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First post, by Justin1091

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Hey guys,

For a few years this old 286 pc was collecting dust in my room because the clock capacitor had leaked onto the motherboard and destroyed the keyboard traces.

This month I decided to read about soldering and I succeeded in repairing my old Xbox which had the same leaking capacitor issue.

I thought to try repairing the 286 pc, carefully removing the DIN keyboard connector and inspecting the traces. I put some tin on a broken trace and installed a new DIN connector. I then installed the ISA videocard to test it. It worked! I was excited to see the pc responded to the keyboard.

Next was installing the floppy, ide, serial, parallel expansion card. A few years ago it worked but now I heard a slight hiss when powering the PC on with this card installed. I tried different slots until a capacitor exploded on this card. There is stuff written on the capacitor:

A- 10u 25

My question is: do you guys think the expansion card can be repaired by replacing this capacitor? Or is it more likely that someting else on the card is faulty and it'll just explode again? I also need some help understanding these things. The A I don't understand, 10u is resistance and 25 is voltage? It's a ceramic capacitor I think.

Second question: the PC's BIOS asks me to input Cylinder Head Sector for the drive and I think I can find that online, but it also asks for WPcom and LZone. Does anyone know anything about those two things? EDIT: it's a Kyocera 41 megabyte hard drive.

It'd be cool to have this thing up and running again, check to see what's on the hdd and maybe play some games!

The pc is an Octek FOX II 286.

I've asked the same question here https://www.reddit.com/r/vintagecomputing/com … ith_old_286_pc/

Many thanks in advance!

Last edited by Justin1091 on 2017-09-03, 22:24. Edited 1 time in total.

Reply 1 of 9, by brostenen

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10u tells me that it is a 10 microfahrad or just fahrad, and so it must be a capacitor. Though I am not an electronics expert, so I might be wrong on this. Voltage would be exactly what you suggest. Again... I am not an electronics expert.

For the LZone and WPcomp... Hmmm... If it is an IDE, then try and see what a computer say, that has HDD autodetection, when you detect it. It should give you all the numbers. Sometimes it is written on the drive it self, and sometimes you can find the numbers, by googling the drive you have on you'r hand. Else you can try and set it to the largest in the BIOS, and then install a drive overlay, if the drive is greater than 425mb.

In the past, I have done this procedure when running an 640mb Conner on my Unisys 286.

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Reply 2 of 9, by Justin1091

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Thank you! I'll install the drive to another computer and see what it reports with auto detect. Perhaps some program like HDTune can tell me more. Nothing is written on the hard drive sadly, only Kyocera KC-40GA.

Reply 3 of 9, by brostenen

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Justin1091 wrote:

Kyocera KC-40GA

That was the keyword, you might find something with these links....
http://stason.org/TULARC/pc/hard-drives-hdd/k … -HH-IDE-AT.html
http://computermuseum.informatik.uni-stuttgar … h/2000/1934.htm

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Reply 4 of 9, by Justin1091

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I ordered two caps (in case I fail to install one correctly). I think it's not a ceramic capacitor, but a tantalum one.

I did find the first website you sent me, but the other one I didn't know about. Will be useful, thanks. Someone over at reddit explained the LZone and WPComp stuff, but the two links you sent don't give the values needed. Maybe the disk doesn't need those two values to be input? I'll try inputting a 0 for WPComp and LZone once I fixed the IDE expansion card.

I'll post updates here next week after I tried these things.

Reply 5 of 9, by cj_reha

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Tantalum caps explode when they go, so it's probably just a cap reaching end of life. New one should fix it right up.

Also just leave LZone and WPComp at 0, works fine without it.

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Reply 6 of 9, by keropi

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yeah, 99,999% this was a 10μF 25v tantalum cap that exploded , replace it with another of the same ratings and you'll be fine

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Reply 7 of 9, by Ampera

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Interesting thing to note about cap ratings, you don't need in most cases to put in one of the exact same type. In terms of voltage rating, you can go greater or equal to the original part. Capacity in MOST cases can be greater or equal as well. It's just normally a matter of not going below.

Reply 8 of 9, by gdjacobs

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Depends what the cap is being used for. Increasing capacitance can result in higher inrush currents, inferior control response when in a feedback loop, etc. Increasing capacitance within a limited range is generally okay, though, as electrolytic capacitors often have sloppy tolerances to begin with, and quality components are designed with that in mind.

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Reply 9 of 9, by Justin1091

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Hey guys,

An update.

Replacing the cap fixed the card. It works flawlessly now. I still have trouble with the hdd though. I can't boot from it so I used a DOS 4 shell diskette and I could browse it. I noticed it has an old utility folder on it with drivers. Because they might come in handy I want to copy them. It's 20 mb so very large.

I put the hdd in another pc to copy the contents but I'm getting sector errors from xcopy. Maybe the chs, LZone and WPcomp are incorrect. The internet links don't mention the LZone and Precomp values. Auto detect tells the drive is 49 mb which is incorrect.

Anyone have suggestions on how to copy these drivers from the hdd? I was thinking about a zip drive but it's drivers are too big to fit on a 1.44mb diskette.

Any more suggestions about the Precomp and LZone?