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Reply 20 of 41, by derSammler

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Kadath wrote:

Timo, I've mounted the CF with the 1GB image you've kindly linked me by mail, but I get this error - I suppose I can't use this CF system without upgrading a little memory or other?

Just remove acatune from S:Startup-Sequence. This is to init the ACA-620, which you don't have. You can press both mouse buttons when turning on the Amiga and then select to boot without the Startup-Sequence. From there, use MEmacs to edit the Startup-Sequence. (type in: "tools/memacs s:startup-sequence")

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Reply 21 of 41, by Kadath

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brostenen wrote:

When I google "error #8000003", I get the following:

https://www.amigaforever.com/kb/16-122

Yes, but I can't understand what kind of problem it is about - if I'm right, I just don't have the right architecture mounted inside the machine, ACA68020? So I can't use direct CF loading of a minimal system without little expansion?

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Reply 23 of 41, by Kadath

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derSammler wrote:
Kadath wrote:

Timo, I've mounted the CF with the 1GB image you've kindly linked me by mail, but I get this error - I suppose I can't use this CF system without upgrading a little memory or other?

Just remove acatune from S:Startup-Sequence. This is to init the ACA-620, which you don't have. You can press both mouse buttons when turning on the Amiga and then select to boot without the Startup-Sequence. From there, use MEmacs to edit the Startup-Sequence. (type in: "tools/memacs s:startup-sequence")

Just seen your post, thanks Timo - I'll try doing this in a few moments.

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Reply 24 of 41, by Kadath

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Mouse isn't working well, damn it...

It seems the buttons don't respond, and in this moment no ball movement in X axis... Stupid question: can I get into that boot configuration menu without using mouse?

I'm asking you this while I'm trying to open the mouse and search for a fix...

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Reply 25 of 41, by derSammler

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No, the Amiga is completely useless without a mouse.

You can, however, boot the CF card (or the image) in WinUAE and do the change there. But you still need a working mouse for the Amiga.

Reply 26 of 41, by Jo22

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^When I had no working mouse, I used my Amiga 500 via keyboard.
I was running the classic AmgiaOS, however (Workbench 1.3 and Kick 1.2):
I recall I had to hold one of the Amiga keys and use the arrow keys to move the pointer.
Not sure if this still works with newer releases. 🙁

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Reply 27 of 41, by brostenen

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I remember using the keyboard on an Amiga as well. That was in the workbench and on a 500 as well. The mouse cursor can be moved by the arrow keys, and the mouse buttons are as far as I remember one of the amiga keys or both, combined with the space or enter. My memories are vague as this was in 1996 on a 500 that I borrowed for one week.

Mice are somewhat affordable. Not cheap nor insanely ekspensive. You can still get one of the models that were sold with the escom 1200. Or some other model like alpha data. Around some 25 or 26 UK Pounds plus shipping.

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Reply 28 of 41, by brostenen

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Entering early startup menu, using keyboard alone, was asked in this tread as well....

http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=65619

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Reply 30 of 41, by Kadath

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brostenen wrote:

Entering early startup menu, using keyboard alone, was asked in this tread as well....

http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=65619

I can confirm that using the 'Amiga' key together with the arrows move the cursor without a mouse - the left and right ALT keys act as mouse buttons.

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Reply 31 of 41, by brostenen

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Kadath wrote:
In the meantime, the Gotek arrived to me: […]
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In the meantime, the Gotek arrived to me:

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Sweet..... I have thought about getting one, to install in my external drive. Though I have some +200 floppy disks that I need to wear out first. And I am having some +100 floppy disks heading my way. As my brother has sourced them for free for me.

Now you need to eighter get an aftermarket kick 3.1 or an original kick 2.x version 37.350 like me.

Are you going to keep it as era correct as possible, or are you going for accelerator upgrade?

I have chosen to have it as era correct as possible, only upgrading with 020 14mhz if I can source it. The reason is that I want something that are on par with what was standard back in 91/92. You know... Having the Amiga experience as it was for many Amiga users back them.

I have searched high and low for a new scandoubler at an affordable price. Yet the one that I had my eyes on, IndivisionECS, are all sold out. It was modern, and was sold at around 90/100 euro. So now I have to see if someone has one, that they want to swap for retro pc hardware. Possible a V2-12mb-SLI setup or something like that. First I have to test out scart to hdmi adaptors. As I have ordered a couple from ebay. If you want feedback, I can give you when tested.

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Reply 32 of 41, by Kadath

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brostenen wrote:

Are you going to keep it as era correct as possible, or are you going for accelerator upgrade?

I have no money to invest, but I think that one of interesting aspects about Amiga hardware is its expandability. I'd like to play with the different updates and expansions, new and old, and see how to get the best out of every model's hardware... but as I said before, unfortunately I have no money to spend. I understand very well your point of view about being conservative about the correct configuration according to the time - from this point of view, then even the Gotek is not a good choice. I've always loved that freak halo about Amiga hardware, and the thousand ways to enhance it and expand it: for me it's part of the fun and charm of this great world.

brostenen wrote:

I have searched high and low for a new scandoubler at an affordable price. Yet the one that I had my eyes on, IndivisionECS, are all sold out. It was modern, and was sold at around 90/100 euro. So now I have to see if someone has one, that they want to swap for retro pc hardware. Possible a V2-12mb-SLI setup or something like that. First I have to test out scart to hdmi adaptors. As I have ordered a couple from ebay. If you want feedback, I can give you when tested.

I've heard a lot about this adapter, is it really worth so much to use it? I do not remember well what its effectiveness consists, I have to read about it again - I certainly remember that it cost an eye of the head. Thanks mate, give me feedback when you'll test these adapters - I'll send you by PM my mail too, if you want to write me there too.

I can find easily on eBay those video-modulators-expansion for Amiga, maybe 570 or something - are they worth to take them for a few money?

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Reply 33 of 41, by brostenen

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If you are thinking about this http://www.bigbookofamigahardware.com/bboah/p … uct.aspx?id=725
Then it is allready build into the 600.

Regarding the IndivisionECS, then you need the 604 mem upgrade for the a600 in order for it to work.
As you probably allready know, then it is an internal scandoubler. And if the internal modulator is removed, then you can actually use the empty space, for the vga connector. Personally I have only read good things about it. Though going for some 120 to 150 euro, I think it is better to look for one of them scart to hdmi converters.

You need to find one with scart rgb and not scart composit when searching for one for the amiga.

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Reply 34 of 41, by derSammler

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I have the Indivision ECS in one of my A600. Yes, it's great. All screenmodes work with a standard VGA monitor with that and it's an internal device. It's also a basic framebuffer for which a beta Picasso96 driver exist (so you can use the Workbench with 256 colors). However, it will get quite expensive, as you need the A604n as well (you might want to buy that anyway to have 2 MB Chip RAM). There are much cheaper solutions to just connect a VGA monitor to the A600, like those chinese GBS-82xx converters.

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True.... Yet you get what you pay for. I have tried a couple of solutions to date, and the really cheap ones are crap. Never works and stuff. (Go figure... 🤣 ) The GBS upscaler is something that I have as well. You know... Those ready build ones that have a real 23-pin RGB connector and is in case with external power supply and all that. They go for some 70 euro and up. The image quality is useable, yet they are not perfect. Because of that, I have put my upscaler up for sale locally. For the monitor part, then 15khz monitors are out there. Yes... You just need a lot of research in order to find the correct model that works 100% out of the box. They are few and far apart, and as time goes by, they will ultimately die. Making them even more rare. The best solution is still to get a scandoubler if you ask me.

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Reply 36 of 41, by Kadath

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brostenen wrote:

If you are thinking about this http://www.bigbookofamigahardware.com/bboah/p … uct.aspx?id=725
Then it is allready build into the 600.

Understood, thanks - I just supposed it was for A500 models.

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Regarding the IndivisionECS, then you need the 604 mem upgrade for the a600 in order for it to work.
As you probably allready know, then it is an internal scandoubler. And if the internal modulator is removed, then you can actually use the empty space, for the vga connector. Personally I have only read good things about it. Though going for some 120 to 150 euro, I think it is better to look for one of them scart to hdmi converters. You need to find one with scart rgb and not scart composit when searching for one for the amiga.

On the contrary, I know unfortunately little of the architecture of the various Amiga models, having not owned any model to the apex of the releases on market. Everything about hardware, expansions, mods for me is still very smoky, not having had the opportunity to experience in 1st person. I've read about Indivision ECS... friends, that add-on is AWESOME!!!

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Reply 37 of 41, by brostenen

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Kadath wrote:
Understood, thanks - I just supposed it was for A500 models. […]
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brostenen wrote:

If you are thinking about this http://www.bigbookofamigahardware.com/bboah/p … uct.aspx?id=725
Then it is allready build into the 600.

Understood, thanks - I just supposed it was for A500 models.

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Regarding the IndivisionECS, then you need the 604 mem upgrade for the a600 in order for it to work.
As you probably allready know, then it is an internal scandoubler. And if the internal modulator is removed, then you can actually use the empty space, for the vga connector. Personally I have only read good things about it. Though going for some 120 to 150 euro, I think it is better to look for one of them scart to hdmi converters. You need to find one with scart rgb and not scart composit when searching for one for the amiga.

On the contrary, I know unfortunately little of the architecture of the various Amiga models, having not owned any model to the apex of the releases on market. Everything about hardware, expansions, mods for me is still very smoky, not having had the opportunity to experience in 1st person. I've read about Indivision ECS... friends, that add-on is AWESOME!!!

Well.... It is not that hard, to get an overview of the various models. I mean.... The various original models.
Commodore did not really produce that many as a whole. A couple of consoles (well... one of them a multimedia machine)
Then they produced around 4 of those computer in a keyboard models (500, 500+, 600 and 1200) and they produced
around 6 big box models (1000, 2000, 3000, 3000-Tower, 4000 and 4000-tower).
Actually a pretty nice achievement, when taking in account, that they bought Amiga in 1985 and the last Amiga's were
invented and ready for sale in 1992. That is like some 12 machines included 2 chipset upgrades in less than 7 years.

There were like 3 different main architectures, originally released from Commodore. OCS, ECS and AGA.
Everything else is prototypes on various stages of functionality.

Read everything under commodore machines, on "Big-Book-Of-Amiga-Hardware", and you will have a solid ground for learning more.

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Reply 38 of 41, by derSammler

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These are my three expanded A600. The fourth one has been kept original.

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ShapeShifter runs just fine with the Furia:

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Reply 39 of 41, by brostenen

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That is like 600-heaven..... 😜
Lots of discontinued acc. cards.

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