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Which 486 for a 1989-1992 PC?

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First post, by appiah4

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I'm about to start building a 486 to cover the pre-Pentium years.. I have quite a few motherboard and CPU options, but I can't decide on what to use. I have a P133 system to cover the 1993-1995 (and some 1996) late DOS games including Doom, Quake and early Glide titles like Tomb Raider. I want to use this 486 PC for early Sierra, Lucasarts, Origin, SSI, Westwood, Microprose, etc. games. The second target I have in mind is building something that can play Ultima 7 Pt 1. but can maybe be de-turboed to around 386 levels of speed to run games like Wing Cammander and early Sierra adventures. Is there a sweet spot 486 build for this?

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Reply 1 of 26, by jesolo

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I would recommend at 486DX-33 or 486SX-33 (dependent on what you have available or can find). In most benchmarks I've run, it slows down to roughly 386DX-33 speeds in "de-turbo" or normal mode.
The 486DX2-66 was a very popular CPU as well during the mid nineties but, I believe that your Pentium 133 MHz will cover games from the post 1992 era just fine.

Reply 2 of 26, by root42

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Also, before 1992 you probably would have only had ISA only 486. No VLB, and no PCI for sure. Workstations and servers might have had EISA. But for example we had a 486SX-33 with ISA only back then. Plus 4 MiB of RAM. If you go back to 1989 that would have been very costly... 😉

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Reply 3 of 26, by badmojo

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+1 for the 33MHz option - 66MHz too fast for U7 and not needed for the other games you mentioned. I'd go for VLB over ISA, because that's what made the 486 fun and unique.

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Reply 6 of 26, by Anonymous Coward

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Before 1992 they didn't have VLB, but you could sometimes get proprietary local buses.

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Reply 7 of 26, by dionb

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appiah4 wrote:

How about the UMC U5S-SUPER33?

Apparently it's awfully slow.

I'm currently building a system around one (all UMC, so also UMC motherboard chipset, I/O chip, VGA and NIC). It makes a 386 feel fast - but most of that is due to the UMC VGA that is quite literally the slowest thing I've ever seen doing VGA. It takes almost a minute to render the ASCII of the basic settings page of the BIOS...

Reply 9 of 26, by appiah4

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dionb wrote:
appiah4 wrote:

How about the UMC U5S-SUPER33?

Apparently it's awfully slow.

I'm currently building a system around one (all UMC, so also UMC motherboard chipset, I/O chip, VGA and NIC). It makes a 386 feel fast - but most of that is due to the UMC VGA that is quite literally the slowest thing I've ever seen doing VGA. It takes almost a minute to render the ASCII of the basic settings page of the BIOS...

Something is wrong with your system, I've run Doom on a UMC U5SX-33 before and it ran basically fine.. I was asking whether it would be too fast, to be honest.. Now I'm very curious about what could be wrong with your system 😀

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Reply 10 of 26, by dionb

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oeuvre wrote:

I want to see this UMC drawing a screen in action.

Maybe I'll make a video of it 😉

appiah4 wrote:
dionb wrote:
appiah4 wrote:

How about the UMC U5S-SUPER33?

Apparently it's awfully slow.

I'm currently building a system around one (all UMC, so also UMC motherboard chipset, I/O chip, VGA and NIC). It makes a 386 feel fast - but most of that is due to the UMC VGA that is quite literally the slowest thing I've ever seen doing VGA. It takes almost a minute to render the ASCII of the basic settings page of the BIOS...

Something is wrong with your system, I've run Doom on a UMC U5SX-33 before and it ran basically fine.. I was asking whether it would be too fast, to be honest.. Now I'm very curious about what could be wrong with your system 😀

Like I said, it's the UMC VGA that makes it so idiotically slow. If I stick in a Trident TVGA8900C (not exactly known for its speed either) it's much faster and it positively flies with a CL-GD5428 VLB card. By comparison that is. It's still slower than an i486DX-33. I still have that CPU somewhere, so could benchmark them if I have time.

Reply 11 of 26, by firage

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The Am386DX40 was the mainstream option for 1992. Origin was all about pushing the high end, already optimizing for 486DX's that year.

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Reply 12 of 26, by Anonymous Coward

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The UMC U5S is supposed to be faster than an intel 486 by a considerable margin, at least that's what I've heard from several others.

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Reply 13 of 26, by alvaro84

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Anonymous Coward wrote:

The UMC U5S is supposed to be faster than an intel 486 by a considerable margin, at least that's what I've heard from several others.

I have the same experience. The only socketed UMC U5S I have was faster in a proper mobo. The PQFP one I tried, which was soldered to a tiny motherboard (late 386 size) was as slow as dionb wrote. I don't know what its problem was. But the CPU itself should be a decent performer.

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Reply 14 of 26, by jesolo

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alvaro84 wrote:
Anonymous Coward wrote:

The UMC U5S is supposed to be faster than an intel 486 by a considerable margin, at least that's what I've heard from several others.

I have the same experience. The only socketed UMC U5S I have was faster in a proper mobo. The PQFP one I tried, which was soldered to a tiny motherboard (late 386 size) was as slow as dionb wrote. I don't know what its problem was. But the CPU itself should be a decent performer.

I can contest to that - I recently borrowed a UMC U5S-33 and benchmarked it on my 486 motherboard. I'll dig out the benchmark results a bit later but, overall, it performed more or less on par with a 486DX2-50.
It didn't quite managed to reach 486DX2-66 speeds but, I believe that the equivalent UMC U5S-40 CPU should manage to run more or less on par with a 486DX2-66.

Reply 15 of 26, by jesolo

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firage wrote:

The Am386DX40 was the mainstream option for 1992. Origin was all about pushing the high end, already optimizing for 486DX's that year.

Yes, it was quite a popular CPU but, fortunately a 486DX-33 can be slowed down to run at 386 speeds as well, if it is a bit too fast for certain games.

Reply 16 of 26, by appiah4

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alvaro84 wrote:
Anonymous Coward wrote:

The UMC U5S is supposed to be faster than an intel 486 by a considerable margin, at least that's what I've heard from several others.

I have the same experience. The only socketed UMC U5S I have was faster in a proper mobo. The PQFP one I tried, which was soldered to a tiny motherboard (late 386 size) was as slow as dionb wrote. I don't know what its problem was. But the CPU itself should be a decent performer.

Is this the one?

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Reply 17 of 26, by alvaro84

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appiah4 wrote:
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Is this the one?

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I don't have it anymore but it's quite possible.

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Reply 18 of 26, by Baoran

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Back in 1989 when I bought my first pc, it was a 286 which I upgraded to 33Mhz 386 in 1992. I never really looked into it, so I didn't know that 486 pcs were that common even back in 1989. Perhaps they were just too expensive for people to buy back then? It would be strange to buy a pc nowadays that would be 2 generations behind the newest tech. I even paid quite much for that 286 in 1989.

Reply 19 of 26, by firage

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Yeah, as the 386 before, they had the 486 as a special high end market segment CPU for quite a long time, since consumer applications were so few. 486DX2's became mainstream as they brought out the early Pentiums in '93, and then as Pentiums became mainstream they brought out the Pentium Pro. Barely a gap anymore at that point.

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