Scali wrote:

brostenen wrote:

when I see someone stating something that is not true.

Correction: something you disagree with.
There is no absolute truth of what an Amiga is or isn't. I just said what an Amiga is *for me*. It is something different to you, and I can accept that. But I can argue why my stance is what it is. I don't see you doing the same. I see you going for all sorts of fallacies.

True.... It is what it is to each one personally, unless you like Bloody cactus was speaking about the entire platform not being anything other than what Commodore sold. Personally I like classic Amiga's better. I am speaking about the Amiga platform in total. That includes the Draco systems, as they can run AmigaOS 3.1

Scali wrote:

brostenen wrote:

It is like. If IBM invented the PC with one goal and design filosophy in mind, and now we are not even using BIOS any more. Then that can not be considered a PC anymore.

Anything that can't run 8088 MPH isn't a PC. Everyone knows that.

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spiroyster wrote:

I'll allow it... And the 'Walker' of course. :) […]
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Scali wrote:

spiroyster wrote:

Amiga died with Commodore (CBM) and the last 'true' Amiga was the 4000T. RiP

Well... technically ESCOM continued building Amigas for a while after it bought Commodore.

I'll allow it... And the 'Walker' of course. 😀

appiah4 wrote:

Amiga as an X68000 architecture is dead and gone.

The X68000 was a computer by Sharp? Do you mean just '68K' as in the motorola 68K?

The X was misplaced there, I meant the 68000 architecture by Motorola of course.

Another example of Amiga's not created by Commodore would be the following.

https://hackaday.com/2018/08/22/an-incredible … 00-motherboard/

http://www.amy-itx.com

http://www.generationamiga.com/2016/11/29/ami … 0-kit-released/

They are not created by Commodore. Just some random guys or single persons.

brostenen wrote:

Software wise, then we are not using Dos any more eighter. Dos is dead, BIOS is dead, just as m68k and AmigaOS-M68k is dead. The platforms have evolved.

Well, I'll reiterate my earlier point: many modern PCs can still boot the original DOS (granted, UEFI needs specific legacy support, and not all of them have this anymore, but still... and there are software shims to load a legacy BIOS from an UEFI environment).
And once you get DOS booted, you have an environment that is compatible with old PCs: x86, DOS, BIOS, VGA, PC speaker, 8253 timer, 8259 PIC etc.
Amigas aren't compatible like that. You can't load Kickstart on them in any way, because they can't execute 68k code. And their hardware is not compatible with Amiga hardware either. I can't send commands to the blitter, copper etc, because they aren't there.
The only 'compatibility' is with high-level API support, like Intuition. As in, if you have source code of an application written against the original AmigaOS, you can recompile it for the new OS.

brostenen wrote:

Another example of Amiga's not created by Commodore would be the following. […]
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Another example of Amiga's not created by Commodore would be the following.

https://hackaday.com/2018/08/22/an-incredible … 00-motherboard/

http://www.amy-itx.com

http://www.generationamiga.com/2016/11/29/ami … 0-kit-released/

They are not created by Commodore. Just some random guys or single persons.

Well, depends on how you look at it. They are 'bare' PCBs, which require the original Commodore chips. So these chips are made by Commodore (and the PCBs are basically a reworking of the original Commodore design).

brostenen wrote:

If IBM invented the PC with one goal and design filosophy in mind, and now we are not even using BIOS any more. Then that can not be considered a PC anymore.

They did, it was 'ease of arch upgrade-ability and evolution', and todays PCs are direct descendants. You can run the oldest PC software on modern ones just like you can run 360 software on Z (IBM thing).

brostenen wrote:

So I still stand by my point, that an AmigaONE-x5000 are just as much an Amiga

nah, its culture appropriation, and scamming few enthusiasts left, just like Vampire main purpose is to run sysinfo and get a high, meaningless dhrystones number.

What is Amiga? Amiga is selling same 7MHz CPU Double Density floppy computer design for 9 (NINE) years until you go bankrupt. Amiga is selling $4000 workstation in 1992 with Floppy drive spinning at half speed. Amiga is bundling a game (Screen Gems A500 Days of Thunder) running at 3 (THREE) frames per second. Amiga is selling game console (cd32) running Wing Commander at 1 (ONE) frame per second. Amiga is paying your CEO 2-3 times IBMs CEO salary. Amiga is paying your CEO more salary than you make profit in a year, all while firing almost whole technical staff.

keropi wrote:

red_avatar wrote:

I found a deal on eBay that isn't too bad:

https://www.benl.ebay.be/itm/Commodore-Amiga- … msAAOSw8yxca9Ge

What are your thoughts? Gotek and Kickstart switch seem very handy mods to have and it's in pretty good condition including the mouse. Not too yellowed either. I love the small 3D printed display that shows the disk name.

Price is nothing great IMHO (some 20-30e more from what you would pay to assemble it yourself)
As a setup it's fine but loading from gotek will get old pretty fast. Maybe you don't mind though.

I've been keeping an eye for an Amiga in a decent state for like two years now but prices are pretty ridiculous it seems. Belgians don't really have many for sale either. The UK is the best source but those wankers charge like twice what Europeans charge 😠

rasz_pl wrote:

What is Amiga? Amiga is selling same 7MHz CPU Double Density floppy computer design for 9 (NINE) years until you go bankrupt. Amiga is selling $4000 workstation in 1992 with Floppy drive spinning at half speed. Amiga is bundling a game (Screen Gems A500 Days of Thunder) running at 3 (THREE) frames per second. Amiga is selling game console (cd32) running Wing Commander at 1 (ONE) frame per second. Amiga is paying your CEO 2-3 times IBMs CEO salary. Amiga is paying your CEO more salary than you make profit in a year, all while firing almost whole technical staff.

You are referring to Commodore right?

red_avatar wrote:

I've been keeping an eye for an Amiga in a decent state for like two years now but prices are pretty ridiculous it seems. Belgians don't really have many for sale either. The UK is the best source but those wankers charge like twice what Europeans charge 😠

I found an add on the internet, about a machine from Italy. Wrote you a PM. The price might be a tiny bit steep, yet compared to current price level, then I think it is ok. Just a tiny bit over what they used to cost 1 to 2 years ago.

an amiga was recently sold for 2200 USD on ebay, actually, the price of them has dropped a bit in the past 4 years, with the introduction of the new vampire accelerator, people now are more interested in Amiga 600/500 over amiga 3000/4000, so that's why you see an increase in the entry versions of amiga because they support a wide range of accelerators and other mods

Katara wrote:

an amiga was recently sold for 2200 USD on ebay, actually, the price of them has dropped a bit in the past 4 years, with the introduction of the new vampire accelerator, people now are more interested in Amiga 600/500 over amiga 3000/4000, so that's why you see an increase in the entry versions of amiga because they support a wide range of accelerators and other mods

2200? That must have been an 4000-Tower (Escom, not the Commodore version)

Yup. 600's are on the rise, and 1200 even so. 500's are not that expensive yet. Unless it is eighter a NTSC from America or one of them original versions that came with the mechanical space invaders keyboard. Like this one here, with serial number #775.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Amiga-500-Computer-S … &frcectupt=true

Sellers video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NF_zIE53FVE

brostenen wrote:

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Katara wrote:

an amiga was recently sold for 2200 USD on ebay, actually, the price of them has dropped a bit in the past 4 years, with the introduction of the new vampire accelerator, people now are more interested in Amiga 600/500 over amiga 3000/4000, so that's why you see an increase in the entry versions of amiga because they support a wide range of accelerators and other mods

2200? That must have been an 4000-Tower (Escom, not the Commodore version)

Yup. 600's are on the rise, and 1200 even so. 500's are not that expensive yet. Unless it is eighter a NTSC from America or one of them original versions that came with the mechanical space invaders keyboard. Like this one here, with serial number #775.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Amiga-500-Computer-S … &frcectupt=true

Sellers video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NF_zIE53FVE

yes correct it was an 4000t

Katara wrote:

brostenen wrote:

2200? That must have been an 4000-Tower (Escom, not the Commodore version) […]
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Katara wrote:

an amiga was recently sold for 2200 USD on ebay, actually, the price of them has dropped a bit in the past 4 years, with the introduction of the new vampire accelerator, people now are more interested in Amiga 600/500 over amiga 3000/4000, so that's why you see an increase in the entry versions of amiga because they support a wide range of accelerators and other mods

2200? That must have been an 4000-Tower (Escom, not the Commodore version)

Yup. 600's are on the rise, and 1200 even so. 500's are not that expensive yet. Unless it is eighter a NTSC from America or one of them original versions that came with the mechanical space invaders keyboard. Like this one here, with serial number #775.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Amiga-500-Computer-S … &frcectupt=true

Sellers video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NF_zIE53FVE

yes correct it was an 4000t

But Escom right? I mean. Commodore 4000 Towers are rare as f**k. Only some 150 to 200 were produced, before they went bust. And most of them have died from battery leake.

Update:

I decided to fork over some serious cash and get a decent A1200 after all.

https://www.2dehands.be/a/computers-en-softwa … 6f4f8b9c5b7a618

The fact it has an indivision flicker mod is a big plus since I can hook it up to pretty much anything now and those things are like €150 so the €350 I paid is not too bad I think considering it's otherwise in fully working order, looks very clean (very little yellowing!) and has WHD load included. I think I'd better get a 8MB memory card though ... I hear WHD Load games tend to need quite a bit.

red_avatar wrote:

I think I'd better get a 8MB memory card though ... I hear WHD Load games tend to need quite a bit.

Games targeted at the original Amigas (500/600/1000/2000) generally need 512k to 1m of memory.
Games targeted at AGA machines (1200/4000) generally need 2m of memory.
WHDLoad adds some extra overhead, but afaik that is never more than 1m extra... so an original Amiga with 2mb should be able to play any original Amiga games with WHDLoad, and with 2-4mb you should be able to play any AGA games.

That is, any 'regular' AGA games. Not the later stuff like DOOM/Quake etc ports, which may require an accelerator board with a fast CPU, like an 040 or 060 at 50 MHz, and then you probably will need quite a bit of memory as well.

I think if you want to add memory to an Amiga 1200, it's better to kill two birds with one stone, and get a CPU board with memory (the new ones sold by Individual Computers are not that expensive: https://icomp.de/shop-icomp/en/shop.html#filter=.ami).

What Scali says is true, but the cost of upgrading to 8MB vs 2MB is really superficial these days so you may just go ahead with 8MB anyway.

appiah4 wrote:

What Scali says is true, but the cost of upgrading to 8MB vs 2MB is really superficial these days so you may just go ahead with 8MB anyway.

That was more or less my point, except that the cost of upgrading with a CPU accelerator board vs just a memory expansion is superficial as well.

Oh certainly, that is a no brainer - I did not object to that at all. I'm a huge Individual Computers fan, my A500 sports an 8MB ACA500plus at 42MHz. 😀

andrewreader wrote on 2019-02-16, 19:35:

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Hello.

I've owned an Amiga 500 and Amiga 1200. I still own the Amiga 1200 to this day.

You can only use a VGA monitor from the Amiga's video port that outputs at 15 Hz.

http://15khz.wikidot.com/

The 'Gotek' floppy emulator is good but if you have lots of floppy disks to use, you then need to have an external floppy drive to access the disks. Or run the Gotek externally and keep the internal drive.

The CF hard drive is a winner. If you look at 'WHDLOAD', you can the run games directly from the CF drive through Workbench and return to Workbench when you've finished the game via a hotkey.

At a minimum, you'll need a 512KB Upgrade, the more RAM the merrier.

Start reading:

https://archive.org/details/amiga-computing-m … ort=titleSorter

Hello,

May I just ask, instead of starting a new thread, what would you recommend for a Gotek? I'm also totally new to Amigas. Bought a recapped 1200 last spring, that was supposed to be used, but instead ended up in the bookshelf due to the lack of floppies.

There are several versions of Gotek - Flashfloppy, HxC, OLED, non-OLED... Is it only the price, or are there other disadvantages to buy the HxC OLED one?

Thanks! 😀

I have a GoTek, but I stopped using it.

It is a great piece of kit, but I longed for my floppy drive back.

The guys at the South-West Amiga Group, some have the OLED one with a rotary knob to quickly choose disks/demos/games. And then it's down to your personal preference of Gotek Firmware / menu choice.

I have 99.99% of what I need on the Compact Flash drive; so I recommend a CF drive and CF - IDE Adapter and of course WHD Load.

I also have a 'SuperDrive', so can use this unit to write data back to disk to run on the floppy drive.