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First post, by nztdm

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Hello!

I have the following 386 board. "VLSI 311 386SX VER 1.0"
I can't seem to find out the model, or get it to get past the 1 long, 8 short beep error (seems to relate to video).
Am using a known working Trident TVGA9000A card. Have tried in both 16-bit and 8-bit mode (with plastic covering the 16-bit portion of the edge connector) to no avail.

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With no memory installed, I get memory error beeps, so it's working somewhat.
Have tried with 4 x 256KiB parity, and 4 x 1MiB parity.
I don't have any other ISA VGA cards at present unfortunately.

There are two jumpers on the motherboard. JP2 next to the CPU, and JP4 next to the main chipset. The board came with J2 closed, and J4 open. I have tried every other combination (wondering if they are CGA mode etc).

The BIOS dump dates 07-07-1991. 30-0400-D41107-00101111-070791-SCMPSX
I've attached the BIOS dump for curiosity.
I have since removed the NiCd cell that only showed ~1.0V, but not leaking luckily.

Any ideas what the problem could be? Any other things to test?

Thanks!
JD

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Reply 1 of 6, by stamasd

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Did you just remove the battery, or did you connect another battery instead? Some motherboards won't boot without a battery.

I/O, I/O,
It's off to disk I go,
With a bit and a byte
And a read and a write,
I/O, I/O

Reply 2 of 6, by kixs

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Try putting the VGA card in different slots. Too bad you don't have a spare VGA card to test. I can say the Trident cards have good compatibility. Also check for any broken traces on the back side.

stamasd wrote:

Did you just remove the battery, or did you connect another battery instead? Some motherboards won't boot without a battery.

It's good to know as I have a few boards that won't boot and don't have battery installed.

Requests are also possible... /msg kixs

Reply 3 of 6, by alvaro84

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That battery eerily reminds me of a can of Surströmming. Thank goodness you've already removed it, you don't want to smell it when it starts to leak... 🤣

Shame on us, doomed from the start
May God have mercy on our dirty little hearts

Reply 4 of 6, by stamasd

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alvaro84 wrote:

That battery eerily reminds me of a can of Surströmming. Thank goodness you've already removed it, you don't want to smell it when it starts to leak... 🤣

better than a bag of hákarl.

I/O, I/O,
It's off to disk I go,
With a bit and a byte
And a read and a write,
I/O, I/O

Reply 5 of 6, by nztdm

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stamasd wrote:

Did you just remove the battery, or did you connect another battery instead? Some motherboards won't boot without a battery.

Even systems as new as a 386? Thought that was more an Apple thing..

I discovered a missing pin 4 of an SO-14 IC (U8, bottom left). A DM7406 hex-inverter with open-collector high-voltage outputs; an odd-ball. I've ordered another.

The broken leg was an input to one of the inverters. That inverter is in series with another, going off somewhere on the board. Acting as a buffer or delay line.
Removed it to see if that pin was connected, breaking the chip. At least with the new chip i could see if it needed that missing leg, or if it was a factory bodge.

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I now have a 286 board, and some interesting results.

With the 286 board, the system will sometimes boot, and sometimes give the same AMI video memory error beep.
It will always give the beep on first boot after you've left it a dozen or so seconds off. Reset doesn't help. The next cold boot within a few seconds will have it working. This makes me think maybe the video card has an issue, and the 386 board is fine after all.

I'll know when I finally get more VGA cards to test.

The one system that this suspect VGA card worked perfectly in, was Sergey's Micro 8088 XT system, in 8-bit mode.

Putting the card in an 8-bit slot in 8-bit mode in the 286 board produces the same results as the other slots in 16-bit mode.

I replaced the tantalum caps (3 x 10uF, 2 x 2.2uF) on the VGA card, to no effect.

The VGA card is a 9016X2 / 4 LT2 REV.B. Here's a pic:

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I've tried all combinations of VRAM, with new chips and the originals.
It never works with only 256KB, either producing same beep from mobo, or corrupting on first screen.

The two jumpers at the top right don't help, and I can't figure out what they do.
They make the screen corrupt differently when there's only 256KB RAM.

Here's the 286 board the VGA card only works sometimes in: http://arvutimuuseum.ee/th99/m/A-B/30650.htm

Reply 6 of 6, by stamasd

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nztdm wrote:
stamasd wrote:

Did you just remove the battery, or did you connect another battery instead? Some motherboards won't boot without a battery.

Even systems as new as a 386? Thought that was more an Apple thing..

Even systems as new as socket7. I once "repaired" a non-POSTing Pentium system by replacing the CMOS battery.

I/O, I/O,
It's off to disk I go,
With a bit and a byte
And a read and a write,
I/O, I/O