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First post, by appiah4

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I've recently acquired a fairly decent Acer Socket 7 system that came with a 166MMX processor and Win 98 installed. This setup is very close to a PC I already have (233MMX Win98SE) which mostly covers my late DOS gaming needs as well.

So I am thinking of keeping this PC but installing DOS on it. I currently am also working on a 486 build for a UMC 486SX33/40 PC, so I thought using a Pentium 75 on this PC could be nice as it's kind of a gap in my PC collection that could need filling (486 DOS, P75 DOS, P233 Win98SE). Yet, a part of me wants to keep it in its original configuration as much as I can (even though the CD-ROM and HDD will have to go regardless)

My questions at this point are:

1. Is there any practical reason to downgrade this PC to a P75?
2. Are there any games a P166MMX would be too fast but a P75 would be within margin?
3. Would a P75 build make a 486SX33/40 build redundant?

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Reply 2 of 9, by keropi

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since you have other systems as well speed issues are of no concern - so keep the 233mmx as-is. I use one as well for almost all my DOS needs , ICACHE does wonders to make it behave like a 386DX40 and 3D FPS games love 233mhz

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Reply 3 of 9, by gdjacobs

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GPA wrote:

You can always underclock your P166MMX to 75 MHz.

Nope. Minimum 2x multi and I've never seen a board capable of less than 50mhz fsb.

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Reply 4 of 9, by lazibayer

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gdjacobs wrote:
GPA wrote:

You can always underclock your P166MMX to 75 MHz.

Nope. Minimum 2x multi and I've never seen a board capable of less than 50mhz fsb.

Some early socket 5 boards can do 40MHz bus in order to accommodate 6x86-PR90.

Reply 5 of 9, by appiah4

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The lowest my board can go is 50Mhz: http://www.uktsupport.co.uk/acer/mb/acv55-2.htm

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Reply 6 of 9, by melbar

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GPA wrote:

You can always underclock your P166MMX to 75 MHz.

Yes, but with a P166MMX (P55C) you cannot get the same speed like a real P75 (P54C) which performs between P60 to P66.
A P55C @75MHz with the double cache of 16kb performs maybe >= P66.

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Reply 7 of 9, by gdjacobs

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But how are you going to get that kind of clock when the 1.5 multiplier is remapped to 3.5? Is there a trick I'm missing with my P55C/TX97?

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Reply 8 of 9, by appiah4

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gdjacobs wrote:

But how are you going to get that kind of clock when the 1.5 multiplier is remapped to 3.5? Is there a trick I'm missing with my P55C/TX97?

Exactly. The slowest this P166MMX can probably do is 2x50Mhz. Which is still respectably slow and not that far from replacing it physically with a P75 if push came to shove..

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Reply 9 of 9, by clueless1

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I would benchmark both P75 and P166MMX with caches disabled and enter into my database. 😀 Then you could see what performance levels each hit and make a decision based on that. Pick the one that gives you the most flexibility between your 233MMX and 486.

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