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First post, by petieken

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Hello everyone,
I've been lurking for a long time, but this is my first post.
I have a PVI-486SP3 rev 1.2 with two 16MB 60ns FPM sticks, 512KB cache, CF as hdd through Cf-IDE adapter, S3 Virge/GX with 4MB memory, SB Pro2 CT1600, Roland MPU-IPC-T and Gravis Ultrasound rev 3.4.

It's been working fine (except CTRL+ALT+DEL didn't work, nor software reboots) up until yesterday. I was going through my soundcard stack I've accumulated over the years and thought I'd try out the Creative CT-1920 AWE32 upgrade card (basically and AWE32 without the SB16 part).

So I plugged it in and booted up. The PnP bios recognized the card and everything else booted without problems. I put in the driver cd for this card (downloaded from vogonsdrivers) and followed installation procedure, it said to install the PnP manager first (CTCM), which I did.

Then stuff started to go wrong, I got an EMM386 error. So I reboot, the screen which shows hard drive, memory and cpu information was all garbled (weird characters and smiley faces). The system hung, so I pressed thr reset button again. Now it booted again, but the system hangs when config.sys loads CTCM. From this moment I noticed the keyboard is not responding anymore, because I wanted to reboot and pressed F5 to skip loading drivers.

I removed all cards from the system except the vga card, but keyboard is still not responding. I changed autoexec and config to REM everything by plugging the CF card into my other pc. It seems everything functions ok except the keyboard. I touched all IC's on the mainboard and noticed all are cool/warm except the AMIKEY-2 keyboard controller, which is hot. I can keep my finger on the chip for 5 secs max.
I removed the keyboard but the chip stays hot.

Is it possible the CT-1920 damaged the AMIKEY chip? Any ideas or tips?

*Asus PVI-486SP3 | Am5x86-133 | 32MB | Promise Ultra66 | 8GB CF | S3 Virge/GX 4MB | SB Pro2 | GUS Classic | Roland MPU-IPC-T
*Gigabyte GA-7S748 | 1GB | GeForce FX 5950 Ultra | Turtle Beach Santa Cruz
*Roland CM32L | Roland SC-55mkII | Yamaha FB-01

Reply 1 of 12, by Tetrium

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Welcome aboard! 😁

Alas my experience with an PVI-486SP3 was very very brief (something to do with some cap exploding 🤣!), but as you were switching parts around, perhaps you might have damaged something (ESD?). Have you tried basic troubleshooting?

There are plenty Vogoners who are knowledgeable about stuff like IRQs and such but I'm not one of them 😊

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Reply 2 of 12, by petieken

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At first my thought was also ESD damage, but at first everything worked OK. The problems arised when I installed CTCM and the software tried to initialize the hardware.

I have also tried the keyboard on another pc with an AT>PS/2 adapter, and it works fine, so it's not the keyboard.

Now I regret selling my pile of old defective motherboards some years ago. I could've scavenged a keyboard controller from one of those boards.... 😵

*Asus PVI-486SP3 | Am5x86-133 | 32MB | Promise Ultra66 | 8GB CF | S3 Virge/GX 4MB | SB Pro2 | GUS Classic | Roland MPU-IPC-T
*Gigabyte GA-7S748 | 1GB | GeForce FX 5950 Ultra | Turtle Beach Santa Cruz
*Roland CM32L | Roland SC-55mkII | Yamaha FB-01

Reply 3 of 12, by Skyscraper

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CTRL + Alt + Delete or other soft reset methods won't work with my Asus PVI-486SP3 either, lets see that as a "feature".

Replacing the keyboard controller and also looking for shorted/damaged components and or burnt traces close to the keyboard controller would seem logical.

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Older PC: K6-3+ 400@600MHz, PC-Chips M577, 256MB SDRAM, AWE64, Voodoo Banshee.

Reply 4 of 12, by petieken

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I already did a continuity test of the traces going from the AMIKEY chip to the AT and PS/2 mouse ports, no problems there.
I've started looking at ebay ads for motherboards containing the amikey chip.

I think the rest of the system is okay, as I change autoexec from my other pc to boot up Win3.11 or other software works fine. There is just no response from either keyboard or mouse.

*Asus PVI-486SP3 | Am5x86-133 | 32MB | Promise Ultra66 | 8GB CF | S3 Virge/GX 4MB | SB Pro2 | GUS Classic | Roland MPU-IPC-T
*Gigabyte GA-7S748 | 1GB | GeForce FX 5950 Ultra | Turtle Beach Santa Cruz
*Roland CM32L | Roland SC-55mkII | Yamaha FB-01

Reply 6 of 12, by TheMobRules

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Did you hotplug your keyboard or PS/2 mouse at any point? I have heard some cases of the keyboard controller being killed by plugging in a keyboard/mouse while the computer is on...

Reply 7 of 12, by petieken

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TheMobRules wrote:

Did you hotplug your keyboard or PS/2 mouse at any point? I have heard some cases of the keyboard controller being killed by plugging in a keyboard/mouse while the computer is on...

I might have in the past, I'm not sure. At least now I didn't hotplug it, it has been connected for months. I only removed the keyboard after the problem started. I noticed the AMIKEY is still partly functional, because it still detects whether the keyboard is present or missing in the BIOS (The BIOS halts when keyboard is missing during POST).

I'm still looking for the amikey chip, meanwhile I have already desoldered the defective one. Does anyone know if there are pin compatible alternatives available?

Today I have also tested the AWE32 CT1920 in another PC (IBM 330 - P75) and it detected via PnP and loaded the drivers without issues. I haven't tested audio output yet, I have to crimp some female header pins on an RCA cable because this card doesn't have a jack output.

*Asus PVI-486SP3 | Am5x86-133 | 32MB | Promise Ultra66 | 8GB CF | S3 Virge/GX 4MB | SB Pro2 | GUS Classic | Roland MPU-IPC-T
*Gigabyte GA-7S748 | 1GB | GeForce FX 5950 Ultra | Turtle Beach Santa Cruz
*Roland CM32L | Roland SC-55mkII | Yamaha FB-01

Reply 8 of 12, by petieken

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Just a quick update, I fixed it by replacing the AMIKEY-2 chip. Everything is working fine now, keyboard and mouse. 😁
Out of curiousity I tested the bad chip out of circuit by applying 5V and it's pulling 370mA!

*Asus PVI-486SP3 | Am5x86-133 | 32MB | Promise Ultra66 | 8GB CF | S3 Virge/GX 4MB | SB Pro2 | GUS Classic | Roland MPU-IPC-T
*Gigabyte GA-7S748 | 1GB | GeForce FX 5950 Ultra | Turtle Beach Santa Cruz
*Roland CM32L | Roland SC-55mkII | Yamaha FB-01

Reply 9 of 12, by jesolo

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Glad you got it working.
PS: There is a bug in BIOS revision 0307 beta in the sense that CTRL+ALT+DEL warm boot doesn't work.
The only thing that this BIOS revision addresses is the Y2K bug, but since were past 2000 already, just reflash with BIOS revision 0306.

Reply 10 of 12, by Skyscraper

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jesolo wrote:

Glad you got it working.
PS: There is a bug in BIOS revision 0307 beta in the sense that CTRL+ALT+DEL warm boot doesn't work.
The only thing that this BIOS revision addresses is the Y2K bug, but since were past 2000 already, just reflash with BIOS revision 0306.

My board would not accept ctrl + alt + delete with the 2.05 BIOS either but it was only with an AMD DX4 (write back version) while it worked fine with an Intel DX4 (also write back version).

Now when I have updated to the the 0307 BIOS ctrl + alt + delete is indeed not working with neither the Intel DX4 nor with the AMD 5x86 I have replaced it with but the issue only appears when memory managers are loaded it seems. Good tip about the 3.06 BIOS not having this issue. 3.06 was actually the BIOS I flashed when I hotflashed the new BIOS chip but when I realized there was a newer version I flashed it.

Last edited by Skyscraper on 2017-02-10, 21:06. Edited 2 times in total.

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Old PC: Dual Xeon X5690@4.6GHz, EVGA SR-2, 48GB DDR3R@2000MHz, Intel X25-M. GTX 980ti.
Older PC: K6-3+ 400@600MHz, PC-Chips M577, 256MB SDRAM, AWE64, Voodoo Banshee.

Reply 11 of 12, by petieken

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My BIOS is version 0306. Board revision 1.2. CPU is an AMD Am5x86 ADW, clocked at 133Mhz. RAM is 2 16MB FPM 60ns sticks.
Soft reboots still don't work, even when exiting the bios screen.

*Asus PVI-486SP3 | Am5x86-133 | 32MB | Promise Ultra66 | 8GB CF | S3 Virge/GX 4MB | SB Pro2 | GUS Classic | Roland MPU-IPC-T
*Gigabyte GA-7S748 | 1GB | GeForce FX 5950 Ultra | Turtle Beach Santa Cruz
*Roland CM32L | Roland SC-55mkII | Yamaha FB-01

Reply 12 of 12, by megatron-uk

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Hey folks, having similar problems with my PVI SP3. It's been turned off for a long time, probably 12 months or more. On re-assembling everything, I have now replaced the CMOS battery and reset the BIOS. I'm not getting any keyboard input at all.

The POST screen comes up with the "Keyboard error or keyboard not connected" error. Keyboard doesn't light up at all and no keys work - can't enter the BIOS or ctrl-alt-del the machine at all. Tried two keyboards, both known-working and neither work.

AMIKEY-2 chip feels cool and the board doesn't have any damage at all.

Any ideas? Or am I stuck with trying to replace the keyboard controller as my next diagnostic?

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