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Reply 20 of 31, by chinny22

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Like others have said if you want a noticeable difference you'll need to get something with a larger difference in Mhz. Upgrading from Katmai to Coppermine isn't going to make much difference in real world gaming.
I'm assuming the 1GHz machine is 133 FSB, which will give it a bit of a boost against the 100 FSB of the BX board, but again CPU Mhz is where the speed is found.

Voodoo is a lot less CPU dependent which is why it performs better then D3d. As long as games support it of course.

Reply 21 of 31, by Ti200

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Yes P3-1000 is 133fbs with paired pc133 ram.
If i buy a slocket i can test all with my 600E coppermine, then i can swap the cpu.
Like other said i need at least p3 800 for a good boost, but seems like the 100mhz fsb versions are a bit too difficult to find.
So, if i buy another p3 1000 133fsb, it can work at 100fsb, 750mhz?

| P3 550 | 384MB RAM | R9000 64MB | Creative ES1370 | SSD 120GB | DVD-ROM |
| P3 1000 | 512MB RAM | Ti4200 128MB | Creative SB0220 | HDD 20GB | DVD-ROM |
| P4 3.06 | 1.5GB RAM | 6600GT 256MB | SiS 7012 | HDD 40GB | DVD-ROM |

Reply 22 of 31, by MKT_Gundam

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No sure if this guy in the video is a vogons use in this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDrY6c7mOGI

Retro rig 1: Asus CUV4X, VIA c3 800, Voodoo Banshee (Diamond fusion) and SB32 ct3670.
Retro rig 2: Intel DX2 66, SB16 Ct1740 and Cirrus Logic VLB.

Reply 23 of 31, by jaZz_KCS

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Ti200 wrote:
Yes P3-1000 is 133fbs with paired pc133 ram. If i buy a slocket i can test all with my 600E coppermine, then i can swap the cpu. […]
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Yes P3-1000 is 133fbs with paired pc133 ram.
If i buy a slocket i can test all with my 600E coppermine, then i can swap the cpu.
Like other said i need at least p3 800 for a good boost, but seems like the 100mhz fsb versions are a bit too difficult to find.
So, if i buy another p3 1000 133fsb, it can work at 100fsb, 750mhz?

A 1000Mhz FSB133 CPU will run at 750Mhz when only catered with FSB100, yes.
The difference between 750 and 800Mhz PIII CPUs is very miniscule

Reply 24 of 31, by Ti200

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I got it.
I need more advices about sound card and ssd for the same pc.
I got another sound blaster live 5.1 since I planned to install it in my pentium 4 system under xp.
Do you think it's okay or is it better suited for the p3 550 system? Currently there is an ensoniq es1370.
Regarding the trim, I read that it would be enough to switch the SSD on a modern system at least under windows 7. Would there be tools that perform trim that works under windows 98?

| P3 550 | 384MB RAM | R9000 64MB | Creative ES1370 | SSD 120GB | DVD-ROM |
| P3 1000 | 512MB RAM | Ti4200 128MB | Creative SB0220 | HDD 20GB | DVD-ROM |
| P4 3.06 | 1.5GB RAM | 6600GT 256MB | SiS 7012 | HDD 40GB | DVD-ROM |

Reply 25 of 31, by MKT_Gundam

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Ti200 wrote:
I got it. I need more advices about sound card and ssd for the same pc. I got another sound blaster live 5.1 since I planned to […]
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I got it.
I need more advices about sound card and ssd for the same pc.
I got another sound blaster live 5.1 since I planned to install it in my pentium 4 system under xp.
Do you think it's okay or is it better suited for the p3 550 system? Currently there is an ensoniq es1370.
Regarding the trim, I read that it would be enough to switch the SSD on a modern system at least under windows 7. Would there be tools that perform trim that works under windows 98?

SB live 5.1 is more suited for Win98 only games. I would reocemmend a ISA soundcard.

Retro rig 1: Asus CUV4X, VIA c3 800, Voodoo Banshee (Diamond fusion) and SB32 ct3670.
Retro rig 2: Intel DX2 66, SB16 Ct1740 and Cirrus Logic VLB.

Reply 26 of 31, by chinny22

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The ES1370 is the same as the Soundblaster 64 PCI and about 1 step up.
In dos the Es1370 emulates SB Pro vs SB16 of the Live!
In Windows the Live will give you EAX support.

The Live was released back when Win98 was king although perfectly fine for XP.
I'd choose an Audigy or more specifically Audigy 2 zs for either OS though

Reply 27 of 31, by Ti200

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Ok tnx. I have another question for the other P3 rig.
I want to know what is the best driver for the ti4200 under windows 98. I have actually detonator 43.45 + z-occlusion on, but i want to change with 44.67.
I read opinions about detonator 30.82 are very fast for w98. So what version is the best overall?

| P3 550 | 384MB RAM | R9000 64MB | Creative ES1370 | SSD 120GB | DVD-ROM |
| P3 1000 | 512MB RAM | Ti4200 128MB | Creative SB0220 | HDD 20GB | DVD-ROM |
| P4 3.06 | 1.5GB RAM | 6600GT 256MB | SiS 7012 | HDD 40GB | DVD-ROM |

Reply 28 of 31, by Deksor

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Half life is quite inconsistent in terms of performance in my experience.

I run the game at 1024*768 on my voodoo 2 sli, and for each place running smoothly at 60fps, there is another that's a bit slow at best, or really laggy at worse (for some reasons 2D animations especially when close to the player's view are catastrophic for the performance). Overall the game is definitely playable but there are some rough spots even on the best setup for this game in late 1998.

At least that's not a pentium or something like that, this is supposed to be the minimum requirements, but really playing that game on any i586 (except maybe K6-3 ?) Is not going to be a good experience

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Reply 29 of 31, by chinny22

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I'm running Forceware 81.98 on my Slot 1 P3 1Ghz with Ti4600.
I've done no research so not saying its the best by a long shot but no issues either

Reply 30 of 31, by mrau

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so its the animations in 2d only? or are there other factors 2?
for the animiations did anyone test out if thisis bus/gpu/cpu hogging? i assume bus and cpu but if someone could test then this would probably help answer the question

Reply 31 of 31, by MKT_Gundam

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chinny22 wrote:

I'm running Forceware 81.98 on my Slot 1 P3 1Ghz with Ti4600.
I've done no research so not saying its the best by a long shot but no issues either

I tried the oldest one for fx5500 (128bit)on p3 1ghz 100fsb (5x.xx driver) + TU4vx .
On UT99 the maximum fps was 60 (640x 480 16bit high)
The same setting but using GF2mx (128bit) and the 43.45 the maximum fps was 71
Newer drivers eat a litlle perfomance of the cpu power.

Retro rig 1: Asus CUV4X, VIA c3 800, Voodoo Banshee (Diamond fusion) and SB32 ct3670.
Retro rig 2: Intel DX2 66, SB16 Ct1740 and Cirrus Logic VLB.