graphics Cards under ExpertColor [2]
Sound Cards under ExpertColor [3]
Modem/Fax Cards under ExpertColor [4]
Chipsets (Or at least the branding for them) under ExpertChip [6]

Cited sources:
[1] ExpertBoard can be found on many motherboards, but it can be found in the page title (Text in your browser tab) here:
http://web.archive.org/web/19970625215845/htt … 661/exp8661.htm
GLOBAL can be found as a brand name here:
http://web.archive.org/web/19990428060640/htt … via/mvp7598.htm
and ExpertColor here:
http://web.archive.org/web/20000302221639/htt … exp/exp8j61.htm
[2] ExpertColor Graphics Cards:
http://web.archive.org/web/19980611011706/htt … rio/dsv5366.htm
[3] ExpertColor Sound Cards:
http://web.archive.org/web/20000303033724/htt … med/med6724.htm
[4] ExpertColor Fax/Modem Card:
http://web.archive.org/web/20000309165434/htt … mdm/mdm2882.htm
[5] http://web.archive.org/web/19970625215845/htt … 661/exp8661.htm bottom of the page
[6] Ebay listing for EXP-4045 has ExpertChip chipset. https://goo.gl/IaPBwW

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DTC/Data Technologies Corporation

Official Company Overview from DTC [1]

DTC Data Technology was founded in 1979 to design, develop, and market intelligent storage controllers used primarily in connection with IBM compatible personal computers. It is through these controllers that personal computers communicate with external devices such as disk drives, CD-ROMs, scanners, tape drives, video conferencing cameras, printers, and mice.
The constant introduction of higher-performance and more highly-functional peripherals characterizing this portion of the computer industry continues to provide customers and end-users with greater computing speed, flexibility, and ease of use. At the same time, developers of controller hardware and interface software must respond to these changes with frequent new product introductions, constant innovations, and adaptation to changing market requirements.

Since 1979, DTC Data Technology has actively participated in this fast-moving industry segment, developing, supporting, and marketing an evolving line of intelligent peripheral controllers that deliver performance, reliability, and ease of installation across a broad range of applications.

Website: http://web.archive.org/web/20010204235000/htt … technology.com/

DTC was a manufacturer of controller cards. like EIDE and SCSI as well as M/I/O cards.

The last known archive I can find of DTC is possibly from 2003 [2]. and they are proven defunct as late as 2005, as their website ceased to exist at that point. [3]

They have had two known headquarters, their first on[4]

1515 Centre Pointe Drive Milpitas, Ca. 95035
https://goo.gl/S8pve6

And their moved/second HQ on[5]
1222 Alderwood Ave
Sunnyvale, CA 94089
https://goo.gl/NQvzAT

And they had an office in Hong Kong,[4]
Star Centre
443-451 Castle Peak Rd
Kwai Chung
Hong Kong
https://goo.gl/90vy3y

They have had the following phone numbers.
Pre-move [4]
Main (408) 942-4000
Fax (408) 942-4027
Technical Support (408) 262-7700
RMA (408) 942-4045
BBS (408) 942-4010
Fax Back (408) 942-4005
Post-Move [5]
Phone: (408) 745-9320
Fax: (408) 745-9316

Please do not call any of these phone numbers in respect to their possible current owners, and/or as precaution to yourself. Spam calling is not fun, either way.

[1] - http://web.archive.org/web/20010331123249/htt … out/index.shtml
[2] - http://web.archive.org/web/20030927160620/htt … technology.com/
[3] - http://web.archive.org/web/20050308095546/htt … technology.com/
[4] - http://web.archive.org/web/19970503155546/htt … dtc/nofram2.htm
[5] - http://web.archive.org/web/20010817132615/htt … ain/index.shtml

Additional reading:

This list has useful information for anybody with DTC products.
DTC jumper settings: Re: DTC DTC2278 (E?) controller card help/jumper settings

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Honorable Mentions:
These are links to other repositories that have information on companies requested here. It would be redundant for me to re-research everything, and I do not plagiarize.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rise_Technology

Post last updated 09:54 EST 1/10/2017

If I am missing any information, or my sources are incorrect, please place a reply. If you know of another company to add to the list, I will gladly put good information up.

I hope my list is of some interest to people. It's most likely not going to be of practical use, but I find it interesting to look through these forgotten companies, who worked for them, what they did, were they any good.
Feel free to use any information, credit me if you want, I just did some quick sprunging around (Futurama reference) and found some stuff. I will put credit to people who have worked to create sections in this post, if it gets too unwieldy I might make a quick Wikia for it.

Apologies if this has already been done too. I see no immediate mention of something like this, but sorry in advance.

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Reply 1 of 71, by brostenen

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This is not much.... Just a 2 hour film, made by one of the most carismatic develloper of all time.
Such a cool guy. Musician, photographer and hardware plus software develloper.
Yes. He is the (nearly) one single man, responsible for develloping the Amiga 2000.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BaTjwo1ywcI

Don't eat stuff off a 15 year old never cleaned cpu cooler.
Those cakes make you sick....

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Reply 2 of 71, by Scali

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Yup, the younger generations have no idea about the company Commodore, which once brought us the revolutionary Amiga, and before that ruled the world with the C64, the best-sold computer ever.
Even IBM may be going that route, since they sold their computer department to Lenovo. It's no longer a household name.
Atari, who remembers them?

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Reply 3 of 71, by Ampera

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Scali wrote:

Yup, the younger generations have no idea about the company Commodore, which once brought us the revolutionary Amiga, and before that ruled the world with the C64, the best-sold computer ever.
Even IBM may be going that route, since they sold their computer department to Lenovo. It's no longer a household name.
Atari, who remembers them?

I'm not talking about Commodore. I have a C64 in my house, and probably everybody does somewhere in the attic or cellar. I am talking out of the hundreds, if not thousands of different manufacturers, companies like DataExpert who may have only existed for a decade or so, leaving no legacy. Commodore left a legacy. They revolutionized and helped bring computing to the masses. Without Commodore the world may very well be a different, stupider place.

This is dedicated to the smaller, forgotten companies. Companies that are REALLY forgotten. Companies where if you have a thousand people, you would be very very lucky to get one person that knows about that company.

And most importantly, I find 0 mention of DataExpert of Wikipedia, there is no collected information resource for this company, which could be useful or interesting to some people.

Reply 4 of 71, by brostenen

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Scali wrote:

Yup, the younger generations have no idea about the company Commodore, which once brought us the revolutionary Amiga, and before that ruled the world with the C64, the best-sold computer ever.
Even IBM may be going that route, since they sold their computer department to Lenovo. It's no longer a household name.
Atari, who remembers them?

Back then. Apple was nothing. They stood in the shadow of Commodore wich invented new technologies.
Dale Luck and Dave Haynie have said on numerous occations, that what they did, was to do things that
were not done yet for allmost every new machine. Yes. There were at least one to two new inventions
in each new machine. Today it is just recycled idea's and technologies.

Don't eat stuff off a 15 year old never cleaned cpu cooler.
Those cakes make you sick....

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Reply 5 of 71, by brostenen

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Ampera wrote:

This is dedicated to the smaller, forgotten companies. Companies that are REALLY forgotten. Companies where if you have a thousand people, you would be very very lucky to get one person that knows about that company.

Commodore is/was such a company.

Don't eat stuff off a 15 year old never cleaned cpu cooler.
Those cakes make you sick....

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Reply 6 of 71, by Brickpad

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What about Vendex? About 20 years ago I was given a Headstart II system that came with dual 1.2MB 5.25" drives, Intel 8088, and no hard drive. It was a nice system, but I think even by 1996 Vendex was already long forgotten.

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Computer Devices Inc. (CDI)
- Burlington, Massachusetts.
I had one of their DOT portable systems that came with a built-in thermal printer, dual 720KB 3.5" drives, a 9" widescreen with 1050x??? resolution.
http://www.old-computers.com/museum/computer.asp?c=116&st=1
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Reply 7 of 71, by Scali

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Yea... funny thing is, we have a department store called V&D here, and they had 'Vendex' as their store brand. See this for example:
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When the Vendex machines started to appear on the market, I thought they were their brand as well (not sure if they were sold via V&D themselves, but they were sold via Dixons, which was part of the V&D group here). But recently I found out that it was an international brand, and had nothing to do with the Vendex we know over here 😀

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Reply 8 of 71, by TheMobRules

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Ampera wrote:
DataExpert: Main Website (Internet Archive) http://web.archive.org/web/199702010801 ... rt.com.tw/ for the earliest archived ins […]
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DataExpert:
Main Website (Internet Archive) http://web.archive.org/web/199702010801 ... rt.com.tw/ for the earliest archived instance
http://web.archive.org/web/200207191048 ... rt.com.tw/ for the latest archived instance.

I have no clue if they died after 2002, it's entirely possible, but I have no official information to go on.

DataExpert seems to be the company name of an electronics company along the lines of ASUS or MSI today.

I have an Unichip-based 486 motherboard made by DataExpert: UNI-486WB. It's generic as hell (as were many things of that time), no branding in the motherboard or manual. However the BIOS ID string indicates it was manufactured by DataExpert (1107).

In any case, its performance kind of sucks compared to the other VLB boards I have.

Reply 9 of 71, by clueless1

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One that comes to mind:
Genoa Systems

Coincidentally, on a summer visit to my parents house, I found a Genoa VLB graphics card in my old room (I kind of remember buying it), then months later, a Genoa Systems 486 mainboard on Ebay that I bought for $39, including the DX2-66 cpu and 4MB 30-pin memory. It was in nearly mint condition and I run it today as one of two retro PCs I use regularly.

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Reply 10 of 71, by NJRoadfan

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Quite a few of DataExpert's boards were also sold under the "Gemlight" brand, which may or may not have been somewhat related to another forgotten computer manufacturer, DTK.

Reply 11 of 71, by Tetrium

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Prairytech? These used to make (laptop) harddrives.

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Reply 12 of 71, by mockingbird

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Does anyone remember Delta Computer? They used to make black-ish/grey computers... Pretty unique for the time. The computers were called Delta Gold.

One day they disappeared.

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Reply 13 of 71, by clueless1

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Cardiff Electric. 😀

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OPL3 FM vs. Roland MT-32 vs. General MIDI DOS Game Comparison
Let's benchmark our systems with cache disabled
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Reply 14 of 71, by QBiN

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One I'm fond of is "Ocean Information Systems" also known as Octek.

They sold PC systems and individual components for many years in the gold years of the PC market. I think they are relegated to either niche industrial status now, if not entirely defunct.

I always thought they made great motherboards as well decent commodity VGA cards.

Reply 15 of 71, by stamasd

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QBiN wrote:

One I'm fond of is "Ocean Information Systems" also known as Octek.

They sold PC systems and individual components for many years in the gold years of the PC market. I think they are relegated to either niche industrial status now, if not entirely defunct.

I always thought they made great motherboards as well decent commodity VGA cards.

I remember Octek. I had an Octek Hippo DCA2 486 motherboard back in the day, complete with the "special sauce" RAM which they supposedly invented and nobody since has figured out what it was and how it worked. These days those modules are harder to find than an albino unicorn.

A defunct company whom I digged a lot of information about in the past year (even though it didn't register with me at all at the time they were still around) is QDI. Makers of motherboards from the 286-386 erat till about the early P4 era, after which they went under. These days it's pretty hard to get any info on their motherboards without some hardcore digging through the Internet Archive. Why have I done that? It turns out they are one of the few companies that perpetuated the SB-Link (AKA PC/PCI) into the P4 era, so you can get DOS sound support on Willamette and Northwood systems using QDI motherboards. I have to dig out all the info I have on them, and post it here. Most of it is already posted in my other threads about PC/PCI motherboards.

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Reply 16 of 71, by firage

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ATI Technologies. They never did or achieved anything. But only according to the nVidia chief's apparent recollection. 🤣

DataExpert/ExpertColor was a pretty decent sized cheaper brand of graphics cards, and even ATI/Nvidia based graphics cards, at least here in Europe until sometime around 2000-2005 IIRC. I'm probably mixing them with unrelated brands like CardExpert and PowerColor, etc. towards the end.

There's a million tech companies if your only standard is obscurity.

Media Vision is a pretty interesting one. They were an underdog with their ProAudio Spectrum sound card vs. Creative's Sound Blaster and various other media products in 1990-1995, and had they been better managed they might've become a titan with the 3dfx and Aureal engineers.

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Reply 17 of 71, by shiva2004

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The video card of my first PC was a PCI ExpertColor with an AdvanceLogic chipset and 1MB of ram, surprisingly fast sometimes but with color corruption in some video modes and a lot of general troubles.

Reply 18 of 71, by leileilol

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Cyrix 🙁

Their bringing down of the high priced x86 PC barrier is much appreciated but the company itself is much more forgotten especially since the VIA acquisition.

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