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First post, by Nvm1

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Dear Vogoners,

For a few weeks I received a mainboard with a strange layout for the cachesockets.
I attached a few photo's below, watch the keying of the socket in the corner of the motherboard.

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The last socket in the row with 5 cacheships (in the corner of the motherboard) is flipped/180degrees turned.
My question is; how can I check if the orientation of the socket that is flipped is correct?
Is it possible to check this with my multimeter on certain legs of the socket?

This because I want to prevent frying the board of my cache chips trying to get this motherboard alive again.

Second question is: The odin RTC module seems to be dead flat. What pins do I need to connect a battery holder to to reactivate the unit?
I know there is a thread about it but sofar I found 20 topics with people that either designed replacements or simply did mod their RTC..

Last edited by Nvm1 on 2019-03-28, 17:19. Edited 1 time in total.

Reply 1 of 12, by rasz_pl

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Nvm1 wrote:

Is it possible to check this with my multimeter on certain legs of the socket?

yes, power and ground are easy to find (opposite corners)

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Reply 2 of 12, by Nvm1

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rasz_pl wrote:
Nvm1 wrote:

Is it possible to check this with my multimeter on certain legs of the socket?

yes, power and ground are easy to find (opposite corners)

Okay, that sounds promising. What corner is/should be ground and which one power? If I know which leg in relation to the keying of the cachechip is what I can probe them.

Reply 3 of 12, by GigAHerZ

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Nvm1, google the datasheet of your cache chips and you'll find the pinout.

"640K ought to be enough for anybody." - And i intend to get every last bit out of it even after loading every damn driver!

Reply 4 of 12, by Anonymous Coward

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Socket4 board?

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Reply 5 of 12, by Deksor

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Yeah you can read "socket 4" on the CPU socket if you pay real attention ^^

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Reply 6 of 12, by Nvm1

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Anonymous Coward wrote:

Socket4 board?

Yes, it looks a bit like a TCM PCI58AL but the layout differs in alot of places..
And I only get a reading on the diagnostics card when I remove the RAM..

Either the empty Odin is causing this or the empty cache slots. Problem is that I can't find an external battery header which would solve one problem really easy.

Reply 7 of 12, by manuelink64

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Hi:

With a multimeter, test continuity between all of "pin14" on the dip sockets (without the cache chip) and the main ground of the board.
if all make the beep/buzz sound you are discover the "polarity" of the chip.

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good luck. 😎

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Reply 8 of 12, by Nvm1

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manuelink64 wrote:
Hi: […]
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Hi:

With a multimeter, test continuity between all of "pin14" on the dip sockets (without the cache chip) and the main ground of the board.
if all make the beep/buzz sound you are discover the "polarity" of the chip.

Zks4qfr.png

good luck. 😎

Thanks Manuelink64, will test it Friday evening. As soon as that is finished I am going to look into powering the RTC module somehow.

Still I find it strange that without cache, but with CPU, RAM, Keyboard and a working VGA installed I get no post codes on my diagnostics card.
The only way to get a code is by removing the RAM, then it is stuck at C1/bE

Should it not atleast give some codes with working FPM ram installed?

Edit:
I did test the cache module sockets, and they all have the orientation in the same way. The keying of the last slot is also incorrect 😠
I tried with 3 sets of known good FPM ram now, + cpu + vga card, but I cannot get it to boot/show any sign of life.

What else can cause this? The diagnostics card only gives numbers if I remove all RAM from the system...

Reply 10 of 12, by manuelink64

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Different approach, try to find the 5VDC (or VCC) pin on all socket.

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Good luck! 😊

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Reply 11 of 12, by Nvm1

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manuelink64 wrote:
Different approach, try to find the 5VDC (or VCC) pin on all socket. […]
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Different approach, try to find the 5VDC (or VCC) pin on all socket.

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Good luck! 😊

Thanks Manuel, I figured out the orientation already with your last tip.
And I just fixed the bent ISA pin but putting an old credit card between it to bend it back and then push it with my plastic spatula back in shape.
I found a broken resistor at the edge of the board, gonna solder a replacement in and then try again!
The isa post card now gives codes, so I am on the right way! 😀

Up to the next update on this weird board..

Reply 12 of 12, by manuelink64

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Nvm1 wrote:
Thanks Manuel, I figured out the orientation already with your last tip. And I just fixed the bent ISA pin but putting an old cr […]
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Thanks Manuel, I figured out the orientation already with your last tip.
And I just fixed the bent ISA pin but putting an old credit card between it to bend it back and then push it with my plastic spatula back in shape.
I found a broken resistor at the edge of the board, gonna solder a replacement in and then try again!
The isa post card now gives codes, so I am on the right way! 😀

Up to the next update on this weird board..

You're welcome! 😎

[Unisys CWP] [CPU] AMD-X5-133ADZ [RAM] 64 MB (4x36) FPM [HDD] Seagate 8.4GB [Audio] SB16 SCSI 2 (CT1770) [Video] ATI Mach64VT2 [OS] Windows 95 OSR2.5