brostenen wrote:

I kind of think, that people will look for FPGA solutions, once nobody can get their hands on a Paula anymore. Or microcontrolle […]
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Errius wrote:

Right, the famous 'Paula'. What do people do when these fail? I assume they're no longer made.

I kind of think, that people will look for FPGA solutions, once nobody can get their hands on a Paula anymore. Or microcontroller or some other technology, to drive a replacement chip's inner workings. A bit like these Re-SID or SwinSID Nano's and what else there are.

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A bit like this here... Amiga Reborn (YouTube)
Complete implementation of the Amiga in a stanalone FPGA board, that we are still waiting for, regarding avaliability and pricing.

A project with a new case (similar to the old) with new hardware but with the same compatibility and outputs for more common monitors ... that would definitely be an instant buy for me.

red_avatar wrote:

A project with a new case (similar to the old) with new hardware but with the same compatibility and outputs for more common monitors ... that would definitely be an instant buy for me.

Look no further.... https://www.a1200.net

The 500 cases, should be V4 stand alone. It can't get any better than the "similar" that you talked about. 😁

There are mods available to add HDMI/DVI output to classic Amigas.
The most popular is the 'Indivision': https://icomp.de/shop-icomp/en/shop/product/F … candoubler.html
There are also external boxes that take (RGB) SCART as input and generate DVI/HDMI.

As for the keyboard, then....
https://www.tindie.com/products/tynemouthsw/u … a-500-keyboard/

And keycaps.... Take note, that mitsumi keyboards for all the old Amiga computers have interchangeable keycaps. And is why you can use CDTV caps on Amiga500, 600 or even the 1200.

https://youtu.be/U9JY1zjDLMk

Scali wrote:

There are mods available to add HDMI/DVI output to classic Amigas.
The most popular is the 'Indivision': https://icomp.de/shop-icomp/en/shop/product/F … candoubler.html
There are also external boxes that take (RGB) SCART as input and generate DVI/HDMI.

I have tried these external boxes. Yet as I probably or probably not have said previously. Then I have never seen any external box, that was above a scandoubler in quality. This includes the black square one that was all the rage a few years back and then these GB-Something based. Like this here that are making the image too blue in nuance.

The only three acceptable solutions that I have seen, are the real scandoublers (like IndivisionECS or ScanPlusECS) that I mentioned previously as well. Then a real CRT Amiga monitor or an old CRT television that have SCART input. These three are the best I have ever seen. I have never tried one of them open source scan doubler or what it is called (populair in console circles) or the similar "RetroTinkX2" box. I am just happy with my IndivisionECS V2 in my Amiga600 and my ScanPlusECS in my Amiga500.

I hear that the OSSC is awesome for the amiga - as well as other 15K machines. Could be an option since it is not tied to a single system.
One of my 1200s has the Indivision MK2 alhough it produces excellent visual quality - it lacks frame syncing (and a bunch of other features that were promised but never realized) so you will get stutters when gaming.
Cheap options are crap 🤣

keropi wrote:

I hear that the OSSC is awesome for the amiga - as well as other 15K machines. Could be an option since it is not tied to a single system.
One of my 1200s has the Indivision MK2 alhough it produces excellent visual quality - it lacks frame syncing (and a bunch of other features that were promised but never realized) so you will get stutters when gaming.
Cheap options are crap 🤣

Does it lack 50hz refresh rate settings. Or is it something else that is the sync issue?

It has 50hz setting just fine but it cannot sync frames between input and output. So periodically you get frame breaks/stutters just like you run a game with v-sync OFF.
Many things promised about the MK2, almost none of those extras materialized.
Software to control it was crappy last time I checked it for example VESA output polarities were wrong - this was inexcusable.
I can rant for pages about Individual Computers and their half-finished products and excuses but I just don't care about them anymore, the MK2 was the last thing I bought from them almost at release time.

A very cool local Amiga nut is developing an HDMI scandoubler using FPGA locally.. I have one on preorder but the maker is hesistant about making it available commercially worldwide:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=j_MODMAKoUM

This is the final production test result.

Check the guy’s channel for more test videos and production videos.

All you international folks who want one be sure to drop him a line.

^ looks good , I suppose he will have some kind of osd on the device?

keropi wrote:

^ looks good , I suppose he will have some kind of osd on the device?

The OSD in the video may be for testing only, but it will have an OSD for the basic functionalities such as enabling scan lines and changing scanline contrast, etc. achieved by using physical switches on the device. Upscales to 576p/576i. It will also receive DDC info from the monitor and display it on the OSD (and refuse to switch to modes not supported by it IIRC).

It's going to use an off the shelf Altera FPGA. The cards look like this together:

There's also a housing for 3D printing:

And here's a photo of the current production run progress:

Last time I messed with Indivision it didnt save settings and config was terrible. I avoided MK2. I agree OSSC is way to go!

brostenen wrote:

red_avatar wrote:

A project with a new case (similar to the old) with new hardware but with the same compatibility and outputs for more common monitors ... that would definitely be an instant buy for me.

Look no further.... https://www.a1200.net

The 500 cases, should be V4 stand alone. It can't get any better than the "similar" that you talked about. 😁

Sadly, it's just the case itself - the keys are by far the worst for wear on most models I see on sale. Can you buy the caps as well?

red_avatar wrote:

brostenen wrote:

red_avatar wrote:

A project with a new case (similar to the old) with new hardware but with the same compatibility and outputs for more common monitors ... that would definitely be an instant buy for me.

Look no further.... https://www.a1200.net

The 500 cases, should be V4 stand alone. It can't get any better than the "similar" that you talked about. 😁

Sadly, it's just the case itself - the keys are by far the worst for wear on most models I see on sale. Can you buy the caps as well?

I mentioned the keycaps in the post right after. 😉

You can get new produced membranes as well. All in all. What you will be left with of original Commodore parts, are the keyboard shell it self, the plungers, the keyboard pcb and the wires.

Keycaps, springs, membrane, case and VampireV4 are the new parts. So you will actually get a 90 percent new Amiga this way, if you go the V4 way and buy parts from multiple sources. And it is modern technology in some of the parts.

Regarding prices. The Vampire V2 are priced at around 370 to 390 euro when buying brand new. And the V4 will be priced a little more expensive. That is acording the the Apollo team. It will probably around 430 to 460 euro. Yet you get a brand new develloped and produced Amiga1200 on steroids this way. I am talking about 68080 processor speed. And those 430 to 460 euro was standard price for a new never used a1200 around 92/94'ish.

appiah4 wrote:

The cards look like this together: […]
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The cards look like this together:

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I found a deal on eBay that isn't too bad:

https://www.benl.ebay.be/itm/Commodore-Amiga- … msAAOSw8yxca9Ge

What are your thoughts? Gotek and Kickstart switch seem very handy mods to have and it's in pretty good condition including the mouse. Not too yellowed either. I love the small 3D printed display that shows the disk name.

brostenen wrote:

And the V4 will be priced a little more expensive. That is acording the the Apollo team. It will probably around 430 to 460 euro. Yet you get a brand new develloped and produced Amiga1200 on steroids this way. I am talking about 68080 processor speed. And those 430 to 460 euro was standard price for a new never used a1200 around 92/94'ish.

🤣. 68080. new amiga 1200. pfft. its just a giant fpga with nothing Amiga about it. better off just running UAE at that point. or just getting a ppc mac and running morphos.

to me, there is real hardware, and not. vampV4 is not. when dealing with not original hardware, its about speed, and a PC with fsuae will kill a V4. Nothing gonna use V4's 64bit extensions or AMMX, SAGA etc. People want to play their old games and demos. There was a small market for accelerators, and they were super expensive so making an accelerator was feasible. Vampire v2 was great. but this whole 68080/SAGA makes me laugh. {waves to natami team 🤣}.

BloodyCactus wrote:

🤣. 68080. new amiga 1200. pfft. its just a giant fpga with nothing Amiga about it. better off just running UAE at that point. or just getting a ppc mac and running morphos.

to me, there is real hardware, and not. vampV4 is not. when dealing with not original hardware, its about speed, and a PC with fsuae will kill a V4. Nothing gonna use V4's 64bit extensions or AMMX, SAGA etc. People want to play their old games and demos. There was a small market for accelerators, and they were super expensive so making an accelerator was feasible. Vampire v2 was great. but this whole 68080/SAGA makes me laugh. {waves to natami team 🤣}.

One is Amiga chipsets recreated on hardware level, the other solution is software emulation on a different computer platform.
I don't know about you, but Vampires are more authentic than UAE, and just as much an Amiga than the Draco systems are.
Sure they are not Commodore Amiga's, yet an Amiga they are.

MorphOS are not real Amiga eighter. It is an AmigaOS-like operating system. Calling MorphOS for AmigaOS is like calling Linux a Unix system.

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And what about AmigaONE-x500, AmigaONE-x1000, AmigaONE-500, Sam460cr and Sam460ex... Are they not Amiga's? You see. It all comes down to, if we are talking M68K or PPC. If it is designed to run AmigaOS, then it is an Amiga, never mind the OCS, ECS and AGA chipset's. The Amiga have moved on. The same as Mac computers. First M68k, then PPC and now Intel. They are still Mac's. And what about the PC? Can a modern PC run MS-Dos the way the IBM 5150 can do it? Just because it is build for Windows10, does not mean it is not a PC anymore.

I don't know about you, but Vampires are more authentic than UAE, and just as much an Amiga than the Draco systems are.

What makes you think its more 'authentic'? both are just written in software, compiled to binary and executed on a host controller.

Neither of them is an Amiga.

MorphOS are not real Amiga eighter. It is an AmigaOS-like operating system. Calling MorphOS for AmigaOS is like calling Linux a Unix system.

🤣. Your correct, Linux it not "genuine Unix(tm)". You've defeated your own argument. What is vampire? Not an Amiga!

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And what about AmigaONE-x500, AmigaONE-x1000, AmigaONE-500, Sam460cr and Sam460ex... Are they not Amiga's?

Hell no they are not Amiga's. It really shows your ignorance to what an Amiga IS.

If it is designed to run AmigaOS, then it is an Amiga, never mind the OCS, ECS and AGA chipset's. The Amiga have moved on.

your an idiot. You cant ignore half of what makes an Amiga, an Amiga (its custom hardware) and say, oh that does not count. Amiga is its custom hardware and its OS, released by Commodore. If parts of those are missing, its not an Amiga.

Phoenix, GBA1000, Alice+, they are Amigas, just not "genuine Amiga" since not released by Commodore but all commodore hardware inside. They are clones. (Phoenix had permission from Commodore and bought CSG chips directly from them).

Whats not Amiga? Minimig, FPGArcade, Mist/Mister, Vampire V4, mac mini g4 running morphos, aros on raspberry pi, WarpOS, AmigaDE, OS4.0+4.1 are not real AmigaOS etc.

I am no expert in persuasive arguments but I really doubt saying “your an idiot” sways many opinions..